The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[Saint]

Hey Timbo is the Green voter’s preferred LNP leader!

That's going to cost him any chance of the leadership of the Liberals.

 

[JackOutback]

Don't Know firms as next leader of the Federal Liberal Party.


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Reminds me of the time Tony Abbott ran against an empty chair and almost lost.

 

[The Punter]

Hey Timbo is the Green voter’s preferred LNP leader!

No, the numbers say its Ley. Wilson's best number is among Greens voters.

The quoted tweet is classic Tim.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Hey Timbo is the Green voter’s preferred LNP leader!

I'm surprised more didn't say Angus Taylor, who I have the most faith in to guide the Liberals to more failure. Labor voters seemed to understand this.

 

[justlookingaround]

have been watching the ABC docuseries ‘Nemesis’ which has an episode dedicated to each Liberal PM’s term and undoing from ‘13-‘22.

And my god, no one comes out of this show worse than Scott Morrison. It is hilarious how for the first two eps basically every time it cuts to an interview with him it is an overt lie that he is still clinging onto years and years later, with the context and multiple accounts all confirming one series of events then Scotty immediately denying and talking some bullshit. Every single person on this show gives a candid account of their time in govt except Morrison. It is almost hard to believe a liar of that magnitude can exist and tbh I feel bad for his family. I don’t think it’s something he could turn off.

Then, in perfect storytelling, one of the last cuts of Turnbull’s interview is him saying that over years and years there’s just been countless times Morrison looked him in the eye and told him what he knew to be a brazen lie.

Really good watch, and it does a lot to illustrate why the Liberal Party and broader coalition just isn’t something that can work in 2025 and how their current problems aren’t new but the result of a chain of events that has been going on for decades.

 

[Saint]

have been watching the ABC docuseries ‘Nemesis’ which has an episode dedicated to each Liberal PM’s term and undoing from ‘13-‘22.

And my god, no one comes out of this show worse than Scott Morrison. It is hilarious how for the first two eps basically every time it cuts to an interview with him it is an overt lie that he is still clinging onto years and years later, with the context and multiple accounts all confirming one series of events then Scotty immediately denying and talking some bullshit. Every single person on this show gives a candid account of their time in govt except Morrison. It is almost hard to believe a liar of that magnitude can exist and tbh I feel bad for his family. I don’t think it’s something he could turn off.

Then, in perfect storytelling, one of the last cuts of Turnbull’s interview is him saying that over years and years there’s just been countless times Morrison looked him in the eye and told him what he knew to be a brazen lie.

Really good watch, and it does a lot to illustrate why the Liberal Party and broader coalition just isn’t something that can work in 2025 and how their current problems aren’t new but the result of a chain of events that has been going on for decades.

I reckon it's a politician thing, at least for big factional parties. It's like watching survivor the way they all pretend to be aligned and nek minnit they're voted off the island because everyone was lying right to their face and alliances have changed.

 

[NSWCROW]

We warned ya !!!
And did you listen ??....

AHAHAHAHAHAAAA nooooooo, course you conservative weasels didn't
****ing reap it

Maybe stop letting that ****wit abbott dictate policy

The research also found Peter Dutton was the least popular major party leader the AES had ever polled, dating back to the study's beginning four decades ago, in 1987.

Voters rate Dutton worst leader in decades and prefer Labor on economy

The results of Australia's most prominent election study show Peter Dutton was the least popular leader in four decades.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Gough]

We warned ya !!!
And did you listen ??....

AHAHAHAHAHAAAA nooooooo, course you conservative weasels didn't
****ing reap it

Maybe stop letting that ****wit abbott dictate policy

Voters rate Dutton worst leader in decades and prefer Labor on economy

The results of Australia's most prominent election study show Peter Dutton was the least popular leader in four decades.

www.abc.net.au

Same people think Andrew Hastie is the answer.

 

[Festerz]

We warned ya !!!
And did you listen ??....

AHAHAHAHAHAAAA nooooooo, course you conservative weasels didn't
****ing reap it

Maybe stop letting that ****wit abbott dictate policy

Important point from the history of that survey...

The findings show a pattern of steadily decreasing popularity of political leaders in general, although the research does not explain the cause.

"If you draw trend lines … you'll find that there's quite a significant decrease over the years," Professor McAllister said.

 

[Forward Press]

This is also incredibly damning.



The 2025 election was the first one in decades where the voters preferred Labor for economic management and taxation policy.

 

[1990crow]

This is also incredibly damning.

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The 2025 election was the first one in decades where the voters preferred Labor for economic management and taxation policy.

The Liberal party is dying.

 

[Forward Press]

The Liberal party is dying.

And the lesson they are supposedly getting out of this is that they need to work harder at being socially conservative. Having 2000+ voters now say that Labor is better at economic management - the traditional stronghold of the coalition - should ring massive alarm bells.

Australians ultimately value good governance and stable economic policy rather than identity wars and it's clearly reflected at the ballot box (and now this poll, as if we needed more confirmation). For selfish reasons, though, I hope the Libs continue to learn the wrong lesson - abandoning net zero shows that they are.

 

[Festerz]

 

[Saint]

And the lesson they are supposedly getting out of this is that they need to work harder at being socially conservative. Having 2000+ voters now say that Labor is better at economic management - the traditional stronghold of the coalition - should ring massive alarm bells.

Australians ultimately value good governance and stable economic policy rather than identity wars and it's clearly reflected at the ballot box (and now this poll, as if we needed more confirmation). For selfish reasons, though, I hope the Libs continue to learn the wrong lesson - abandoning net zero shows that they are.

This net zero thing still leaves me scratching my head.

Abandon a target that neither side has any intention of meeting just to upset 80% of voters under the age of 50?

To prove to the 40% of over 50's who believe that stuff and will always vote conservative that they're still anti-environmentalists?

I'm convinced it's because there's nobody in the whole party who is any good with numbers that they can't project demographics or extrapolate polls accurately. Instead, they're probably all just going off the Murdoch/Sky vibe which they think represents a silent majority, but that poll after poll tells them is vocal minority over 50yo and dying off without replacement.

 

[Gough]

This net zero thing still leaves me scratching my head.

Abandon a target that neither side has any intention of meeting just to upset 80% of voters under the age of 50?

To prove to the 40% of over 50's who believe that stuff and will always vote conservative that they're still anti-environmentalists?

I'm convinced it's because there's nobody in the whole party who is any good with numbers that they can't project demographics or extrapolate polls accurately. Instead, they're probably all just going off the Murdoch/Sky vibe which they think represents a silent majority, but that poll after poll tells them is vocal minority over 50yo and dying off without replacement.

They're representing the interests of branch members.

 

[Saint]

They're representing the interests of branch members.

Which is probably just a smaller and richer sample size of the over-50's Sky/Murdoch consumers skewed even further to the right.

 

[sherb]

Hey Timbo is the Green voter’s preferred LNP leader!

"Don't know" is the overwhelmingly preferred leader, they should just install that candidate.

 

[nut]

This net zero thing still leaves me scratching my head.

Abandon a target that neither side has any intention of meeting just to upset 80% of voters under the age of 50?

To prove to the 40% of over 50's who believe that stuff and will always vote conservative that they're still anti-environmentalists?

I'm convinced it's because there's nobody in the whole party who is any good with numbers that they can't project demographics or extrapolate polls accurately. Instead, they're probably all just going off the Murdoch/Sky vibe which they think represents a silent majority, but that poll after poll tells them is vocal minority over 50yo and dying off without replacement.

There are betting that energy prices are going to increase.

Meanwhile Globird is offering 4 hours of free electro a day.

 

[Saint]

There are betting that energy prices are going to increase.

Meanwhile Globird is offering 4 hours of free electro a day.

Gas prices are going to continue to increase. They've shot up in November to prices not seen since Dec 2022 (tail end of Ukraine War.)

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The Liberal party is dying.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

We warned ya !!!
And did you listen ??....

AHAHAHAHAHAAAA nooooooo, course you conservative weasels didn't
****ing reap it

Maybe stop letting that ****wit abbott dictate policy

Voters rate Dutton worst leader in decades and prefer Labor on economy

The results of Australia's most prominent election study show Peter Dutton was the least popular leader in four decades.

www.abc.net.au

And how many media outlets tried to convince us otherwise? Propagandist grubs.

 

[1990crow]

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Liberal Party HQ electing Voldemort for leadership 100 years in the future when it's 100 degrees outside and their skin has melted away.

 

[Crankyhawk]

This would be influenced by a number of "All Australian Voters" wanting the worst Liberal leader who will lose the election for them.

The "Don't Know" answer could probably be replaced with Don't Care and capture a bunch of never-Liberal voters. Or maybe they simply don't know or care, which might be worse. It's certainly a shallow pool of talent. None of these people has broad appeal.

Sussan the bush-whacking numerologist who owns apartments on the Gold Coast.
Hastie the God-Fearing ex-soldier who I'm sure is convinced there is only right and wrong and nothing in between.
I actually don't know anything about Ted O'Brien.
Angus Taylor is there to improve the budget position of the Angus Taylor Trust.
Tim Wilson is the common IPA trickle-down hypocrite who says Govt spending is waste and has spent his whole life living off Government money.

Don’t know also leads ley in coalition voters only category. But at least ley is ahead of any other named candidate

 

[Demonic Ascent]

"Don't know" is the overwhelmingly preferred leader, they should just install that candidate.

 

[justlookingaround]

In my opinion, unless the Libs somehow find a leader who is insanely popular, like too electable not to rally behind, they will splinter in the next 15 years with the right of the party merging with ON/Nats and the few moderates and centrists left over joining with the Teals.

Hastie wants to make LNP the 'big tent' party once again, but that is just incompatible to what they are at this time, which is a party that cannot form government or do literally anything without appeasing the hard right... and the fault lines between what liberal moderates and so called conservatives/right wing voters support are just too wide. You can't have a big tent if someone in the tent is holding a gun.