Have Richmond passed North and west coast

[Sphynx]

Whitlocks no good and they could have had Xavier Taylor or similar in this draft. No one would force them to take who Richmond took. They still have huge holes in their entire list they can’t be giving away good picks for mediocre ones

I don’t really get the hate.

He was clearly excellent (almost too good) at VFL level for a 1st year bean pole and got some AFL exposure.

Athletic, good skills and a good set of hands.

Should play plenty next season. Especially as he looks to have added some size.

He’s easily 150+ gamer imo.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Trading pick 3 for Whitlock was a massive blunder. Just admit it and move on

Trading pick 3 for 27 + 19... 27 + 2026 R2 > 11.

Or George Foreman for MWhitlock & Blake Thredders
... really is not the disaster it was looking like.. sure we found our Alan Bond (the baggers) - You guys should have asked for more, you really got unders. George Foreman was a likely speculative pick in the 20s when that deal was made.


How many early selected mids can we choose?

 

[nut]

How was it a blunder?

Trading your second round pick in a super draft for a player that was in an out of the dogs side was a blunder.
You could have got him for nothing this year.

Sam Gryl is a burst player … uses his speed. Something all sides will want with the new Ruck rules.

 

[Aido97]

Delusional, honestly. Your actuality is your BNF and that shows you where you're at.... ie: worse than nowhere.

Again, who cares, you probably have colour photos of your last flag.

Only one of those first year players played consistently for the whole season and that was Trainor who is a key position defence forced to play wing to get game time. Our best and fairest is heavily weighted towards playi mg more games so the likes of Lalor, Hotton, Faull, Armstrong and McAullife who all missed large periods through injury where never going to feature highly. That doesn’t mean they are no good. They are exceptional talents.

You would be worried if a first year player who played 10 games was top 10 in your best and fairest

 

[Do the Dew]

Faull is a competitive beast that was regularly playing as our number one forward alongside other first year forwards. His kicking accuracy for goal is the only thing that stopped him having an all time debut year for a key forward coming off no preseason. Had games as follows:

• 23 possessions, 7 marks and 2 goals
• 17 possessions, 7 marks and 2 goals

Armstrong again showed competitive intent and a work ethic that showed he is a 10+ year afl standard forward. Battled with injury for a large part of the year but absolutely showed more at AFL level. Had games as follows:

• 12 possessions, 5 marks and 2 goals (in a side with debutant as the only other key forward in a side that got hammered)
• 11 disposals, 6 marks and 2 goals against the reigning premiers

Simms was ok and not much more at AFL level jury out as to where he makes it but he did alright for a first year ruckman.

Whitlock had one goal in total from a junktime Joe the Goose in an otherwise 2 possession (1 kick) game when played forward (admittedly was the sub but youd expect more from a forward in a side that was trouncing the opposition). His game as defender he had 5 clangers from 10 disposals. Looks miles away from AFL level

Would add that the hit on Faull's goalkicking accuracy is overblown too. Given we're still pretty shit, a lot of his shots were from 40+ and often on angles cause we can't get good direct entries. I'd love to see a heat map of his shots at goals and the expected output.

As we improve and he starts getting more shots closer to goal, his accuracy should vastly improve. He has a very nice kicking action so no concerns there.

 

[Do the Dew]

I don't understand the North rebuild thread. As others have put it, they started rebuilding in 2019/2020, and have been hot garbage for 6 years. The chirpiness of some to claim, but hey, we're betting then other rebuilding teams in the Tigers and Eagles is absurd. I'd damn well hope my team that has been rebuilding for north (pun intended) of half a decade is better than two teams that have been at it for 12 and 24 months respectfully. The fact that North are still a laughingstock is an indictment on the club.

For this thread to be accurate, let's put up the Richmond 2030 team against North's current team for an accurate representation.

 

[Sphynx]

I don't understand the North rebuild thread. As others have put it, they started rebuilding in 2019/2020, and have been hot garbage for 6 years. The chirpiness of some to claim, but hey, we're betting then other rebuilding teams in the Tigers and Eagles is absurd. I'd damn well hope my team that has been rebuilding for north (pun intended) of half a decade is better than two teams that have been at it for 12 and 24 months respectfully. The fact that North are still a laughingstock is an indictment on the club.

For this thread to be accurate, let's put up the Richmond 2030 team against North's current team for an accurate representation.

Maybe re-read the thread title.

 

[Rich01]

Norf fans blowing their load over a first round draft pick in November.

We see this coming every year on this forum.

History suggests they brain fart a first rounder each year to be a bust or a mistake at best. Even though they’ve been given a raft of collateral to get it right.

2018 - Taryn Thomas (Port ended up getting Butters for the Polek trade to them too).

2019 - This is when they ponied up their first rounder to Melbourne who selected Pickett and gave them a pick in the 2020 dud draft.

2020- Will Phillips. Say no more.

2021 - JHF. They really made sure he hated it at the club that year. Boomer and Noble setting the agenda.

2022- Braydon George. Tried to outsmart themselves by picking an injured junior who unsurprisingly has been injured for much of his career. A punt that didn’t pay off.

2023- Duursma. Last year on the list then I think he gets a shot at another club.

2023 - All the talk now is on the great white hope in Whitlock.

With all the first rounders they’ve received they SHOULD be good next year.

Let’s see how it all pans out.

 

[Sphynx]

Norf fans blowing their load over a first round draft pick in November.

We see this coming every year on this forum.

History suggests they brain fart a first rounder each year to be a bust or a mistake at best. Even though they’ve been given a raft of collateral to get it right.

2018 - Taryn Thomas (Port ended up getting Butters for the Polek trade to them too).

2019 - This is when they ponied up their first rounder to Melbourne who selected Pickett and gave them a pick in the 2020 dud draft.

2020- Will Phillips. Say no more.

2021 - JHF. They really made sure he hated it at the club that year. Boomer and Noble setting the agenda.

2022- Braydon George. Tried to outsmart themselves by picking an injured junior who unsurprisingly has been injured for much of his career. A punt that didn’t pay off.

2023- Duursma. Last year on the list then I think he gets a shot at another club.

2023 - All the talk now is on the great white hope in Whitlock.

With all the first rounders they’ve received they SHOULD be good next year.

Let’s see how it all pans out.

Nobody is blowing their load. In fact nobody has really said anything at all. I think you will find most north fans are fairly realistic after all this time after Richmond fans have been having a constant circle jerk all year.

You are being the hysterical one.

Have a look at your board, it’s virtually the same 10 people just having a sook at media reports saying North might have limited the damage of the trade.

Of course the trade is isolation is always a shit one. It doesn’t necessarily mean it will end that way.

I think it’s largely you going “they have been kissed on the dick by Carlton”. Apparently doing a decent trade here or there is luck now when it suits the argument.

As many have said in here, the jury is out.

As for your post, Whitlock is far from required to be the great white hope, this is your narrative. We also took another first round defender the season before him that gets forgotten as well as one of the more promising young ruckman getting about.

We have developing talls, especially if you now add Trembath and Thredgold to that list.

 

[Disco Dew]

The worst thing is your stupidity and making me defend North after spending the whole season wishing them nothing but pain and suffering .

 

[SnakeMan86]

Norf fans blowing their load over a first round draft pick in November.

We see this coming every year on this forum.

History suggests they brain fart a first rounder each year to be a bust or a mistake at best. Even though they’ve been given a raft of collateral to get it right.

2018 - Taryn Thomas (Port ended up getting Butters for the Polek trade to them too).

2019 - This is when they ponied up their first rounder to Melbourne who selected Pickett and gave them a pick in the 2020 dud draft.

2020- Will Phillips. Say no more.

2021 - JHF. They really made sure he hated it at the club that year. Boomer and Noble setting the agenda.

2022- Braydon George. Tried to outsmart themselves by picking an injured junior who unsurprisingly has been injured for much of his career. A punt that didn’t pay off.

2023- Duursma. Last year on the list then I think he gets a shot at another club.

2023 - All the talk now is on the great white hope in Whitlock.

With all the first rounders they’ve received they SHOULD be good next year.

Let’s see how it all pans out.

Was i the only one then "blowing a load" after draft night last year?

We all do it, we pin our hopes that our top picks will be future brownlow medalist/Norm smith's/200+ gamers

 

[Rich01]

Nobody is blowing their load. In fact nobody has really said anything at all.

Haven’t they? Perhaps read the last three legs with posts from your cohort suggesting how good Whitlock is.

I’m not one way or the other.
Just showing the history or your picks and the rational view of where they may end up.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Trading your second round pick in a super draft for a player that was in an out of the dogs side was a blunder.
You could have got him for nothing this year.

Sam Gryl is a burst player … uses his speed. Something all sides will want with the new Ruck rules.

Agree. But what has that got to do with MWhitlock? Yeah he may have been available had the order not changed but teams have given up F2 to go up 1 spot? It comes down to who you get, not the number they were drafted (outside of the absolute freaks).

You assumed you were going to get a Robey, you turned your back on Robey for George Foreman, fair bit of pressure on George Foreman as your supporter base will come for him if Robey becomes good (which I don't want to happen cos Ess)

Only one of those first year players played consistently for the whole season and that was Trainor who is a key position defence forced to play wing to get game time. Our best and fairest is heavily weighted towards playi mg more games so the likes of Lalor, Hotton, Faull, Armstrong and McAullife who all missed large periods through injury where never going to feature highly. That doesn’t mean they are no good. They are exceptional talents.

You would be worried if a first year player who played 10 games was top 10 in your best and fairest

Yeah true. Very true, it's how Caleb Daniel came 6th or whatever in ours too.

Yay he wasn't dropped.

For us, the identification of a target/need and execution in totality is not even poor (for us). 12 months down the track and both teams would be happy, you'd call that a win/win, a good trade. If Grilly goes hot, then you won. By how much depends on Whitlock 2027-2033.

Was i the only one then "blowing a load" after draft night last year?

We all do it, we pin our hopes that our top picks will be future brownlow medalist/Norm smith's/200+ gamers

Haven’t they? Perhaps read the last three legs with posts from your cohort suggesting how good Whitlock is.

I’m not one way or the other.
Just showing the history or your picks and the rational view of where they may end up.

What are you on about? Nobody is claiming anyone who hasn't played a game to be anything, other than some of your 'rebuild complete' brethren.

All that's been said is you didn't win the trade by 25 goals like you assumed you would.

Maybe Norf knew this Draft was a shitfight. Who knows? Maybe we just got lucky.

Sammy Foreman is a 25+ selection in a normal draft, it's hardly worth the bandwidth.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Trading your second round pick in a super draft for a player that was in an out of the dogs side was a blunder.
You could have got him for nothing this year.

Sam Gryl is a burst player … uses his speed. Something all sides will want with the new Ruck rules.

Agree. But what has that got to do with MWhitlock? Yeah he may have been available had the order not changed but teams have given up F2 to go up 1 spot? It comes down to who you get, not the number they were drafted (outside of the absolute freaks).

You assumed you were going to get a Robey, you turned your back on Robey for George Foreman, fair bit of pressure on George Foreman as your supporter base will come for him if Robey becomes good (which I don't want to happen cos Ess)

Only one of those first year players played consistently for the whole season and that was Trainor who is a key position defence forced to play wing to get game time. Our best and fairest is heavily weighted towards playi mg more games so the likes of Lalor, Hotton, Faull, Armstrong and McAullife who all missed large periods through injury where never going to feature highly. That doesn’t mean they are no good. They are exceptional talents.

You would be worried if a first year player who played 10 games was top 10 in your best and fairest

Yeah true. Very true, it's how Caleb Daniel came 6th or whatever in ours too.

Yay he wasn't dropped.

For us, the identification of a target/need and execution in totality is not even poor (for us). 12 months down the track and both teams would be happy, you'd call that a win/win, a good trade. If Grilly goes hot, then you won. By how much depends on Whitlock 2027-2033.

Was i the only one then "blowing a load" after draft night last year?

We all do it, we pin our hopes that our top picks will be future brownlow medalist/Norm smith's/200+ gamers

We have so many Rd 1&2 picks, it's not as exciting for us as it will be for you.

 

[nut]

Agree. But what has that got to do with MWhitlock? Yeah he may have been available had the order not changed but teams have given up F2 to go up 1 spot? It comes down to who you get, not the number they were drafted (outside of the absolute freaks).

You assumed you were going to get a Robey, you turned your back on Robey for George Foreman, fair bit of pressure on George Foreman as your supporter base will come for him if Robey becomes good (which I don't want to happen cos Ess)

Yeah true. Very true, it's how Caleb Daniel came 6th or whatever in ours too.

Yay he wasn't dropped.

For us, the identification of a target/need and execution in totality is not even poor (for us). 12 months down the track and both teams would be happy, you'd call that a win/win, a good trade. If Grilly goes hot, then you won. By how much depends on Whitlock 2027-2033.

We have so many Rd 1&2 picks, it's not as exciting for us as it will be for you.

It’s got nothing to do with Whitlock because you would have got him with your own second rounder… and everything to do with bringing in Caleb Daniel’s for a second round pick… in a super draft.

So it’s Caleb Danial’s v Sam Gryl or any player after him
in the 2025 draft.

 

[Sphynx]

Trading your second round pick in a super draft for a player that was in an out of the dogs side was a blunder.
You could have got him for nothing this year.

Sam Gryl is a burst player … uses his speed. Something all sides will want with the new Ruck rules.

Last year was never a super draft and nothing I saw last year suggests it is anything close to a super draft.

It just had a lot of very deep KPP prospects and second rounder types.

It looks exactly as it was described, a relatively weaker top end with a relatively low ceiling, just very very deep with an abnormal number of best 22 types through the second and third rounds

That description looks spot on.

 

[Chip Scab1]

It’s got nothing to do with Whitlock because you would have got him with your own second rounder… and everything to do with bringing in Caleb Daniel’s for a second round pick… in a super draft.

So it’s Caleb Danial’s v Sam Gryl or any player after him
in the 2025 draft.

Ohh so predictable. Yes, on paper we could have...

We threw you a bone and this is the thanks we get. Unbelievable.

 

[Rich01]

Agree. But what has that got to do with MWhitlock? Yeah he may have been available had the order not changed but teams have given up F2 to go up 1 spot? It comes down to who you get, not the number they were drafted (outside of the absolute freaks).

You assumed you were going to get a Robey, you turned your back on Robey for George Foreman, fair bit of pressure on George Foreman as your supporter base will come for him if Robey becomes good (which I don't want to happen cos Ess)

Yeah true. Very true, it's how Caleb Daniel came 6th or whatever in ours too.

Yay he wasn't dropped.

For us, the identification of a target/need and execution in totality is not even poor (for us). 12 months down the track and both teams would be happy, you'd call that a win/win, a good trade. If Grilly goes hot, then you won. By how much depends on Whitlock 2027-2033.



What are you on about? Nobody is claiming anyone who hasn't played a game to be anything, other than some of your 'rebuild complete' brethren.

All that's been said is you didn't win the trade by 25 goals like you assumed you would.

Maybe Norf knew this Draft was a shitfight. Who knows? Maybe we just got lucky.

Sammy Foreman is a 25+ selection in a normal draft, it's hardly worth the bandwidth.

You’re right. With how Norf have burnt first rounders in the last 7 years it might have been a blessing in disguise disguise.

 

[nut]

Ohh so predictable. Yes, on paper we could have...

We threw you a bone and this is the thanks we get. Unbelievable.

Huh? What’s so predictable??? I’m just stating what happened… I don’t have a problem with north trading back in and getting Whitlock… he looks ok… but essentially Caleb Daniel’s + a second rounder cost you a 2025 first round pick..

Clearly Daniel’s was rated extremely high by Norths list management.

 

[Sphynx]

You’re right. With how Norf have burnt first rounders in the last 7 years it might have been a blessing in disguise disguise.

Explain.

Claiming Tarryn Thomas as a “burnt” bad draft pick is as about as revisionist as you can get, it’d be like saying the same to Dogs fans about JUH.

You (again) tried to criticize North for taking Brayden George, what was your wording? “Tried to outsmart themselves” which was a pick that was universally lauded at the time. He did another ACL and has had a shoulder reco. It happens.

Is that bad drafting?

If it is, we may as well start firing up the Smillie criticism, right?

 

[Rich01]

Explain.

Claiming Tarryn Thomas as a “burnt” bad draft pick is as about as revisionist as you can get, it’d be like saying the same to Dogs fans about JUH.

I already have with a post on this page.
Just scroll up.

 

[nut]

Explain.

Claiming Tarryn Thomas as a “burnt” bad draft pick is as about as revisionist as you can get, it’d be like saying the same to Dogs fans about JUH.

Character profiling is as important as talent these days..

 

[Sphynx]

Character profiling is as important as talent these days..

Oh right, I’m sure that’s what you were getting at.

The club had Tarryn from when he was 16, just like the Dogs had JUH prior to the draft, some kids just lose their way at that age, even after a hell of a lot of effort.

 

[Sphynx]

I already have with a post on this page.
Just scroll up.

Yes and I quoted parts of it.

I’d like you to explain some of it, preferably with something other than biased, flawed, logic.

Claiming the likes of JHF, Thomas and George as massive drafting errors is just pure stupidity. Something not foreign to the majority of your posts tbh.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Character profiling is as important as talent these days..

He wasn't a mistake, we were gifted him... had to pay overs, he did let us down however I can't imagine too many clubs would have turned down that opportunity.

The lad could play. Was likely a 20+1 player.