The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[Gough]

I wonder if history will look at the Abbott era Australia as us being one of the first countries to embrace the twenty first century version of right wing populism and which might also explain our wariness towards it now.

 

[nut]

I think history will look back and see how dumb the LNP are

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[Grin]

I think history will look back and see how dumb the LNP are

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Ha ha. Classic
Leyesque

 

[Northalives]

True, our system of compulsory preferential voting and an independent AEC should hold firm against them ever getting a much bigger slice of the voter pie.

But those way further to the right of Appalling Hanson, namely the Nazis, seem to be riding a wave of confidence right now.

And it's not really in their DNA to play by the rules that they know everyone else has to play by.

Neo-Nazis’ chilling threats as government investigates homeschooling network

A female MP has reported threats as Australia’s Nazis bristle at government probes into their secretive homeschooling networks.

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Yep, I agree completely but the more the Nazis are on that wave, the more they are turning people off and sooner or later, Hanson and her lot of shit heads will not be able to shake their association with them off I reckon and that will truly put them on the margins of politics.

 

[Northalives]

Just needs someone who is good at it to get a foothold.

Please feel free to nominate someone brother.

In Australia, it's not the charisma, so to speak, it's the message and the vast majority of the everyday Australian citizens won't have a bar of it.

They already have a foothold, they've had it for years with Hanson and the ones now pissing off from the Liberal and National Party to join her band of knuckle draggers but in my view, they have reached saturation point. They will persist but they will be an irritation, not a dumb American style movement able to "convert" citizens in this country. We are nowhere near as dumb as Americans and our education system is such that extremists clap trap isn't swallowed by the vast majority.

You need to be quite stupid to follow that shit and/or conditioned in the way of racism and bigotry. Look at the morons that march in those Reclaim Australia/March for Australia protest marches. Most of 'em are older people with an ingrained racist psyche passed down through generations and the younger ones are the next generation that it has been passed down to.

Unfortunately for that type, the old c**** are falling off the perch and the younger ones are tiny in numbers in comparison to what you would have seen 50 years ago.

There will always be far right supremacists and religious fanatics in this country as there are in other countries. Our saving grace and our protection from that extremism is our education, health and welfare system and compulsory voting.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yep, I agree completely but the more the Nazis are on that wave, the more they are turning people off and sooner or later, Hanson and her lot of shit heads will not be able to shake their association with them off I reckon and that will truly put them on the margins of politics.

Dennis Glover would say parliamentarians like Hanson (who, for all her dismaying characteristics, essentially plays by the rules) are not the ones we have to worry about.

The seven lessons of Nazi history

Occasionally something happens that turns our collective minds to history. That happened this week when Nazis dominated Australian headlines for possibly the first time since the end of World War II. Australia’s Nazis are rattling the cage, trying to transform themselves from a secretive...

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[kalex6251]

I wonder if history will look at the Abbott era Australia as us being one of the first countries to embrace the twenty first century version of right wing populism and which might also explain our wariness towards it now.

on raph epsteins show last week - steve price called abbotts prime ministership a 'reformist' govt

..........

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Well at least there’s one Lib who still operates in the real world.

Liberal senator says repeated use of term ‘mass migration’ is inaccurate and ‘extremely unhelpful’

Andrew McLachlan has condemned the ‘inflammatory and irresponsible’ language being used in the Coalition’s debate over immigration levels

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“Mass migration” is as woefully stupid a term as the RWFWs’ previous cudgel phrase, “open borders”, which they used relentlessly even though we have never had borders that are remotely open.

 

[The Punter]

Well at least there’s one Lib who still operates in the real world.

Liberal senator says repeated use of term ‘mass migration’ is inaccurate and ‘extremely unhelpful’

Andrew McLachlan has condemned the ‘inflammatory and irresponsible’ language being used in the Coalition’s debate over immigration levels

www.theguardian.com

“Mass migration” is as woefully stupid a term as the RWFWs’ previous cudgel phrase, “open borders”, which they used relentlessly even though we have never had borders that are remotely open.

McLachlan "identifies" as a conservative. He's right too. It's just what passes these days for a conservative that has changed.

 

[Saint]

McLachlan "identifies" as a conservative. He's right too. It's just what passes these days for a conservative that has changed.

A contest to be the most inflammatory seems to be the battle going on right now between PHON and the LNP.

The racists used to have a place in the Coalition in the 80's. You could just be openly racist back then and both sides of politics were. But now the racists are looking for a political party to accept them and they've found PHON.

 

[schneebly111]

The racists used to have a place in the Coalition in the 80's. You could just be openly racist back then and both sides of politics were.

I would say it’s worse now. The Fraser government and at least the opposition of Hewson didn’t backtrack on the switch from the WAP to multiculturalism.

 

[Saint]

I would say it’s worse now. The Fraser government and at least the opposition of Hewson didn’t backtrack on the switch from the WAP to multiculturalism.

I would guess the level of racism in the Liberal Party membership is probably around the same, but they're better at hiding it and most of the non-racists have left the party. The most outspoken ones have gone to PHON.

 

[Not Important]

on raph epsteins show last week - steve price called abbotts prime ministership a 'reformist' govt

..........

only the rwnjs take any notice of the poison dwarf.

 

[Chief]

Please feel free to nominate someone brother.

That's the thing about the future. If the troglodyte fash looking for power knew how to get it in the present context, they'd have it.

Just needs someone who is good at it (see Farage in the UK). Hanson is the closest but her mob are very low rent.

 

[Northalives]

That's the thing about the future. If the troglodyte fash looking for power knew how to get it in the present context, they'd have it.

Just needs someone who is good at it (see Farage in the UK). Hanson is the closest but her mob are very low rent.

The English are notoriously racist and American's are notoriously dumb - both don't have compulsory voting.

Hanson's been at it for donkey's years and she's peaked. The morons that are leaving the Liberal Party and joining her, won't will do nothing for her. The Liberals will be liquidated because of their defection.

Maybe the far right could find a safe seat for that Price thing but she's nailed her colours to the MAGA mast.

I don't know who they could put forward but as you say, "That's the thing about the future".

I feel that the split of the right and the far right has doomed the Libs and solidified the far right/tin hat brigade and their numbers are basically set in concrete.

As much as I've lost confidence in the Australian citizenry, I really can't see anyone leading a MAGA style "revolution in Australia.

 

[Vindicater]

McLachlan "identifies" as a conservative. He's right too. It's just what passes these days for a conservative that has changed.

This is bang on.

I look to my father as the model of what I think a true conservative is. He did not vote coalition for the first time ever last year. (Traditional country/nationals voter then liberal once he moved to the city)

He told me he scratched his vote. (Still couldn't bring himself to vote labor)

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

This is bang on.

I look to my father as the model of what I think a true conservative is. He did not vote coalition for the first time ever last year. (Traditional country/nationals voter then liberal once he moved to the city)

He told me he scratched his vote. (Still couldn't bring himself to vote labor)

I voted Lib a couple of times back in the day (pre-Howard PM). I think it was my innate conservatism that led me to supporting the Greens.

 

[jannissary]

Wait until China goes past the USA on AI - then the USA will truly collapse - the AI bubble is about the only thing holding it all together in the USA.

bubble is the absolute right way of putting it, it's ridiculous how insular and ****ed it all is

 

[QuietB]

bubble is the absolute right way of putting it, it's ridiculous how insular and ****ed it all is

I watched a short video on it the other day. The crux of the video was that AI costs $8T of investment to set up - with the kicker that it is all obsolete in about 5 years and needs to be replaced again.

$8T investment requires $800B a year just to pay the interest.

No company in history has made $800B a year. No company has come close.

And the people you need to extract this money out of are under 50 and you have put them into endless austerity.

Economically it does not add up.

Yet this Ponzi scheme is currently being financed by American tax payers and is currently responsible a huge percentage of economic growth in the USA - who incidentally has overall economic growth of SFA.

It is going to be ugly but half a dozen tech bros will make out like bandits.

Theil has already sold most of his stake.

 

[Festerz]

State Liberal leaders are an endangered species. And today sees another one gone - South Australian Liberal Leader Vincent Tarzia - a little more than a year after replacing disgraced MP and convicted drug trafficker David Speirs

SA Opposition Leader Vincent Tarzia says he is 'not bitter' as he steps down from leadership

South Australian Liberal leader Vincent Tarzia will step down from the leadership, just three months out from the next state election. He told a press conference he made the decision on Friday morning.

www.abc.net.au

Tarzia uses the old old- "I'm stepping down to spend some more time with my family" - line.

A decision that was reached probably an hour or two after internal polling tabled at the party meeting on Monday showed he would most likely lose his seat at the next election anyway. A view backed by Antony Green in his SA election blog today:

"Given Hartley has a margin of only 3.6%, it is hard to see how Tarzia can retain his seat at the state election in March given polls are predicting a double-digit swing to Labor."

The SA Labor Party won the won the 2022 election with 54.6% of the two-party preferred vote, ending the one term Liberal government of Premier Steven Marshall and the latest opinion polls are predicting another double digit swing to the Labor Government which would come close to wiping out the Liberal Party in metropolitcan seats.

Tarzia's resignation doesn't give his likely replacement Ashton Hurn much time to prepare for the March election but that's probably a good thing. She comes in as a clean skin, is well spoken and the SA Libs have a bucket load of cash to spend on the next election after Pamela Wall (wife of a deceased SA businessman) donated $5m to the party in June this year - the biggest single donation in the party's history and just days before the SA Govt's new political donations legislation became law on 1 July. How convenient.

SA’s world leading political donations ban now in force​

 

[Grin]

State Liberal leaders are an endangered species. And today sees another one gone - South Australian Liberal Leader Vincent Tarzia - a little more than a year after replacing disgraced MP and convicted drug trafficker David Speirs

SA Opposition Leader Vincent Tarzia says he is 'not bitter' as he steps down from leadership

South Australian Liberal leader Vincent Tarzia will step down from the leadership, just three months out from the next state election. He told a press conference he made the decision on Friday morning.

www.abc.net.au

Tarzia uses the old old- "I'm stepping down to spend some more time with my family" - line.

A decision that was reached probably an hour or two after internal polling tabled at the party meeting on Monday showed he would most likely lose his seat at the next election anyway. A view backed by Antony Green in his SA election blog today:

"Given Hartley has a margin of only 3.6%, it is hard to see how Tarzia can retain his seat at the state election in March given polls are predicting a double-digit swing to Labor."

The SA Labor Party won the won the 2022 election with 54.6% of the two-party preferred vote, ending the one term Liberal government of Premier Steven Marshall and the latest opinion polls are predicting another double digit swing to the Labor Government which would come close to wiping out the Liberal Party in metropolitcan seats.

Tarzia's resignation doesn't give his likely replacement Ashton Hurn much time to prepare for the March election but that's probably a good thing. She comes in as a clean skin, is well spoken and the SA Libs have a bucket load of cash to spend on the next election after Pamela Wall (wife of a deceased SA businessman) donated $5m to the party in June this year - the biggest single donation in the party's history and just days before the SA Govt's new political donations legislation became law on 1 July. How convenient.

SA’s world leading political donations ban now in force​

Liberal party office bearers will divert most of that $5m to their own pockets. Personal greed over the collective interest has always been the heart and soul of the Liberal party.

 

[Gough]

With Antic and Pasin playing their stupid dress ups and sniffing each other's farts in the background it doesn't really matter who's leading the party.