Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[amazingjoshy]

Just a small sample size?

There'd be a royal commission if it were the other way round

 

[ReturningHawk]

Hawks getting the lift home tonight.

Vic teams now +53 free kicks up in just 9 games.

But nah, nothing to see here.

This is the worst conspiracy theory going around. How does it work? Too many victorian umpires?

Also you numbskulls have to make up your minds. Is it East Coast bias or Vic bias? Can’t have it both ways. I’m not going to listen to you whingeing about the northern academies and then about how northern teams don’t get free kicks.

 

[amazingjoshy]

This is the worst conspiracy theory going around. How does it work? Too many victorian umpires?

Also you numbskulls have to make up your minds. Is it East Coast bias or Vic bias? Can’t have it both ways. I’m not going to listen to you whingeing about the northern academies and then about how northern teams don’t get free kicks.

Its Vic bias

Its literally in the title of the thread youre posting in

 

[SC_Power]

This is the worst conspiracy theory going around. How does it work? Too many victorian umpires?

Also you numbskulls have to make up your minds. Is it East Coast bias or Vic bias? Can’t have it both ways. I’m not going to listen to you whingeing about the northern academies and then about how northern teams don’t get free kicks.

Yeah, definitely a conspiracy theory. Completely agree with you.

When the entire data set was massively slanted in the same way last season, it was just selective statistics.
Same this season. Nothing to see, free kicks have no effect on game momentum or results at all.

If a player gets 6 marks (equivalent to 6 free kicks in game play) average more than his opponent rather than 6 marks less, it has no relevance to their performance. None. All conspiracy and needless hyperbole of an insignificant statistic.

When AFL media try to bang on about home town umpiring in WA or SA that doesn’t exist, but are completely oblivious to the actual facts in front of them, it’s just an unimportant oversight, nothing more, no relevance.

 

[sr36]

non-Geelong supporter here and I can tell you it is no gift to Geelong to play HOME games at the MCG, they have consistently stated they'd prefer to play ALL HOME GAMES in Geelong, including finals. So just explain why it is a gift?

They've got it up to 10 of 11 home games at KP. 4 of there away games at the G is more than the other non G tenants play.

 

[Del233027]

For clarity for those that can’t read maps, Victoria is NOT on the east coast! Qld and NSW are on the east coast. Victoria is on the eastern side of the continent, but has no east facing coast.

Where's Orbost?

 

[Del233027]

This is the worst conspiracy theory going around. How does it work? Too many victorian umpires?

Also you numbskulls have to make up your minds. Is it East Coast bias or Vic bias? Can’t have it both ways. I’m not going to listen to you whingeing about the northern academies and then about how northern teams don’t get free kicks.

27-16 tonight, how many 50 50 frees went the hawks? The discrepancy is such a tight game is poor.

 

[Del233027]

They've got it up to 10 of 11 home games at KP. 4 of there away games at the G is more than the other non G tenants play.

You do understand where geelong is? Its not part of melbourne

 

[bzparkes]

Yeah, definitely a conspiracy theory. Completely agree with you.

When the entire data set was massively slanted in the same way last season, it was just selective statistics.
Same this season. Nothing to see, free kicks have no effect on game momentum or results at all.

If a player gets 6 marks (equivalent to a free kick in game play) average more than his opponent rather than 6 marks less, it has no relevance to their performance. None. All conspiracy and needless hyperbole of an insignificant statistic.

When AFL media try to bang on about home town umpiring in WA or SA that doesn’t exist, but are completely oblivious to the actual facts in front of them, it’s just an unimportant oversight, nothing more, no relevance.

Important to note that when WCE got a positive fk ratio at home, the Vics demanded an investigation for years and mentioned it in every piece of media related to WCE games.

 

[sr36]

You do understand where geelong is? Its not part of melbourne

Yes. I don't understand the question. Freo aren't from Melbourne either and don't play 4 away games at the G.

I think Cats have a good deal

Ignoring gather round. 10 games at a ground with a big advantage. 5 games at the Grand Final venue where they play so often that any disadvantage is very minor. And 7 genuine disadvantage games. Would you change it?

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Hawks getting the lift home tonight.

Vic teams now +53 free kicks up in just 9 games.

But nah, nothing to see here.

All of those free kicks were crisis actors.

 

[ReturningHawk]

27-16 tonight, how many 50 50 frees went the hawks? The discrepancy is such a tight game is poor.

Was it really a tight game? 29 scoring shots to 17.

 

[ReturningHawk]

Yeah, definitely a conspiracy theory. Completely agree with you.

When the entire data set was massively slanted in the same way last season, it was just selective statistics.
Same this season. Nothing to see, free kicks have no effect on game momentum or results at all.

If a player gets 6 marks (equivalent to 6 free kicks in game play) average more than his opponent rather than 6 marks less, it has no relevance to their performance. None. All conspiracy and needless hyperbole of an insignificant statistic.

When AFL media try to bang on about home town umpiring in WA or SA that doesn’t exist, but are completely oblivious to the actual facts in front of them, it’s just an unimportant oversight, nothing more, no relevance.

What is this conspiracy where the umpires reward VIC teams, how does it work and what should we do about it?

 

[bloodsbigot]

Umps were scared to make the crowd upset tonight.

 

[ReturningHawk]

Umps were scared to make the crowd upset tonight.

Whatever. You got your non-existent mark and soft-serve 50m in the last. Go cry into your academy

 

[Freshwater]

Where's Orbost?

Orbost is in far eastern Victoria. Not far from the coastline, that’s the south facing coastline there in eastern Victoria. Further on at the NSW/Victoria border is also where the geographical change is too, from southern coastline to eastern, easy.

 

[SC_Power]

What is this conspiracy where the umpires reward VIC teams, how does it work and what should we do about it?

It doesn’t exist apparently, regardless of the statistics.

 

[ReturningHawk]

It doesn’t exist apparently, regardless of the statistics.

The statistics… like free kick differential since 2000? They certainly confirm that it doesn’t exist. Or have the corrupt VFL been doctoring those stats as well?

 

[Cyclops]

Umpiring is a whole other thing to #VICBIAS. Generally home sides (and/or the side with the bigger crowd) can intimidate/influence the umps. I assume the Hawk crowd got in the umps ears?

Hawks play a very annoying style, really harangue the umps more than most sides. It can backfire, as can crowd intimidation (sometimes the umps decide to show some spine).

There are specific players who for whatever reason (style of play, too handsome?) cannot buy a free. Two ex Pies figure highly here. Mason Cox was regularly scragged and got NOTHING. Brodie Grundy is regularly mauled, held, wrestled with and cannot buy a free. I assumed that would change going to the love child of all love children, but no, he is still a free hit. is it the pony tail? A very unfairly treated player.

The main thing I see is "sides that are supposed to win" getting play on decisions. North has been punished by the umps playing us, and while its usually salt in the wounds there have been two games where I honestly believe the sheer weight of bad decisions (especially missed decisions) got us 4 points.

Different footy styles play a role. The AFL has accepted that SA style "rather rapid handballs" (=throwing) is now legit. Gys like Pendles can do an "over the head" handball which at least loks like a genuine 20th centry victorian handball, but lesser players just toss the ball like a boundary umpire and it is let go. Scoops out of the pack, little gridiron style handoffs, all would have been called in the past. As a Vic this disgusts me.

That said, there's "Victorian' style decisions which probably offend WA or SA people, who have their own excellent footy traditions. I think the Vic game has always been more thuggish, and some chopping of arms in marking duels, and some wrestling at ruck contests seems normal to us.

The poor umps get told week by week to focus on some weird new interpretation. old farts remember the "good old days" (which weren't good but there were less umps so the decisions were more consistent). It's possible these days for both sides to feel aggrieved and understandably so, eg Collingwood vs St Kilda earlier this year. It wasn't great, but I believe the umps are doing their best: its the League setting them up to fail.

I sympathise with Port or Freo people, their fate is uninteresting to the league so they will never get rule changes that suit them. They get support at home but will get skinned away. They know their footy, their state traditions are strong, but they face a lot of alien interpretations, on top of the very variable interpretations the league constantly imposes.

I can see why it feels like cheating, Pies feel like we're being cheated sometimes and we benefit more than most (aside from the 4 love children).

Orbost is in far eastern Victoria. Not far from the coastline, that’s the south facing coastline there in eastern Victoria. Further on at the NSW/Victoria border is also where the geographical change is too, from southern coastline to eastern, easy.

What about Gabo island? Geelong is on the east side of Port Phillip Bay too #NoEastCoastVics BTFO

 

[SC_Power]

The statistics… like free kick differential since 2000? They certainly confirm that it doesn’t exist. Or have the corrupt VFL been doctoring those stats as well?

Interesting you pick a single point of time with no stats presented.

Just looking at the stats for the full history of all non Vic clubs, only ONE of the eight non Vic clubs have a positive free kick count. One of 8. That’s pretty impressive for a fair unbiased competition.

Above 100% ratio: Bulldogs, West Coast, Collingwood, St Kilda, Geelong, Essendon
100%: Sydney, Port Adelaide
Less then 100%: the rest (Melbourne Richmond and Hawthorn in the bottom 4, just for full disclosure)

But no doubt to many it’s all a theory and like most theories, they’re not real and I’m sure there was a single event in the next few weeks which will act as proof that there’s no trend.

 

[SC_Power]

Umpiring is a whole other thing to #VICBIAS. Generally home sides (and/or the side with the bigger crowd) can intimidate/influence the umps. I assume the Hawk crowd got in the umps ears?

Hawks play a very annoying style, really harangue the umps more than most sides. It can backfire, as can crowd intimidation (sometimes the umps decide to show some spine).

There are specific players who for whatever reason (style of play, too handsome?) cannot buy a free. Two ex Pies figure highly here. Mason Cox was regularly scragged and got NOTHING. Brodie Grundy is regularly mauled, held, wrestled with and cannot buy a free. I assumed that would change going to the love child of all love children, but no, he is still a free hit. is it the pony tail? A very unfairly treated player.

The main thing I see is "sides that are supposed to win" getting play on decisions. North has been punished by the umps playing us, and while its usually salt in the wounds there have been two games where I honestly believe the sheer weight of bad decisions (especially missed decisions) got us 4 points.

Different footy styles play a role. The AFL has accepted that SA style "rather rapid handballs" (=throwing) is now legit. Gys like Pendles can do an "over the head" handball which at least loks like a genuine 20th centry victorian handball, but lesser players just toss the ball like a boundary umpire and it is let go. Scoops out of the pack, little gridiron style handoffs, all would have been called in the past. As a Vic this disgusts me.

That said, there's "Victorian' style decisions which probably offend WA or SA people, who have their own excellent footy traditions. I think the Vic game has always been more thuggish, and some chopping of arms in marking duels, and some wrestling at ruck contests seems normal to us.

The poor umps get told week by week to focus on some weird new interpretation. old farts remember the "good old days" (which weren't good but there were less umps so the decisions were more consistent). It's possible these days for both sides to feel aggrieved and understandably so, eg Collingwood vs St Kilda earlier this year. It wasn't great, but I believe the umps are doing their best: its the League setting them up to fail.

I sympathise with Port or Freo people, their fate is uninteresting to the league so they will never get rule changes that suit them. They get support at home but will get skinned away. They know their footy, their state traditions are strong, but they face a lot of alien interpretations, on top of the very variable interpretations the league constantly imposes.

I can see why it feels like cheating, Pies feel like we're being cheated sometimes and we benefit more than most (aside from the 4 love children).


What about Gabo island? Geelong is on the east side of Port Phillip Bay too #NoEastCoastVics BTFO

A very good post, our individual histories sculpt interpretation of the present.

The issue of course is the AFL is meant to be the “custodian of the game” not just running a competition, they should be looking to weave the national interpretations into a whole that reflects the Australian sport, not one group.

And on the scales of how AFL “impartial” decisions seem to pan out, in the main they inevitably appear to be skewed toward Victorian teams. Individual events don’t cancel out the trend much as people think they do.

 

[sr36]

The statistics… like free kick differential since 2000? They certainly confirm that it doesn’t exist. Or have the corrupt VFL been doctoring those stats as well?

I wouldn't bother.

Last year, when the more free kicks measurement swung away from the vic teams, the poster viewed it as incredibly suspicious evidence supporting the conspiracy. He'd exposed the blatant cheating and thus the AFL realised that someone was on to them and thus they had to hide their cheating by giving Non-Vic teams more free kicks in a game more often ...

 

[Mofra]

Umps were scared to make the crowd upset tonight.

That Ginnivan non call late on the game was a howler, holding the ball every day of the week.

Swans 5 day break and travelling was really poor scheduling.

 

[jannissary]

Hawks play a very annoying style, really harangue the umps more than most sides. It can backfire, as can crowd intimidation (sometimes the umps decide to show some spine).

From attending a lot of Collingwood games, the fans of them tend to be even more aggressive and intimidating.

WB vs. Collingwood at the start of 2025 comes to mind, same as the Prelim last year.

 

[Cyclops]

From attending a lot of Collingwood games, the fans of them tend to be even more aggressive and intimidating.

WB vs. Collingwood at the start of 2025 comes to mind, same as the Prelim last year.

Oh the Collingwood crowd is practically tactical in pressuring the umps, we howl like a Sourh Australian crowd (except louder) with the cunning of a Hawthorn player.