Communist Undertones in our flawed voting system.

[Pessimistic]

The US aren’t big government the states there bleat state rights crap at the drop of a hat and the people are very “**** off feds”
Wouldn’t want my local council increasing in size unless it was in the 2 tier system I proposed (that said it is the current biggest in population in Victoria- Hume).
If we relied on states more the small population states would struggle (I’m thinking SA and TAS particularly)

Currently the state governments are more connected to the community than feds. It’s not that they are remote, more that they are corrupt

 

[Crankyhawk]

4 trillion isn’t large?

Do you mean million?
Was meaning in terms of need for infrastructure (given physical size) vs population in terms of SA.

 

[pazza]

Switzerland has a concept that we should consider adopting.

Our elections are becoming more and more US like with a “presidential” campaign. It started with Rudd but this concept has reduced politics to personality over policy. No wonder politics has been in the toilet for 12 years.

Getting rid a the PM position, as we have it, is a must.

Actually the first Presidential style campaign was Hewson in 1993. Even had American speechwriters.

 

[pazza]

The tossers that push the how to vote cards are the scum of the earth.

They are party volunteers. Most people ignore them anyway.

 

[Kram]

What sort of loser gives up their Saturday morning to promote a major political party for free? Seriously get a life..

 

[Power Raid]

Do you mean million?
Was meaning in terms of need for infrastructure (given physical size) vs population in terms of SA.

Sorry, I was referring to the US federal budget which is 4 trillion.

The failure of tassie and SA is due to federal govt subsidies, which support bad decisions and bad policy.

They’d be thriving states, especially SA if they were weened off the tit.

 

[Pessimistic]

What sort of loser gives up their Saturday morning to promote a major political party for free? Seriously get a life..

My 64,000 posts calling out your 52,000

 

[Power Raid]

Actually the first Presidential style campaign was Hewson in 1993. Even had American speechwriters.

The first was actually Gough Whitlam.

For the record, I think we dodged a massive bullet with Hewson and a massive shame we didn’t have Keating earlier and for longer.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Communist?

 

[AM]

We are told we live in a fair and equal society that is of a democratic nature yet our own voting system is akin to those with communist ties.
Firstly we are made to clear our schedules whether it’s with family or work to go somewhere to stand in line for sometimes hours to vote for someone who does not actually represent us but a party that had put who they wanted forth.

Democracy is not alive in our voting system atm.

Um! Pre-poll vote!

And I've never stood in line for hours.

Conflating it with communism. lol

 

[pazza]

What sort of loser gives up their Saturday morning to promote a major political party for free? Seriously get a life..

Possibly the same people who are on call in volunteer fire brigades/SES and for organisations like the Salvos. People like to think they are making a difference.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Um! Pre-poll vote!

And I've never stood in line for hours.

Conflating it with communism. lol

Is it the compulsory thing he's referring to as communist undertones?

Or just the long lines? Which aren't long at all. Or nearly as long as in some parts of the US. Which isn't communist.

Just another confusing post.

 

[Number37]

OP's confused.

Everyone has to vote =/= communism.
Everyone has to vote =

 

[ShanDog]

I want to point out how stupid the idea of communist undertones in our electoral system is, but it's that bad an idea I just don't know where to start or where it could possibly finish.

I'll just go with yeah, nah.

 

[kranky al]

I will be on holiday in yugostania on xx date gib me postel vote okthx bye

Duh

 

[Bomberboyokay]

vote for someone who does not actually represent us but a party that had put who they wanted forth.

I'm not sure what you're sooking about here. Parties pick candidates that support the party's policies? So?

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

We are told we live in a fair and equal society that is of a democratic nature yet our own voting system is akin to those with communist ties.
Firstly we are made to clear our schedules whether it’s with family or work to go somewhere to stand in line for sometimes hours to vote for someone who does not actually represent us but a party that had put who they wanted forth.

Democracy is not alive in our voting system atm.

Lining up is literal communism.

****ing galaxy brain take right here.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

We have one of the better voting systems, not without its flaws. And its good to question the system, better still to put forward fixes or alternatives to any problems.
But the "communism" part is like Bronwyn Bishop calling everything except parliamentary pensions "socialist".

 

[Taylor]

As much as I think it would produce a more invested political representation if we had a service to the nation required before being given the right to decide what happens to the nation, having compulsory turning up is the best possible way of evening out the extreme positions.

 

[Generalissimo]

As much as I think it would produce a more invested political representation if we had a service to the nation required before being given the right to decide what happens to the nation, having compulsory turning up is the best possible way of evening out the extreme positions.

If we made national service a requirement to being granted voting rights, the first thing that'd happen is that the authoritarian right wing parties would try and find some pretext for blocking certain classes of people from doing it.

 

[Taylor]

If we made national service a requirement to being granted voting rights, the first thing that'd happen is that the authoritarian right wing parties would try and find some pretext for blocking certain classes of people from doing it.

I agree. It would need to be a constitutional change that clearly identified what constituted a valid term of service and guaranteed all rights to all residents with only the right to vote additional to citizens.

Maybe it could be a requirement for public service work, or entering politics to be a citizen.

Once the basic rights of the people are secured in the constitution then a voting group made up of those who have put in work to build the nation can continue doing so on a national level.

It would be interesting to have the community discussion about what would constitute service above that of a resident fitting the description of citizen affording them the right to vote. I don't think military service should be the only avenue, I don't think paying your taxes all your life should be an avenue at all.

It gets passed down by your parents like a title that has no value currently and that's fine.

 

[Generalissimo]

And there'd need to be provision for people prevented from serving through serious illness or disability. I can't see why a guy paralyzed in a work accident should be denied the vote because he can't plant trees or serve in the military.

 

[its free real estate]

Abolish voting completely IMO

 

[Taylor]

And there'd need to be provision for people prevented from serving through serious illness or disability. I can't see why a guy paralyzed in a work accident should be denied the vote because he can't plant trees or serve in the military.

Physical activity isn't the only thing a nation needs.

I expect the government would sponsor tertiary education in areas they need, as long as you worked for them for a period after and that would be your service.

Engineers, trades, project managers, analysis etc.

 

[Upgrayedd]

It's communist to vote now?