Review Round 2, 2019 vs Carlton

[bomberclifford]

Relevance??

 

[LukeSA]

Defender's fingers bent back hitting Butters' boot after the ball was long gone. Not the first half-arsed review we've received

That's what i thought, you could see that the carlton players hand was already below the ball before Butters kicked it.

 

[porttoport]

I never said Drew should be left out, not for Ollie and not for anyone. Don't worry, I agree he's locked in as a player at present. And yes I struggle to inject a magic moment into my review of him but in part that's because it is based on what I saw live and as such don't see everything.

So if no him going out who makes room for Ollie


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[Powerstufff]

So if no him going out who makes room for Ollie ...

Probably best go to that thread, works better.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Relevance??

Think a little before you post. The most positive poster on the Port board about Port's prospect, is also a very realistic one and likes to break the game down.

As he said, its a review thread. Its not just a fanboy thread.

Do you reckon the coaches tomorrow will grab the players and say we won, there is nothing to review? lets just be positive? They will grab the players and go through what went wrong with all of them.

We had 70 inside 50's for only 13 goals. There is plenty of room for improvement.

 

[rogerjames]

A fair bit of criticism about Bonners game but I thought he was critical to our defensive rebounding last night. He's a very important part of our defence imo.

 

[rogerjames]

A fair bit of criticism about Bonners game but I thought he was critical to our defensive rebounding last night. He's a very important part of our defence imo.

 

[TeeKray]

Watched the game on replay this morning. I think it was a solid performance. Not outstanding, not terrible, just solid. Carlton are not the rancid team they have been in the recent past, they have a lot of talent. They won't win many games, they are more Brisbane last year than Brisbane this year, but they'll be plucky and difficult to beat at times.

We seemed to be winning the possession and territory battle but struggled to ever really establish any scoreboard dominance from it. Our attacking game style does come at a cost, that cost being a few easy goals back the other way. That happened a bit, especially early. A few of Carlton's goals were also a bit lucky I thought.

One thing I'm noticing though is that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Different players, different coaches, different game style, same old dysfunctional forward line. We just get so little return from so many promising forward entries. Our marking targets don't mark the ball, we hardly ever hit up short targets in that 40-50m from goal area that other teams seem to do with ease. It's a mess and until we sort it out, we'll never be able to challenge in any serious sense.

Thought Lycett was superb. Great in the ruck, great around the ground. It's a tiny sample size, but he's in All Australian form.

Boak and Rockliff continued their strong form. To be able to rely on these two to lead the midfield, run hard all day and pick up their 30-35 touches every week is such a valuable commodity in the context of the youth and inexperience elsewhere in the team. Great leadership so far this season from both of them.

Ebert and Motlop both played excellent games.

Loved the kids again. Rozee gets better and better with every game. Drew is a workhorse and seems very assured for such an inexperienced player. Butters just a maniac with so much potential. Duursma the blue collar, work hard all day type. Great signs for the future.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

What the **** was with that goal review?

Did they just chicken out and go with umpires original call?

Can anyone guess who the goal umpire was? REH calls him Louis Theroux.

 

[Powerstufff]

... We seemed to be winning the possession and territory battle but struggled to ever really establish any scoreboard dominance from it. Our attacking game style does come at a cost, that cost being a few easy goals back the other way. That happened a bit, especially early. A few of Carlton's goals were also a bit lucky I thought .....

Dead right. A couple of times we were on fire with tackling, winning the ball, moving with flair and then one missed pass and bang the ball was at the other end and sailing through the big sticks. I mentioned at the game the weird unlucky karma we experienced a few times.

One thing I'm noticing though is that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Different players, different coaches, different game style, same old dysfunctional forward line. We just get so little return from so many promising forward entries. Our marking targets don't mark the ball, we hardly ever hit up short targets in that 40-50m from goal area that other teams seem to do with ease. It's a mess and until we sort it out, we'll never be able to challenge in any serious sense .....

Our dysfunctional tall marking targets has been discussed a bit here. But yeah we still allow outnumbering on a regular basis and our crumbing smalls are so often absent. I mean what do the coaches say at the breaks and in the reviews during the week?

.... Drew is a workhorse and seems very assured for such an inexperienced player ....

The inexperience descriptor is the debatable part. Obviously at AFL level. But is he the player we've actually held back and carefully developed in the SANFL like we think we can and should? Or are we lucky shmucks? We do seem to have form now with Clurey and Leinert 'home grown' over time.

 

[TeeKray]

The inexperience descriptor is the debatable part. Obviously at AFL level. But is he the player we've actually held back and carefully developed in the SANFL like we think we can and should? Or are we lucky shmucks? We do seem to have form now with Clurey and Leinert 'home grown' over time.

Didn't play any footy at all last year ...

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Champion Data's table from the paper. I will try and put these in all the review threads. Should have done it years ago.

Green means 30% above 2017/18 averages per category, and Red means 30% below 2017/18 averages

A lot of green for Port and a bit of red.

LOL Carlton's 27 free's is 30% above their average. Of course we only got 24.

Inside 50's for us in 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarter of 17, 19, and 21 and Total of 70 is 30% above average. Carlton's 19 inside 50's in the first with the wind was above average.

Ebo's contested possessions are down in the red given he now is spending a lot of time forward. Same with Paddy. Motlop did a lot of running all day but didn't get a lot of reward from that running, until that last quarter, so his numbers are down. Drew went from a disposal efficiency of 84% to 48% so he goes in the red.

Hoff has lost every one of his milestone games - debut, 50,100,150 and 200, finally break the streak, but personally had a shocker.

Lycett had 14 hit outs to advantage (HOA) but I don't know if CD counts it as a HOA when he grabbed the ball and took it away with a clearance from a ball up or throw in.




A bit more of a mixed bag for Carlton.

60% of the ball in our forward half was better than average as was our 13 marks inside 50.

Carlton were more efficient inside 50 as shown by their 21% conversion to goals was above their average.

Janus talked about our pressure acts in one of his posts. Every quarter and total was above our average.

Our 23 shots on goal, accuracy of 57% (13 goals out of 23 shots), expected score of 87 from those shot positions and actual score of 88 was above average.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

You too. Might be a thing.

Yes definitely. There's something about that running style.

Much better on the left than Trigger though

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[S.Patrol.G]

Also, SMA get your shit together.

Used a transferred pass for my son (thank you Wind Power ) and the barcode (square Q code type) wouldn't scan at the turnstile.

So after going back to every ticketing booth window it turned out the only fix was via the membership tent which had a thousand people signing up.

We were about to go buy a GA ticket when some champion fella gave us one extra. Got there just in time for the start but what a stressful 20 minutes.

Secondly, the bars and food stalls seemed grossly undermanned.

It didn't have an impact on me directly because I've made a promise to myself not to purchase food and drink at the Oval (had a lovely coffee and hot dog with sauce for $8.50 from The Station Cafe- the really good hot dogs with proper rolls and that magical butter), but my wife decided to go and get something at half time. She arrived back 10 minutes into the 3rd quarter saying that every outlet had massive lines and the only staff in sight were on the cashiers.

 

[P4Life]

Think a little before you post. The most positive poster on the Port board about Port's prospect, is also a very realistic one and likes to break the game down.

As he said, its a review thread. Its not just a fanboy thread.

Do you reckon the coaches tomorrow will grab the players and say we won, there is nothing to review? lets just be positive? They will grab the players and go through what went wrong with all of them.

We had 70 inside 50's for only 13 goals. There is plenty of room for improvement.

Well maybe Riley Bonner and DBJ can tell them that they provided 13 of those inside 50s between them.
My point is he seems to get certain players in his sights and is relentless in trying to find evidence to prove his point.
I can’t wait for Hammer to get back and yes it will most likely be Riley or DBJ who make way, but I see 2 young guys busting their gut for us and not a whole lot of appreciation.
When was the last time he posted footage of a good piece of play?
I like all of us get frustrated at players but as long as they are putting it all out there I accept errors will be made.

 

[OneGreatClub]

I have no idea why we /Jonas won toss and kicked into the wind . A few days before the game I said we would win by 8-10 goals. An hour or two before I headed off to the game I said the wind will be a factor, like at Richmond Oval for the Maggies on Friday night but the forecast said it wont rain so it will be a 5 goal game.

The rain came and no surprise it cut my predicted margin in half again. Train in record summer heat, hot game at the MCG and then that shit weather for first home game.

Carlton with the wind
32 inside 50's for 9.3

Carlton into the wind
21 inside 50's for 2.3 inc Hoff smashing the ball right into Simpson's arm with a minute to go and goaled 30m out.

Port with the wind, 2nd time with it plenty of rain
38 Inside 50's 8.5

Port into the wind
32 inside 50's 5.5

We are still too inefficient inside our 50, and our gamestyle is not suited to wet weather footy. We handball too much when the footy is a piece of soap after rain, and we aren't that smart at playing a basic footy, wet weather, territory game.

Unless we improve over winter, we wont go far playing finals if its wet in September.

He said in his podcast this week that he also made the wrong coin toss call last week. You would think he would have learned.

 

[Powerstufff]

Didn't play any footy at all last year ...

Me after pumping up Drew's SANFL experience and being schooled.

 

[Powerstufff]

He said in his podcast this week that he also made the wrong coin toss call last week. You would think he would have learned.

Ollie Wines has the coin toss portfolio in the co-captains' duty statements. You can see why.

 

[Andre]

It didn't have an impact on me directly because I've made a promise to myself not to purchase food and drink at the Oval (had a lovely coffee and hot dog with sauce for $8.50 from The Station Cafe- the really good hot dogs with proper rolls and that magical butter), but my wife decided to go and get something at half time. She arrived back 10 minutes into the 3rd quarter saying that every outlet had massive lines and the only staff in sight were on the cashiers.

SMA - lets take everything that was bad about Footy Park and add that to AO! Have they awarded the rights to Lee Whickers ‘it’s not past it’s used by date if it was made this year’ catering yet? Or is that next years improvement?

 

[Janus]

Quarter 3

"Duursma...Duursma...Duursma..." sounded like the voice of god from Anthony Hudson through the ground loudspeakers.

Burton did well in the middle of the ground to win the ball back...but he was let down by guess who? Bonner, with a scrubber kick that actually went towards Carlton's goal.

Powell-Pepper is definitely everywhere. I can't wait to get Wines back in the side so he can slide down a rung and be a destructive version of Rockliff.

Brilliant play with a long kick from Duursma to Rozee who was caught behind his man but then moved to the front, then the handball from Rozee to Lycett on the run (showing Watts how its done) and a lovely kick from Scott to Marshall lace out. Too bad Todd couldn't mark the wet ball.

Another shit defensive effort from Bonner who leaves the outlet kick open in the forward 50 all on his own. Someone is trying to convince me that our defence is solid with these guys in it. It's not.

Kade Simpson runs through the protected area following no one after Ryder takes a mark on the 50...and the shit umpire says 'nothing to see here'. Ryder didn't appeal it because of what happened in the first half. And I'm going to say it again - Paddy needs to ditch the helmet ASAP. If he had peripheral vision he would have seen Lycett wide open to his right, but instead he blazes long and deep into a contest.

Bonner once again ****s up by not hitting the contest hard and allowing Cripps to take an easy mark at our 50m line. I'm sorry, but he's soft as ****ing butter. It's that mark that allows Carlton to use their run and overlap to move the ball down the field and score the easiest of goals from a mark to McGovern, who centres it to Dow.

Rockliff gives away a free kick to Cripps because he wasn't facing the footy. If Wines was playing, he would have taken Cripps and there's no way Patrick would have moved him.

LOL at Bonner trying to increase his meters gained stat and disposal efficiency by kicking the ball to no one but the advantage of Carlton on the wing 40 meters away. He easily could have kept running and drag the opponent that was covering Watts in the centre toward him. He even looked to his right, so it wasn't like he couldn't see him. Gray turns around and looks at him like 'WTF was that shit?'

Butters seems to be good for one stupid play a game. This time was when he takes a mark coming out of defence and thinks he can take McGovern on in the wet. Maybe if it was dry it would be a different story, but he gets caught holding the ball by McGovern and concedes a goal. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Nothing you could do about McGovern's next goal - just a quick kick out of the centre and a bit of luck in the congestion. You're going to have to cop those every once in awhile.

Have no idea what Ebert was doing inside 50. If you're in space like that, just take the shot. Especially after Carlton have kicked a couple of easy goals. Instead he kicks across the face of goal and the ball goes out of bounds. Why?

Dow ducks and Ryder gets him high - one umpire says he ducked, the other says 'free kick'. Probably Stevic....lol it was too. ****ing knob.

Just to show you that I'm unbiased - I liked Bonner's intent on the ball in the next passage - really went hard at it . Why can't you do that all the time?

****ing Dunstall with his 'Ohhh no...' bullshit when Carlton turned it over on the attack with a shit kick. I'm glad Hawthorn lost to the Bulldogs today.

I've said it before - Byrne-Jones does his best work as the defender who pushes up. When he's actually got to defend in defensive 50, he's not very good, but as an attacking defender he's great. But in order to play like that, you need players in defence who are good defenders. That's why I want Hartlett and Broadbent in the team with him so he can do his thing.

And lol, right on cue...he does this:

What exactly is he doing here? He doesn't have a man, he's not getting to the contest...he's just standing around doing **** all. He seriously is lost without playing on a direct opponent. Everyone else is doing something and putting pressure on. Just bizarre. And before you say 'he was being the outlet'...you have to win the ball first.

Butters' goal - and it was a goal - was touched on the boot, not after. It just shows you who the AFL wanted to win this game. Oh well, he made up for it on the next phase of play anyway, so he kicked 7 points instead of 6.

Powell-Pepper got up in Cripps' back and made sure to **** him up. I guess he figured 'You might get the ball, but I'm going to make sure you feel it every time.' Cripps had to come off with a blood nose after that - he wasn't too happy about it.

Byrne-Jones again did well on the boundary line...great intent on the ball.

Excellent handball from Jonas up the corridor to create an inside 50. Too bad Westhoff continued his mare of a game by hacking the ball off the deck out of bounds. That's the sort of kick you attempt when you're 40 points up in the wet, not when you're 4 points up.

Summary

The weather came at exactly the wrong time. It took away the advantage we were getting with tiring Carlton players who couldn't run with us, that we were carving up with our disposal, and turned the game back into a contested slopfest that their style takes advantage of. Remember how I said that they were Port 2013? Well, I seem to remember Port 2013 was pretty good in the slop for this very reason.

 

[Vagabond0]

Pretty sure I checked the forecast before the game and was expecting the wind to pick up later into the game and come more from the south.

Can only assume they backed themselves to have a strong start and come home with a stiffer breeze.

Did swing more from the south but breeze didn't pick up as forecasted.

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[Janus]

Well maybe Riley Bonner and DBJ can tell them that they provided 13 of those inside 50s between them.
My point is he seems to get certain players in his sights and is relentless in trying to find evidence to prove his point.
I can’t wait for Hammer to get back and yes it will most likely be Riley or DBJ who make way, but I see 2 young guys busting their gut for us and not a whole lot of appreciation.
When was the last time he posted footage of a good piece of play?
I like all of us get frustrated at players but as long as they are putting it all out there I accept errors will be made.

That's great for them. But they are defenders first, so that's how I judge them. I don't mind them ****ing up...it's when they don't attack the ball that I have a problem with it. You'll notice I don't get on Byrne-Jones' back nearly as much after the first quarter. Bonner...not so much. Though he did do a few nice things in the third quarter - probably got a rocket.

The only reason I post footage is to give examples of what is happening, because it's too hard to explain it. Everyone knows what good football looks like.

 

[Vagabond0]

Can't really ask for more than two wins. Also feel we're playing better than early last year. Actually felt confident all night and couldn't say that last season.

Ability to control how many turn overs we give up will be key.

Also hopeful that the game plan will actually be easier to execute against stronger sides as will have more space in front of us.

Next few weeks will reveal a lot, 3-2 would be on par to previous seasons.

Feel for Watts finally seemed to find some consistency and breaks a leg trying to take the game on. Hopefully he comes back stronger and uses Robbie for inspiration.

 

[Dav]

Lycett had 14 hit outs to advantage (HOA) but I don't know if CD counts it as a HOA when he grabbed the ball and took it away with a clearance from a ball up or throw in.

I've worked for CD and those are considered gathers not hitouts.

 

[Tor Eckman]

He has the crazy eyes. Love it.