Play Nice Bye Bye Brad [v4.0] - IT'S HAPPENING!!!

[Marstermind]

On exposed form he'd order excess burgers, burgers that would be controversial like Filet-o-fish. Too many for the box, so we'd have excess sitting in the bag. Then only 3 large fries and 2 cokes.

And being NMFC it would be Vanilla Coke

 

[GreatBradScott]

Different aspects of the club's spending I know, but I'd rather fork out 600K now to pay Brad out, than pay over that for another club's midfielder who'll have all the best parts coached out of him to be part of a mid-table finish.

Absolutely. Think it's worth a conversation among the base who have decided it's time - how can that sum of money be organised?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Any hint whether board see themselves as entrenched or would all step aside with Scott and Joyce for the great good if things tilted that way?

Would it take an opposing ticket to shake them out of there?

Many of them are ideologues, so there will be no "wake up calls" that would work with them.

We need a root & branch clean out, and we need proper football people back in charge of the club.

Total regime change is in order.

 

[tales129]

We are officially out of ideas, no clue which way to go. Our 'problem' is that Brad is accountable to those that are equally out of their depth. Hence why I'd suggest he looks so smug, no one is going to challenge him or his plans.

This thread shouldn't be just sack Scott, that dimwit Joyces is no better, The bloody pelican sits in the box with Brad- what's Cam do on match day? Order Uber eats? He'd probably **** that up.

So we need a proper clean out.

Joyce is one of the weirdest operators I’ve seen out - in the way that he speaks and communicates in interviews and media.

Different sport but let’s look at the similar sentiments. Look back to Philadelphia Eagles.

Joyce has an internal issue with staff, they are eventually moved on and he takes over total reigns. At the eagles Chip Kelly took total control of the club and moved long time administrator and list wizard Howie roseman to the basement, effectively confined to paperwork.

Chip, also a sycophant tries to do everything - implementing a different game style traditionally utilised in college systems. Trades away loved players, clearing everything out to make it his setup. Don’t need to go into too much detail with north here. Boomer, Petrie et al.

Eventually enough was enough. Chip fell on his sword and was moved on after completely destroying the internal setups of the team. Howie was promoted back to his original position - influential in the choice of coach going forward, and also working some absolute magic to trade up for a franchise quarter back, whilst bringing in several talented free agents and securing the team it’s first ever Super Bowl win.

Joyce is the chip Kelly overarching issue, brad part puppet part two faced accomplice.

Who is going to be our Howie roseman??

 

[King Corey]

Many of them are ideologues, so there will be no "wake up calls" that would work with them.

We need a root & branch clean out, and we need proper football people back in charge of the club.

Total regime change is in order.

You know Tef, as much as we've all debated each and every way, the various social and inclusion schemes at the club they should be able to co-exist with a competitive and ambitious football program.

Somewhere in 2009 IMO we took a wrong turn on that front and here we are with the result.

Single-mindedly chasing a completely untried Nathan Buckley like lovesick schoolgirls completely disrespected what should've been an exhaustive process to identify the next candidate to steer the club to a premiership.

Who's to say with a respecful, professional screening process might've enticed a fresh John Longmire to the club in 2010 who would've brought some of the best aspects of Sydney's program along with an understanding of North Melbourne the club? Or that Ken Hinkley might've been the best candidate and could've been put in place establishing a successful program straight away?

Instead we didn't seem to thoroughly assess other candidates or respect the decent body of work Darren Crocker assembled during his interim coaching time. But rather became obsessed with someone we seemed to value for PR reasons more than any coaching specific tangibles.

All that for mine was error #1.

Error #2 was an acceptance of Brad's gradual deviation from a results focused program that set a premiership as its ultimate goal. Instead the club's board and administration allowed itself to get its goals muddled up.

There was definitely a need for the greater club to build up its identity and focus on sustainability off-field.

But somehow a goal for off-field sustainability and longevity appeared to be commandeered by Brad et al in the football department. Rather than the football program building year upon year towards putting everything into a premiership, it seemed to be caught up thinking the goal was just to keep on keeping, staying thereabouts but never really threatening the status quo in the quest for being the very best.

 

[Snake_Baker]

i.e. The tail is wagging the dog.

 

[DesertRoo]

So we need a proper clean out.

Joyce is one of the weirdest operators I’ve seen out - in the way that he speaks and communicates in interviews and media.

Different sport but let’s look at the similar sentiments. Look back to Philadelphia Eagles.

Joyce has an internal issue with staff, they are eventually moved on and he takes over total reigns. At the eagles Chip Kelly took total control of the club and moved long time administrator and list wizard Howie roseman to the basement, effectively confined to paperwork.

Chip, also a sycophant tries to do everything - implementing a different game style traditionally utilised in college systems. Trades away loved players, clearing everything out to make it his setup. Don’t need to go into too much detail with north here. Boomer, Petrie et al.

Eventually enough was enough. Chip fell on his sword and was moved on after completely destroying the internal setups of the team. Howie was promoted back to his original position - influential in the choice of coach going forward, and also working some absolute magic to trade up for a franchise quarter back, whilst bringing in several talented free agents and securing the team it’s first ever Super Bowl win.

Joyce is the chip Kelly overarching issue, brad part puppet part two faced accomplice.

Who is going to be our Howie roseman??

Brady Rawlings...
Get him back as list manager.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Brady Rawlings...
Get him back as list manager.

Bring them all back! Brady, Drew, and bloody Simmo if we can pull that off. Give them complete control over everything football related too.

I have no issues with Joyce, it's what happens after he does his job.

 

[tales129]

But somehow a goal for off-field sustainability and longevity appeared to be commandeered by Brad et al in the football department. Rather than the football program building year upon year towards putting everything into a premiership, it seemed to be caught up thinking the goal was just to keep on keeping, staying thereabouts but never really threatening the status quo in the quest for being the very best.

Mind blown.gif

 

[Snake_Baker]

“I was certainly not keen to explore any other options, it was purely to work out if I was the best fit for North Melbourne and as soon as the club came to that conclusion, it very quickly got to this result.”

Scott said he believed the club was in a “great position” as it started a rebuild with a six-win season.

“I’ve been extremely impressed by the way the club has stuck to the strategy this year through periods of adversity. The football club has been rock solid this year. “Every leader needs to examine their position on a regular basis and I said throughout the year we would need to do that, and I would need a level of comfort that the football club had all the options on the table for the next few years.............

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...0/news-story/37e9d59b4e9c9b94f06f4a4f2bb0dc4d

So much empty rhetoric.

Kangaroos chairman Ben Buckley said the club was very happy with this year’s results, which tracked with the rebuild plan mapped out by Scott. He said a club subcommittee came to the decision to offer Scott a new deal “very quickly” and didn’t ask him to reapply for his job.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...0/news-story/37e9d59b4e9c9b94f06f4a4f2bb0dc4d

It's all on you Ben Buckley!

 

[tales129]

whateley this morning talking about simmo.

He talks about playing with heart, and going out and representing your family and just being in the moment. He lets those players “play”, they utilise instinct and their own intuition and football nous.

He has coached them to make the decisions, not tell them how to make the decisions.

That’s the original north culture. Pride, ferocity and ingenuity

 

[glenn2479]

Many of them are ideologues, so there will be no "wake up calls" that would work with them.

We need a root & branch clean out, and we need proper football people back in charge of the club.

Total regime change is in order.

There’s a lot of good posters, reasoned, logical posters here who are wanting the coach gone and I 100% agree with those sentiments. I remember when JB came in ( saved us) and he said North had always been good at ‘Football’ ie. onfield, and that we had to get things right off field. Well, I think off field we’ve done extraordinarily well, made gutsy decisions and put the club in a secure position and to some degree ‘future proofed’ ourselves. I’m not in favor of wholesale ‘regime change ‘ as you’re advocating Snake. I think there’s enough evidence to suggest the board has done a good job. On the issue of Brad Scott they’ve dropped the ball and the contract extension given to him until the end of 2020 was clearly a wrong move. A good Admin would now identify who and what they want as a coach and go about securing that person and then implementing a strategy to remove Brad with minimal fuss and disruption to the rest of the club. By my reckoning they would do this at the end of the season proper and give some forceful direction to Brad in the meantime to play the youth and experiment with game plan and positioning. We still need to be seen as a professional and well run organization, not a knee-jerk ( yes 10 years isn’t knee-jerk), reactionary club. We have a club that can now survive coach changes and bottoming out. This should give the board confidence to make the coaching changes required, but I don’t think you’ll see anything happen during the season. If Scott’s coaching changes 180 degrees then that may be a hint that he’s been ‘tapped on the shoulder’.

 

[Snake_Baker]

whateley this morning talking about simmo.

He talks about playing with heart, and going out and representing your family and just being in the moment. He lets those players “play”, they utilise instinct and their own intuition and football nous.

He has coached them to make the decisions, not tell them how to make the decisions.

Remind you of something in the past?

That’s the original north culture. Pride, ferocity and ingenuity

Correctamundo!

 

[WayneShimmiesTheBush]

Brad Scott has totally sucked the life out of me and he has done it better than a dyson cinetic big ball multi floor barrel vacuum cleaner could. I was looking so forward to this year as I believe we actually have a good list but right now all I am looking forward to is for this nightmare to finish.

And if there is a coaching change I believe Crocker and Tudor need to go as well. We need a clean sweep and its time to bring in some new voices. It has been said many times before but one of the most disappointing things under Brad Scott is the lack of changes made at the selection table. If you continue to reward mediocracy then you will get mediocre results. I think he is a good bloke but his coaching time at our club should be over.

In saying the above, the worst thing is no matter how much life has been sucked out of me so far and how deflated I feel, because I love this club I will continue to put myself through the agony and punishment of watching my club play week in week out. I guess I am a glutton for punishment.

 

[DesertRoo]

Bring them all back! Brady, Drew, and bloody Simmo if we can pull that off. Give them complete control over everything football related too.

I have no issues with Joyce, it's what happens after he does his job.

I’d love for all of them to come back but unfortunately Simmo I think is west coasts.
We might be able to pinch Brady, I’d also give him the pick of who he wants as coaching the team he puts out there.

 

[Marstermind]

Crocker going too is a no-brainer. He was in this role when the previous coach's run fizzled out. A good North man but part of the disease, not the cure.

 

[DesertRoo]

Brad Scott has totally sucked the life out of me and he has done it better than a dyson cinetic big ball multi floor barrel vacuum cleaner could. I was looking so forward to this year as I believe we actually have a good list but right now all I am looking forward to is for this nightmare to finish.

And if there is a coaching change I believe Crocker and Tudor need to go as well. We need a clean sweep and its time to bring in some new voices. It has been said many times before but one of the most disappointing things under Brad Scott is the lack of changes made at the selection table. If you continue to reward mediocracy then you will get mediocre results. I think he is a good bloke but his coaching time at our club should be over.

In saying the above, the worst thing is no matter how much life has been sucked out of me so far and how deflated I feel, because I love this club I will continue to put myself through the agony and punishment of watching my club play week in week out. I guess I am a glutton for punishment.

It’s funny one thing I never understood with Scott, you watch the top teams drop under performing players, even if they win by 10 goals.

It’s called standards.

 

[King Corey]

Crocker going too is a no-brainer. He was in this role when the previous coach's run fizzled out. A good North man but part of the disease, not the cure.

He coached pretty well in that interim period though MM. When has Brad coaching a win over a top #2 side in his way to see out a season? He also coached us to dynamic wins vs WC in 2015 and Richmond in 2016 iirc.

 

[Uber Roo]

In retrospect how good would’ve it been if Bard took the Gold Coast job, that he was initially linked to , and we got Dew instead.



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[Better Loosen Up]

Would not be at all surprised if Brad is on 600k+

 

[Marstermind]

He coached pretty well in that interim period though MM. When has Brad coaching a win over a top #2 side in his way to see out a season? He also coached us to dynamic wins vs WC in 2015 and Richmond in 2016 iirc.

By that logic we keep him. In fact, Brad got us to a PF 4 years ago, won 9 straight 3 years ago and we kicked 10 in a quarter against the minor premiers two years back. Can we keep him too?

 

[Junk yard]

Just want to echo the support for Laidley in parts of the thread.

Know reliably he did and still loves the club and made several decisions for its good even if they didn't all turn out perfectly.

He coached under the worst set of circumstances in terms of overall club unification and available resources of any coach in our modern history. For example in 2003 he wasn't even given any rookies for $ reasons. In 2007 as we all know he was trying to steer a team to finals while the board was actively trying to flatline the club all the way to Carrarra.

His time had come and he did the honourable thing by falling on his sword. He never spun snake-tongued corporate speak about results. Despite the very limited conditions he coached under he still managed 3 finals series vs Brad's 4 and managed a top 4 ladder finish which Brad never has.

Dean rightly finished things up in 2009 but left the nucleus of the 2014/15 preliminary finals sides and an on-field culture that couldn't be questioned for physicality or discipline.

3 years ago I thought Scott's time was up but would've defended him strongly with regards to the culture he'd built and the fact I was convinced he'd remove himself from the job without payout the second he thought he wasn't best for the club.

I'm now skeptical about either of the last points.

Was one of the most courageous player's I've seen play the game and part of a great and underrated back six. The bloke was 65kg and would drop in front of Plugger without hesitation.

 

[King Corey]

By that logic we keep him. In fact, Brad got us to a PF 4 years ago, won 9 straight 3 years ago and we kicked 10 in a quarter against the minor premiers two years back. Can we keep him too?

Come on now. Crocker has a coaching sample size of 15 games over 3 separate seasons. Scott has a coaching sample size of 10 years.

Crocker has overseen wins over eventual grand finalist sides of that season twice in his small coaching sample. Not a bad micro indicator.

 

[Tectonic]

Come on now. Crocker has a coaching sample size of 15 games over 3 separate seasons. Scott has a coaching sample size of 10 years.

Crocker has overseen wins over eventual grand finalist sides of that season twice in his small coaching sample. Not a bad micro indicator.

As Director of Coaching though surely he bears some responsibility over Brad's choices before and during games.

Side note not sure if it's just on mobile but our website info on coaches and board members is a touch out of date :/

 

[danj]

What do you mean by "lost sight of it's main objective"?!

Aren't you people against poker machines and in favor of multicultural social education and women's rights against entrenched patriarchal tyranny?

These are crucial factors in a premiership drive and membership increase. We actually got an ex Hawthorn supporter to become a member.

Yes I'm proud of all those things and more that we as a club have achieved since 2007 however I think the salient issue here is organisational structure.

I think we should restructure into two arms under the board. One arm is the community arm and the second arm is the football arm.

Secondly I would restructure the board and separate the managing director role so that we had a new CEO who would be an exofficio board member. Governance and Operations have overlapped and lines of responsibility have imo become blurred and hard decisions are harder to make without that separation.

Each arm would have a GM (title doesn't matter) who are solely dedicated to running their arm. Board priority in terms of funding and strategic direction should be the football arm with the community arm instructed to be cost neutral and raise their funding through appropriate grants.

I'm in favour of turning the board over but only if there's a ticket running that puts forward a clear plan to achieve sensible objectives (one being a premiership) with people running who have credibility and appropriate skills, imo you dont need more than two who have direct afl experience.

People who's chief concern is their golfing handicap need not apply.