List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[ghostbat12]

Please remind us, who picked Harley?

yep, took a lot of recruitment genius to get that one right.

 

[UseR2006]

yep, took a lot of recruitment genius to get that one right.

Don't forget there was plenty of emails to the club on a regular basis telling them not to **** it up.

 

[Barrybran]

Don't forget there was plenty of emails to the club on a regular basis telling them not to **** it up.

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Just sign, Reid

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

I am surprised that the consensus on the Board is to take 1# Duursma and 2# Sharp; my question for the draft watchers, after reading through the comments is: Sharp is essentially a guaranteed player for 200 games, while Duursma could be anything. Are we really in a position to go all in on Pick 1 for Duursma?

Wouldn't it be better to pick Sharp, split Pick 2, and select Cummings plus player X, who again is almost a known quantity compared to Duursma? Personally, if we are to gamble on a player like Duursma I would want to take that gamble in a few years from now when we have the building blocks of certain amount of elite talent.

 

[Barrybran]

This kind of an incredible, dominant performance creates questions that recruiters need to answer. Is Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves the most talented prospect in the draft pool? Has he been hampered all season by injuries that have prevented him from fully showing what he has to offer?

No other prospect has had such a huge gap between his best and his worst this year, and this might just be the best single game performance we’ve seen this year. It’s the first time that he’s looked convincing playing on ball, showing that he’s capable of getting first hands on it and driving his team forward. His running power was as elite as always, but instead of running to get to a contest and then hovering around ineffectively he was much more active and impactful. His elite traits like his ball skills and marking are so good that if he can find the ball 29 times like he did in this game he is going to dominate.

What are the knocks on this kid? 29 disposals without a fumble is pretty impressive, especially when you consider the difficulty of some of his possessions.

 

[txbyhull]

I am surprised that the consensus on the Board is to take 1# Duursma and 2# Sharp; my question for the draft watchers, after reading through the comments is: Sharp is essentially a guaranteed player for 200 games, while Duursma could be anything. Are we really in a position to go all in on Pick 1 for Duursma?

Wouldn't it be better to pick Sharp, split Pick 2, and select Cummings plus player X, who again is almost a known quantity compared to Duursma? Personally, if we are to gamble on a player like Duursma I would want to take that gamble in a few years from now when we have the building blocks of certain amount of elite talent.

Duursma’s combination of upside and traits make him an incredible attractive prospect even at his floor. Tall with a frame that can put muscle on, great overhead marking and developing spread/transition, athletic traits in speed and endurance. Only real concern is lack of mid time which he’s answering right now and also kicking but it’s not as if he’s bad, he sometimes bites off more than he can chew and that can be coached out. He’s pulling away right now as number 1 but I think he wouldn’t go 1 in a few other recent drafts

 

[txbyhull]

What are the knocks on this kid? 29 disposals without a fumble is pretty impressive, especially when you consider the difficulty of some of his possessions.

Inconsistency and disappearing too often, may be down to carrying injuries though, but also could be character concerns. Not really known yet

 

[beatlesmith]

I am surprised that the consensus on the Board is to take 1# Duursma and 2# Sharp; my question for the draft watchers, after reading through the comments is: Sharp is essentially a guaranteed player for 200 games, while Duursma could be anything. Are we really in a position to go all in on Pick 1 for Duursma?

Wouldn't it be better to pick Sharp, split Pick 2, and select Cummings plus player X, who again is almost a known quantity compared to Duursma? Personally, if we are to gamble on a player like Duursma I would want to take that gamble in a few years from now when we have the building blocks of certain amount of elite talent.

Why do you see Duursma as a gamble?

He has the best CV and exposed form out of any prospect other than Sharp. He’s delivered at every level over two years in multiple positions. Even if he doesn’t make it as a midfielder, he’s probably going to at least be a good HBF.

Cumming on the other hand had relatively middling U18 form, one great SANFL game and is now recovering from shoulder surgery. I like him as a prospect but he’s hardly a sure thing, especially as a full time midfielder.

We are have no shortage of solid but unspectacular talents. We need more potential stars.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Why do you see Duursma as a gamble?

He has the best CV and exposed form out of any prospect other than Sharp. He’s delivered at every level over two years in multiple positions. Even if he doesn’t make it as a midfielder, he’s probably going to at least be a good HBF.

Cumming on the other hand had relatively middling U18 form, one great SANFL game and is now recovering from shoulder surgery. I like him as a prospect but he’s hardly a sure thing, especially as a full time midfielder.

We are have no shortage of solid but unspectacular talents. We need more potential stars.

Best CV is owned by Sharp by 100 miles

 

[RanaNaved]

Why do you see Duursma as a gamble?

He has the best CV and exposed form out of any prospect other than Sharp. He’s delivered at every level over two years in multiple positions. Even if he doesn’t make it as a midfielder, he’s probably going to at least be a good HBF.

Cumming on the other hand had relatively middling U18 form, one great SANFL game and is now recovering from shoulder surgery. I like him as a prospect but he’s hardly a sure thing, especially as a full time midfielder.

We are have no shortage of solid but unspectacular talents. We need more potential stars.

Exactly, Duursma on both exposed form and potential is way ahead of Cumming

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Why do you see Duursma as a gamble?

He has the best CV and exposed form out of any prospect other than Sharp. He’s delivered at every level over two years in multiple positions. Even if he doesn’t make it as a midfielder, he’s probably going to at least be a good HBF.

Cumming on the other hand had relatively middling U18 form, one great SANFL game and is now recovering from shoulder surgery. I like him as a prospect but he’s hardly a sure thing, especially as a full time midfielder.

We are have no shortage of solid but unspectacular talents. We need more potential stars.

Me, I wouldnt have a clue if he is a gamble.

What I have taken from the many pages is Duursma can be anything but let me ask the question in another way.

Out of the players projected in the top 10, which two players would you put your left nut to play 200 AFL Games? The consensus is Sharp is one of those players, is Duursma?

 

[Kegs15]

On Sharp vs Duursma straight up:

We have Reid, Hewett, and might add Warner as a FA in a few years - 3 players who are burst, damage, attack types who even if they're capable you don't really want spending the game at the bottom of packs (like if any of them got 10 tackles you'd almost be concerned that was at the expense of what makes them so good).

What we don't have is a primo, elite, contested/clearance winner who is 100% a fulltime mid. For that reason would prefer Sharp - think he'll suit who we already have a lot more.

If our most promising mids already on our list were more honest possession winner types, then I'd go Duursma. It's who we do have that makes Duursma feel like a gamble IMO (will he be as effective as we want him to be in our lineup).

For me it's make sure we get Sharp as priority #1. Then I'd be weighing up what we were offered for Duursma and whether that'll be more valuable - if the offer is awesome take it, if not JTD.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

On Sharp vs Duursma straight up:

We have Reid, Hewett, and might add Warner as a FA in a few years - 3 players who are burst, damage, attack types who even if they're capable you don't really want spending the game at the bottom of packs (like if any of them got 10 tackles you'd almost be concerned that was at the expense of what makes them so good).

What we don't have is a primo, elite, contested/clearance winner who is 100% a fulltime mid. For that reason would prefer Sharp - think he'll suit who we already have a lot more.

If our most promising mids already on our list were more honest possession winner types, then I'd go Duursma. It's who we do have that makes Duursma feel like a gamble IMO (will he be as effective as we want him to be in our lineup).

For me it's make sure we get Sharp as priority #1. Then I'd be weighing up what we were offered for Duursma and whether that'll be more valuable - if the offer is awesome take it, if not JTD.

This is it. We're in an incredibly powerful situation if we do end up with both pick 1 and 2. If another team is big on Duursma, or CDT, or any other player we don't rate as highly, we can get a good haul for pick 1 or 2 while still taking the player we rank highest. If we don't get offered a haul, just use them both. It's a can't lose situation.

 

[eaglevision]

This is it. We're in an incredibly powerful situation if we do end up with both pick 1 and 2. If another team is big on Duursma, or CDT, or any other player we don't rate as highly, we can get a good haul for pick 1 or 2 while still taking the player we rank highest. If we don't get offered a haul, just use them both. It's a can't lose situation.

 

[Corn69]

Duursma and Sharp are 2 of the best and most consistent prospects available in the open draft.

I've watched Duursma closely and In my personal opinion, it would be mistake not to take him.

What makes him an enticing prospect is that he's basically a taller/lesser version of Harley, in the sense that he is able to impact on all fronts.

I don't see him as soft or a flight risk, too me, he's in the Bont/Day/Callaghan mold.

Let's be honest, a major reason people are hesitant on him is based on his name and the way Zane's turned out, apart from that he's a top 2 prospect.

 

[whatis]

My problem with Duursma is that his brother does a bow-and-arrow celebration which is just super lame and reminds me of the Happy Gilmore villain, Shooter McGavin.

Case closed.

 

[beatlesmith]

On Sharp vs Duursma straight up:

We have Reid, Hewett, and might add Warner as a FA in a few years - 3 players who are burst, damage, attack types who even if they're capable you don't really want spending the game at the bottom of packs (like if any of them got 10 tackles you'd almost be concerned that was at the expense of what makes them so good).

What we don't have is a primo, elite, contested/clearance winner who is 100% a fulltime mid. For that reason would prefer Sharp - think he'll suit who we already have a lot more.

If our most promising mids already on our list were more honest possession winner types, then I'd go Duursma. It's who we do have that makes Duursma feel like a gamble IMO (will he be as effective as we want him to be in our lineup).

For me it's make sure we get Sharp as priority #1. Then I'd be weighing up what we were offered for Duursma and whether that'll be more valuable - if the offer is awesome take it, if not JTD.

I don’t think anyone disagrees with the notion that Sharp is the best fit out of all of the prospects.

The question on this forum isn’t “Duursma vs Sharp”, it’s “Duursma vs split the picks”, which is a funny question because there has been nothing credible to suggest that the magical Essendon split is even on the cards. It’s not a split we’d want to do, but we assume that they want to because…they have Duursma’s brother?

None of the players expected to fall in that range excite me very much.

• Lindsay’s kicking is nice but he strikes me as a pretty limited player and similar to what we have in McCarthy.
• Cumming I like but his skills overlap quite a bit with Hewett and Reid, and his shoulder and form is a question mark.
• CDT probably won’t be available and he’s a big risk and a slow burn.
• Schubert is good but does he fit a positional need? Do we spend a top 10 pick on a forward to try and turn him into a defender?
• Greeves is probably too similar to Sharp to warrant serious consideration.
• I like watching Grlj run but is he a midfielder? Does he win enough ball? His form has been pretty spotty.

The two top 10 prospects I really like in this draft are Sharp and Duursma, and they happen to be attainable with things as they stand. I think they compliment each other really well and both fill needs within our team. Unless we get a godfather offer, JTSAD.

 

[beatlesmith]

Me, I wouldnt have a clue if he is a gamble.

What I have taken from the many pages is Duursma can be anything but let me ask the question in another way.

Out of the players projected in the top 10, which two players would you put your left nut to play 200 AFL Games? The consensus is Sharp is one of those players, is Duursma?

I’m not sure “will they play 200 games?” is the only or appropriate metric. Chris Masten played 200 games. For what it’s worth, Xavier Duursma is well on his way to 200 too.

The better question is whether the player is potentially good enough to move the needle for this team. And from there, whether you think that player will make good on their potential.

 

[Mop]

I’m not sure “will they play 200 games?” is the only or appropriate metric. Chris Masten played 200 games. For what it’s worth, Xavier Duursma is well on his way to 200 too.

The better question is whether the player is potentially good enough to move the needle for this team. And from there, whether you think that player will make good on their potential.

This is a typically well thought out point by you, BS.
No one will ever argue Masten's 200 games were brilliant, but you put even peak Chris Masten (whenever that was) in our squad today and that needle moves a grand total of zero.


I would argue that the biggest hole in our list right now is a pure gun in and under midfielder.
Dyson Sharp looks nailed on. He doesn't have to be the best player in the draft, he just has to be the best fit for us. I think he is. Hands down.

I then think that we have the luxury of being bold and getting CDT, and hoping to nail another mid with the Hawthorn pick, whatever that looks like.

 

[eagles rule]

It's worth noting that Duursma was mostly lining up against our untried mids on the weekend.
Many of our starting mids had played for CMC during the week in school football (for the Herald Sun Shield) and were therefore not available for selection.
I guess I expected more of Willem when he went through the midfield due to this.

I couldn't help feeling that if Patrick Blake (who IMO is the best tackler at Talent League level this season) had lined up on Duursma as this is Blake's starting position rather than a number of our rotating mids who were available but not really our typical midfield options then Blake would've completely shut Duursma out of the game through the midfield.
Duursma intercept game would still be a feature though.

Sounds like we need to draft this Patrick Blake ..

 

[pantskyle]

IMO when all is said and done every rated phantom will have Duursma at pick 1 whilst the next ten will be jumbled across the board. He'll be the clear cut pick one prospect and as a club you either take him or trade that pick more more bites.

 

[WCErevival]

Its not Duursma's talent I think is the issue but more will he want to go back to Vic. It doesn't mean dont pick him but it will be Reid all over again

 

[pantskyle]

Its not Duursma's talent I think is the issue but more will he want to go back to Vic. It doesn't mean dont pick him but it will be Reid all over again

Has there been reports on Duursma being a flight risk? I've not seen that about him anywhere besides on here. Even if he is we have to back ourselves in to keep players, not be worried they'll up and leave as soon as they can.

Every one said Reid would go as soon as he could and he loves Perth.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Its not Duursma's talent I think is the issue but more will he want to go back to Vic. It doesn't mean dont pick him but it will be Reid all over again

So he will most likely sign an extension?

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

I don’t think anyone disagrees with the notion that Sharp is the best fit out of all of the prospects.

The question on this forum isn’t “Duursma vs Sharp”, it’s “Duursma vs split the picks”, which is a funny question because there has been nothing credible to suggest that the magical Essendon split is even on the cards. It’s not a split we’d want to do, but we assume that they want to because…they have Duursma’s brother?

None of the players expected to fall in that range excite me very much.

• Lindsay’s kicking is nice but he strikes me as a pretty limited player and similar to what we have in McCarthy.
• Cumming I like but his skills overlap quite a bit with Hewett and Reid, and his shoulder and form is a question mark.
• CDT probably won’t be available and he’s a big risk and a slow burn.
• Schubert is good but does he fit a positional need? Do we spend a top 10 pick on a forward to try and turn him into a defender?
• Greeves is probably too similar to Sharp to warrant serious consideration.
• I like watching Grlj run but is he a midfielder? Does he win enough ball? His form has been pretty spotty.

The two top 10 prospects I really like in this draft are Sharp and Duursma, and they happen to be attainable with things as they stand. I think they compliment each other really well and both fill needs within our team. Unless we get a godfather offer, JTSAD.

It's an interesting take and its another item to track of interest like the Ward vs Ginbey/Hewett.

Personally, adding x2 of Lindsay, Cumming, CDT, Schubert and Greeves alongside Sharp just brings more quality and imo we are in dire need of; But if Duursma is the guy, I guess he will do to.