List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[eaglevision]

And we still wouldn't have addressed our midfield

Regardless of the midfield if Cochrane is available next year you take him.

I agree with your sentiments this draft could be yet another monumental **** up.

 

[mattyc75]

Regardless of the midfield if Cochrane is available next year you take him.

I agree with your sentiments this draft could be yet another monumental **** up.

If someone wants CDT badly enough to trade up for him we have to do it to grab the best mids available

 

[Mop]

Regardless of the midfield if Cochrane is available next year you take him.

I agree with your sentiments this draft could be yet another monumental **** up.

I’d argue though that it’s far easier to land a quality midfielder than it is a blue chip tall+.

Especially facing the Tasmanian spiced compromised drafts.

It’s not like it’s one or the other here either. We look every chance of getting a blue chip mid and a tall if we go CDT

 

[eaglevision]

If someone wants CDT badly enough to trade up for him we have to do it to grab the best mids available

If the Bombers or Richmond want WD or CDT badly enough we should do the pick trade. I really hope the club is just projecting that’s who we’re taking.

Most other clubs would need a player and a pick in the top 8.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Zane is so 2023.

This year version reeks of Hoskin Elliot. Versatile 200 game roll player that never really shines or moves the needle.

 

[eaglevision]

I’d argue though that it’s far easier to land a quality midfielder than it is a blue chip tall+.

Especially facing the Tasmanian spiced compromised drafts.

It’s not like it’s one or the other here either. We look every chance of getting a blue chip mid and a tall if we go CDT

I don’t think anyone disagrees with your first point.

Cochrane is next year where regardless of the mids I’m pretty confident every club would take him at pick 1 he’s the best tall to come through the draft in years and can play anywhere, including midfield.

CDT is a different kettle of fish and I’m not keen on him this year with pick 1 or 2.

 

[Monocle]

And we still wouldn't have addressed our midfield

Indeed and thats the point of my snide comment.

Now I think both CDT and Duursma are really good prospects but CDT will be a slow burn and will need 3-4 yers in the system before he moves the needle for us.

Duursma is another highly talent young kid that is a good HBF that we are hoping will morph into a genuine midfielder.

He is very outside and if he was playing on the outside of a competent and or established B+ ( or better ) midfield, then him as a first hands receiver, out of congestion, then he would be a very dangerous player and a real weapon.

But as you say neither help our midfield at the coal face, that is why I have some reluctance to drafting them as a pair.


I could live with us drafting one of them ( and I would prefer Duursma over CDT,) but only on the proviso that we also used an early pick ( meaning a single figure pick ) on a genuine midfielder that could help us in the near future, meaning playing in year one or two.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Beginning to come to terms with CDT, and to be honest I don't think the board going nuclear on draft night would be all that warranted. He looks a very likely type to me.

Is he worth pick #1 or #2 in my personal view? No. But I am not a draft or recruiting expert either.

I still think he's a top 5 talent in this draft, personally. Perhaps we all change our tune a bit come the draft combine. How tall is he really? What are his physical traits/strengths/attributes?

Lots to play out. Sheets are dry for now.

 

[plays tall 1]

Surely with SA-based Duane Massey as head of recruiting, in a year when SA won the under 18s in a canter and Sharp won the Larke Medal and was named All Australian captain, we’re not going to get swept up in the Vic centric media narrative and spend picks 1 and 2 on Victorians…

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Surely with SA-based Duane Massey as head of recruiting, in a year when SA won the under 18s in a canter and Sharp won the Larke Medal and was named All Australian captain, we’re not going to get swept up in the Vic centric media narrative and spend picks 1 and 2 on Victorians…

And that is what I am hoping for. If we can sell pick 1 and still hold 2 and two picks in the first 6, it should work out well.

Plaudits to Massey if he can manoeuvre our draft hand to be SA - Sharp Cumming and Schubert for our first 3 picks please

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Yep, really rate the SA talent, and I don’t think Dursma is the inside midfielder me are crying out for.

 

[UseR2006]

Banfield getting another run with the WAFL crew this weekend.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Interesting the guy who puts these rankings together got asked Where Duursma and Sharp would rank in last years draft. He would’ve had Duursma top 3 and Sharp 5-6 ahead of Travaglia and Smillie section.

Genuinely boggles my mind that Jagga Smith could be rated as a higher prospect than Sharp by anyone but I guess that is why I am not a recruiter.

 

[Rowan18]

Genuinely boggles my mind that Jagga Smith could be rated as a higher prospect than Sharp by anyone but I guess that is why I am not a recruiter.

Even after all these years of the draft, it amazes me how there's often a kid that gets top 10 based mainly off hype. North's Duursma or Tsatas are good examples. The astute people on here mentioned their flaws but the pros still fell for it.

CDT seems like yet another. I hope we take Sharp first and then Duursma (if we want a higher risk/reward) or pick split 2.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Genuinely boggles my mind that Jagga Smith could be rated as a higher prospect than Sharp by anyone but I guess that is why I am not a recruiter.

I think Sharp's arms are bigger than Jagga's legs. But sure, maybe he'll make it as an inside mid.

 

[Big_Birdy]

I think Sharp's arms are bigger than Jagga's legs. But sure, maybe he'll make it as an inside mid.

Myself I am not even saying he is no good.

But it weirdly feels like Sharps flaws are exaggerated way more than players from last year

 

[gravy_86]

Myself I am not even saying he is no good.

But it weirdly feels like Sharps flaws are exaggerated way more than players from last year

I remember a bit of chat on player weaknesses until the pick split happened, at which point the top ten were all certain guns

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Myself I am not even saying he is no good.

But it weirdly feels like Sharps flaws are exaggerated way more than players from last year

He's not glamourous. It's the Libba issue. He's probably a top 5 pick in a redo of his draft year, and was seen as a gun inside mid at the time, but people undersell the value of having someone who can win the clearance battle for 250+ games. They want someone who can potentially be "something".

I'd happily take a young Libba with pick 2.

 

[WCE777]

Myself I am not even saying he is no good.

But it weirdly feels like Sharps flaws are exaggerated way more than players from last year

Sharp has been the best inside mid last year in his age group and has proven again he is the best inside mid again this year.
I know nothing except what my eyes see and he is streets ahead in the best inside mid in the draft.
Every player has flaws but Sharps championships was as good as you could expect from a player.
He is elite in the traits that inside mids need to be.
He could have more of an endurance profile but everything else is very good.
He is Tom Green light probably and that is exactly what WC need.
They also need the next best balanced mid in this draft and that is Cumming.
Then best available at Hawks 1st or whatever the next pick is.
We don't need outside players with picks 1 or 2.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Sharp has been the best inside mid last year in his age group and has proven again he is the best inside mid again this year.
I know nothing except what my eyes see and he is streets ahead in the best inside mid in the draft.
Every player has flaws but Sharps championships was as good as you could expect from a player.
He is elite in the traits that inside mids need to be.
He could have more of an endurance profile but everything else is very good.
He is Tom Green light probably and that is exactly what WC need.
They also need the next best balanced mid in this draft and that is Cumming.
Then best available at Hawks 1st or whatever the next pick is.
We don't need outside players with picks 1 or 2.

Duurmsa v Cummings is the big call based on what people on here prefer.

Duursma would could be anything, or Cummings who will be a very good balanced mid. I guess the big question is what extra can you add to give up on Duursma and trade down for a Cummings, and could you even guarantee he'd be there. Tigers could use him at 4.

Assuming
1. Duursma (essendon)
2. Sharp (Eagles)
3. CDT (Tigers)
4. ????
5. Cummings (Eagles)

If Tigers took him at 4, would you be happy with giving up on Duursma and having to take someone else?

 

[eaglevision]

Duurmsa v Cummings is the big call based on what people on here prefer.

Duursma would could be anything, or Cummings who will be a very good balanced mid. I guess the big question is what extra can you add to give up on Duursma and trade down for a Cummings, and could you even guarantee he'd be there. Tigers could use him at 4.

Assuming
1. Duursma (essendon)
2. Sharp (Eagles)
3. CDT (Tigers)
4. ????
5. Cummings (Eagles)

If Tigers took him at 4, would you be happy with giving up on Duursma and having to take someone else?

Assuming 1-2 occurs as you say then Tigers IMO will take two of Cumming, Lindsay and CDT. If we can get Bombers picks 5,6 for 1 and x (hopefully x is Liam Ryan) we can take either Lindsay or Cumming if they are left plus Schubert to develop as a CHB.

If CDT is left clubs will come after him and we can probably trade pick 5 for a slide down to 12-13 + a F1 then take a Farrow or Rodriguez type depending on who we select earlier.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I’m thinking this Duursma will be similar to the other Duursma’s an elite runner, far ahead of the other boys due to mum taking them for a 10km run every morning up hills, once the other kids join in an AFL training and running program and catch up to his athletic abilities, then he comes back to the field, pick the players with elite football skills and then develop their fitness, not the other way around.

 

[WCE777]

Duurmsa v Cummings is the big call based on what people on here prefer.

Duursma would could be anything, or Cummings who will be a very good balanced mid. I guess the big question is what extra can you add to give up on Duursma and trade down for a Cummings, and could you even guarantee he'd be there. Tigers could use him at 4.

Assuming
1. Duursma (essendon)
2. Sharp (Eagles)
3. CDT (Tigers)
4. ????
5. Cummings (Eagles)

If Tigers took him at 4, would you be happy with giving up on Duursma and having to take someone else?

I think Duursma is projecting the better of the brothers but several thing worry me about him.
The fact that all his family have projected well in the U18's and never reached the heights at the next level, good players but not great players that you select in top 5 imo.
He also projects very much and outside player, good of HB, good wing, more a transition player than projecting a generational mid Bont comparisons that some suggest.
If he was pick 15 or Hawks 1st I could see the benefit but not top 5-10.

The draft is lacking very good mids in the open draft, Sharp is the best inside mid and then there is a group that are more balanced and outside and Cumming is the best of the balanced mids.
Almost all of the outside mids, transition players with speed and skill have had underwhelming years, this imo is why most are rating Duursma so highly as he is probably the only outside player who has had good consistent year.
The outside mids generally are there most years in decent quality except this year, so basically leave them alone in the top 10 and wait for next year if we nail Sharp and Cumming.
What people on here prefer differs and maybe what is best for WC isn't necessarily what is available at pick 1 & 2 in 2025. CDT is a very athletic FWD with no real dominant trait except his athleticism, he doesn't have better than average ruck craft but many see him as the next L Jackson.
He isn't what WC need for our list build, he is a luxury if we have other parts, we have A Reid who is almost as athletic and has proven he has very good AFL traits and decent ruck craft already, plus we have plenty of KPF's.

 

[WCE777]

Assuming 1-2 occurs as you say then Tigers IMO will take two of Cumming, Lindsay and CDT. If we can get Bombers picks 5,6 for 1 and x (hopefully x is Liam Ryan) we can take either Lindsay or Cumming if they are left plus Schubert to develop as a CHB.

If CDT is left clubs will come after him and we can probably trade pick 5 for a slide down to 12-1 3+ a F1 then take a Farrow or Rodriguez type depending on who we select earlier.

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[The Gtrain]

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Jack fractured both his wrists earlier in the year so has fallen down draft boards. Finds plenty of the footy and if he’s there at our 2R I’d have no issues if we took him.

Not surprised with that many handballs