Rumour Bluemour Discussion XLI

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[The Bighouse]

Sorry mate didn't even realise there was one bit of a nube on here

No apologies req’d.
Just copy & paste your previous post into that thread..you’re in!

 

[btdg]

Things don't have to be totally black and white and the supporter/crowd stuff is no doubt part of it for Charlie, but that doesn't really matter.

There's no doubt that our crowd and supporter base is an issue. I've been saying it all year but the atmosphere and general tone is feral at times and there is a tendency for us to jump off and pile on players and to focus on the negatives, particularly at the end of their careers (see: Sam Docherty

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this year, Marc Murphy in his last year). There's also no doubt we are bigger and have had more frustration than most clubs over the journey which feeds into it. Players know this, the media knows it - it's clear. It was particularly bad this year because there was a terrible mismatch between expectations and performance and the club fed into this.

But it is also part of a broad package and the flip side is you get to play in big games on the MCG, in front of 80,000 people, 5-6 times each year. The lights are always on you at Carlton - have even a moderately good year and you'll jump into AA discussion. You'll get a bigger contract and more media and more sponsor opportunities. You get to put your name on the locker with legends of the game, and be part of a club that has 150 years of success and know that whoever turns it around and helps win a flag will be immortal, like Barassi and Jesaulenko and co.

It's all part of the package and every club has their version. Gold Coast means anonymity and nightlife but playing out of a tin shed and having 12,000 spectators. That's not going to appeal to everyone either.

Different players will want the Carlton limelight and others won't, and some will enjoy it for a few years and then want something different late in their career. I certainly don't hold anything against Charlie for that. The feral fans were great fun for 8 years and now if he wants a different experience so be it. I imagine Florent and Haywood coming the other way will rave about how good it is to get big games etc. Consider that Florent has played 186 games in 8 years, and only played in front of 80,000+ fans three times total. His new team mate at half back, Ollie Hollands, has played 16 matches in front of more than 80,000 in 3 years (65 games).

I do think we as supporters can be better at games, and less quick to negativity with the players broadly. Collingwood have turned their crowd and atmosphere into something stifling at their home games and we should be seeking to emulate that because it is winning them games, and that's what we all want, players includes.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If we kicked straighter, we would have cut down the coast-to-coast goals and won more

Maybe. But we wouldn't be winning finals with all the other issues we have...

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Think it would help if we first developed a culture of winning and mongrel first then the fan base will follow. Collingwood fans expect to respond or come back and lift their noise based on history not hope.

Maybe one helps the other. If as supporters we can engender a positive, empowering environment we help in developing a winning culture.

Let’s face it - what we are doing now doesn’t seem to working and potentially lost us a star player.

 

[Chemical]

I'm warming up my booing lungs for the St Kilda match

 

[whySOSserious]

Turns out of you click on Contact us at the bottom of the page & ask very nicely, the BF team may accomodate .

Taking name suggestions then because the thought of the SOS name makes me wanna puke right now

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Good point. He is privy to any issue Charlie had with Carlton. It would be negligent to send 2 of his other clients there. That tells us the issue wasn't Carlton.

I think you are stretching the logic there. Florent and Hayward aren’t flamboyant,highly paid full forwards subject to the type of abuse Charlie would have been.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Hopefully it works out with Vossy. If it doesn’t it’s set up perfectly for Horse to take over with the Sydney influence we currently have (players and staff) the youth we have, the draft capital we have and cap space.

As well as Graham Wright and Chris Davies running the club we are now an attractive and desirable destination whether we go with the experienced and proven (Horse) or the new upcoming assistant.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I reckon the deal was done ages in advance. But the AFL told us and the swans to hold off until the last minute, and GC17 were so pissed off at the AFL stage managing that they left and the Humphrey deal fell through.

You know what would be a cool thing that the AFL could introduce for the National Draft, live trading an established player for the picks you need if you have an academy or f/s player. That would be the ideal way for us to get Humphrey and pick 15 for picks 9 and 11.

Sydney ITK said the same thing. He was under the impression the deal was done the day before and all this bullshit was concocted drama

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

We did.
Phillips won the B&F though, and if I remember right the talk was about him.
Ryan Burton is still out there too if we want more HB/utility depth
Edit - and Frost too

Hopefully we add him next to Weitering in the backline.

 

[ctwenty1]

Youth are the key to success. If they're good enough, they're old enough.

If they’re physically strong enough and good enough then yeah

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Taking name suggestions then because the thought of the SOS name makes me wanna puke right now

Jackedoff?

 

[ctwenty1]

Sydney ITK said the same thing. He was under the impression the deal was done the day before and all this bullshit was concocted drama

Nah

Buku would’ve got done if taht were true

 

[The Blueseum]

Interesting theme that's come up this week about the Carlton fanbase (that's us, but the way).

Charlie's manager noted it's a very tough club to play for when you're not playing well.

Hayward mentioned in his intro video the passionate fans.

Silvagni and TDK both choosing to go elsewhere (the Saints no less!).

I think reading between the lines, here, we're dead-set lunatics and maybe there's something for us to take on board.

Article about Ian Nicoll.

Ian Nicoll – ON REFLECTION

Posts about Ian Nicoll written by KB Hill

kbonreflection.wordpress.com

key quote

Ian knew deep-down that his League career was over. “I was physically and mentally worn out. To be truthful, I never came to terms with all the glamour, the publicity and worst of all, the fickle supporters.”

I cannot find it right now, but there is at least one other past player who mentioned that the main reason they retired from football was the fickle supporters.

If you read player profiles from the early 1980s one of the standard questions was 'what do you dislike the most', good proportion of the answers across the board was fickle supporters.

People do not realise that the supporter base has a big effect on the players, both positive and negative.

 

[HarryFlashman]

The boy has an entire wall of Charlie posters etc to deal with, and an entire shrine dedicated to Jack.

It's going to be expensive to re-model.

Take some photos and tag the players on instagram- they both have fat new contracts they can chip in

 

[GT619]

I laughed when john ralphy called tyson Gresham tyson stengle

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[WalshYouLegend]

Sydney ITK said the same thing. He was under the impression the deal was done the day before and all this bullshit was concocted drama

But if it was all just theatre, why did we miss out on the Buku trade with not enough time to complete with Charlie trade being priority and ending last minute (as stated by Chris Davies)?

 

[GT619]

Hopefully it works out with Vossy. If it doesn’t it’s set up perfectly for Horse to take over with the Sydney influence we currently have (players and staff) the youth we have, the draft capital we have and cap space.

As well as Graham Wright and Chris Davies running the club we are now an attractive and desirable destination whether we go with the experienced and proven (Horse) or the new upcoming assistant.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

But if it was all just theatre, why did we miss out on the Buku trade with not enough time to complete with Charlie trade being priority and ending last minute (as stated by Chris Davies)?

I believe someone said, maybe Soapy V, that the Bulldogs kept changing the deal right up to the last minute

 

[The Bighouse]

Article about Ian Nicoll.

Ian Nicoll – ON REFLECTION

Posts about Ian Nicoll written by KB Hill

kbonreflection.wordpress.com

key quote



I cannot find it right now, but there is at least one other past player who mentioned that the main reason they retired from football was the fickle supporters.

If you read player profiles from the early 1980s one of the standard questions was 'what do you dislike the most', good proportion of the answers across the board was fickle supporters.

People do not realise that the supporter base has a big effect on the players, both positive and negative.

Ha, yes, that was a common dislike.
Steak & chips + beer were some of the favourites

 

[The Bighouse]

I laughed when john ralphy called tyson Gresham tyson stengle

Had to rewind that. WTF did he say…!?

 

[Jimmae]

806 on the new scale.

34 - 360
41 - 220
43 - 184
53 - 28
54 - 14

With the 10% discount, the bid would have to be Pick 17.

You need to factor in the picks disappearing due to Uwland, Patterson, and Annable bids, which probably moves everything up 8 spots at the back, a little less for the higher picks.

So:

30 - 454
36 - 317
38 - 277
45 - 150
46 - 134
50 - 71

That's 1403 points which pays for pick 7.

But we'd max out at 5 further delistings, and that's pulling a few tricks to do that. A more realistic number is 4 for a total of 6 selections at the start of the night, but that's still 1330 points based on this estimate. I still think that realistically covers Dean and Ison.

If Brisbane and Gold Coast trade back further move picks in the teens into pairs of in the 20s, that can continue to help us as well.

EDIT: Ok so apparently we can't take back 41 anyway, so that probably solves the cost issue for the trade, but also knocks things back down to 1086 points alongside pick 2, which covers pick 11.

 

[branedotorg]

Hi all. I will apologise in advance if this question has been asked and or answered in the last 17,000 pages. But what is happening with the assistant coaches? We had an impressive list of candidates we were/are chasing but never really heard how it all played out.
Who did we and didn’t we get?

Coach - Assistant Coach Discussion

We have Voss, so now who will be the Assistants? Seems like McQualter is still contracted. Scarlett taking time out... We have Power. So, who else? Tapping? Lappin? Black? Chaplin? Director of Coaching? (Is this needed?)

www.bigfooty.com

Essentially we are set for assistant coaches although other associated roles (especially development coaches) maybe added over the next month or so.

 

[Numero 31]

Nah

Buku would’ve got done if taht were true

Definitely. You can get the broad contours of an agreement in advance but still not see eye to eye on some smaller details until late in the piece.

 

[gab213]

If they’re physically strong enough and good enough then yeah

100% this, I'm not keen on throwing underprepared and undersized kids to the wolves, especially in KPP positions. We've burned plenty of our young talent this way in the past.