Pauline Hanson - One Nation Party

[Ghost Patrol]

 

[Donakebab]

Joyce has all but held up the white flag on his reps career and made it pretty clear it's all about him with a move back to the Senate.

Greens out-step flat-footed Liberals on crucial deal

The environmental deal is a major win for a government whose critics on the left are calling for it to be more reformist.

www.abc.net.au

Lol no they wouldn't. With the strong assumption that Labor win the next election, I doubt there will be a single piece of legislation that would require negotiation with One Nation over the Greens or the LNP.

One Nation have never been legislators, not regular contributors to meaningful parliamentary business, they are purely a disruptive populist party and Barnaby is simply looking for a cozy meal ticket for 6 more years.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I’ll just cut in here and say it’s a waste of time arguing what’s racism, what’s religious discrimination, what’s cultural discrimination, when they’re all very neatly gathered up in the one word: bigotry.

So let’s stop getting snarled in the irrelevant minutiae and start using a word that used to be very common but has inexplicably fallen out of fashion.

There are very few instances of gross discrimination where “bigotry” doesn’t more than fit the bill.

The problem here is though, and this is my speculation..............

People like poorline actually genuinely believe that 'we're being taken over, we're losing our identity, it's not the same as it used to be!'

I'm gonna speculate that she is genuine in her views and is not being nefarious, but rather she sees herself as 'good for society, give this a chance and you'll see!' - innocently gullible.

The problem is, that in our liberal democracy she IS allowed to hold these views and express them, otherwise that wouldn't be democratic to deny that. A fault of inclusivity? Yeah I think so, still I'd rather our societal model compared to others.

For want of a better term, she doesn't see her bigotry as well bigotry. She sees it as 'well ok I'm blunt but it's what's best for society' - I am convinced she thinks this way.

I might get dismissed from other posters with this view, ok, that's democratic too, have at it.

 

[The Punter]

The problem here is though, and this is my speculation..............

People like poorline actually genuinely believe that 'we're being taken over, we're losing our identity, it's not the same as it used to be!'

I'm gonna speculate that she is genuine in her views and is not being nefarious, but rather she sees herself as 'good for society, give this a chance and you'll see!' - innocently gullible.

The problem is, that in our liberal democracy she IS allowed to hold these views and express them, otherwise that wouldn't be democratic to deny that. A fault of inclusivity? Yeah I think so, still I'd rather our societal model compared to others.

For want of a better term, she doesn't see her bigotry as well bigotry. She sees it as 'well ok I'm blunt but it's what's best for society' - I am convinced she thinks this way.

I might get dismissed from other posters with this view, ok, that's democratic too, have at it.

She is allowed to hold these views and express them, but being a parliamentarian is not a right (otherwise we'd all be one), and the parliament has well-established and well-reasoned rules. We all know what she said because it got significant publicity. At no stage has her freedom of speech been encumbered.

 

[Romeoh1]

The problem here is though, and this is my speculation..............

People like poorline actually genuinely believe that 'we're being taken over, we're losing our identity, it's not the same as it used to be!'

I'm gonna speculate that she is genuine in her views and is not being nefarious, but rather she sees herself as 'good for society, give this a chance and you'll see!' - innocently gullible.

The problem is, that in our liberal democracy she IS allowed to hold these views and express them, otherwise that wouldn't be democratic to deny that. A fault of inclusivity? Yeah I think so, still I'd rather our societal model compared to others.

For want of a better term, she doesn't see her bigotry as well bigotry. She sees it as 'well ok I'm blunt but it's what's best for society' - I am convinced she thinks this way.

I might get dismissed from other posters with this view, ok, that's democratic too, have at it.

I feel you are being a bit generous towards her. She’s a mean -minded person with unpleasant ideas. Not sure how, in this day and age, one could form such anachronistic views, so seems to me to be wilfully nasty rather than innocent. And if she genuinely believes she is working for the ‘good of society’, I’ll eat my hat. Or certainly, her society isn’t one I’d ever like to be part of.

 

[Carringbush2010]

She is allowed to hold these views and express them, but being a parliamentarian is not a right (otherwise we'd all be one), and the parliament has well-established and well-reasoned rules. We all know what she said because it got significant publicity. At no stage has her freedom of speech been encumbered.

Never suggested it was, read back through my posts.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I feel you are being a bit generous towards her.

I wouldn't use generous, I'd use for want of a better term, believe she believes she's doing 'good'

And if she genuinely believes she is working for the ‘good of society’, I’ll eat my hat.

Enjoy hat flavour.

so seems to me to be wilfully nasty rather than innocent.

I'd use blunt rather than willfully nasty.

 

[Seeds]

I’ll just cut in here and say it’s a waste of time arguing what’s racism, what’s religious discrimination, what’s cultural discrimination, when they’re all very neatly gathered up in the one word: bigotry.

So let’s stop getting snarled in the irrelevant minutiae and start using a word that used to be very common but has inexplicably fallen out of fashion.

There are very few instances of gross discrimination where “bigotry” doesn’t more than fit the bill.

We really need to stop using single words as arguments such as racism or bigotry or socialist or woke or trump derangement syndrome. Context always matters. There is not a single word alone that can win an argument without context. Especially when the description of many of these labels is vague and often slighlty different to different people.

If trying to block a religious group from enacting part of their religious faith (such as banning muslim women from wearing burqas) is bigotry as I interpret from your post above then wouldnt also forcing critically ill children who belong to religious sects that are against vaccines and surgery to be treated for the sake of their lives be bigotry? Blocking Christian fundamentalists trying to prevent fetus's from being aborted by women who wish to do so would also be considered bigotry under such a definition would it not? If this is your definition of bigotry then I would argue bigotry isnt a bad thing under certain situtations and therefore you need context to justify why bigotry is bad in the particular case where you claim it to be so. If its not your definition of bigotry then I dont see how bigotry would apply to this case.

You cant just say something is bigotry and be done with it thinking you have made a winning argument through use of the word alone and nothing else. No word has that power on its own. You need to argue.

 

[Festerz]

If Hanson and Joyce were young enough to conjugate, imagine the offspring... ruddy-faced redheads!

And on that point.

Queensland has the highest rate of skin cancer diagnosis of any Australian state - and one of, if not the, highest rates of skin cancer rates in the world for non Indigenous peoples.

So if you're a fair skinned, freckly faced, redhead living in Queensland I would have thought that a head to toe covering like a Burqa when you're out an about is entirely practical and a healthy life style choice.

So bear with me here. Imagine if the AMA issued an advisory on the need for the Queensland Government to mandate Burqa styled full head to toe, including face covering, outfits for all rangas going outside in Queensland as an April Fools joke next year to raise awareness about skin cancer?

Would be the one time in my life I tuned in to Sky News breakfast, that's for sure.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Imagine if the AMA issued an advisory on the need for the Queensland Government to mandate Burqa styled full head to toe, including face covering, outfits for all rangas going outside in Queensland as an April Fools joke next year to raise awareness about skin cancer?


View attachment 2487506

I JUST... DON'T... LIKE IT.

 

[Festerz]

My post from last night got me digging and I was not left disappointed.

Luke McGregor calling out fellow Ranga Pauline Hanson on her burqa ban call.

 

[_Cerberus_]

In recent days, I've learned Hansons fans are toxic and vile as f**k.

I know a couple in person, and also by watching heaps of them online. When you ask them directly, to link any successful policy that Hanson has passed, to help every day Australians, they refuse to answer.

When you point out Hansons voting record on policies, prove that she is nothing but a two faced hypocrite. Including constantly voting against anything to help tackle the housing crisis, voting against keeping TAFE free/accessible, voting in favour of corporations over workers, etc. They ignore you and get heavily defensive.

When you point out that Hansons scapegoating of migrants for the housing crisis, has racist undertones, since facts don't back up the things they or Hanson say or do. Boy does that trigger them hard.

When you point out that Migrants make up for a pissy single digit intake of the housing market. And that we had no migrations for two years around Covid, yet house prices still saw a significant spike, which puts water to their claim that capping migration will lower the costs of housing. When you point out that things like Negative Gearing, and Capital Gains Tax has turned housing from a basic human right, into investment commodities, and the big spikes started in the Howard years. They get defensive saying people have the right to build portfolios, over someones right to even getting access to their first house to start a family and the simplicity of being able to afford to live. When you point out that much of the housing market is hoarded by a handful of individuals and groups, and that we have thousands of properties sitting vacant, it's still somehow the immigrants fault.

When you point out the hypocrisy of her base "Marching For Australia", when the organizers of the rallies have a Dad whose own property portfolio is worth well over 100 million dollars, yet ironically are blaming migrants for causing a crisis caused by their own hoarding.

When you question why they are coming for the migrants, yet heavily defend those who ARE behind the housing crisis, such as do nothing governments, corporations and rich individuals, who hoard and manipluate the market to drive the value of their own portfolios? Again they dodge the question.

I have posted the above a few times. And yesterday I got two messages sent to me. One calling me a "dumb f**k who knows nothing". Which is cute from a group that ignores facts and reason, over reactionary things. And another who threated to sue me for defamation and everything I got, for implying there is some racist undertones to Hansons actions and words, as well as her supporters.

I mean give me a few minutes on X and one would have a field day exposing some of the viles s**t they say. In fact, I messaged some mods on pages about Hanson fans threatening me. And it turns out, Hanson fans by far, threaten to harm or sue people, who say things that they don't like, all the time. It's the Aussie version of Trumpism.

Also if Hanson gives a f**k about the working class. She wouldn't be wining and dining with MAGA, Billionaires, Fossil Fuel companies, the NRA etc. She would actually come after those who above, instead of going for the lazy scapegoat option.

As for their delusions that Hansons speak for the Majority. I like to remind them, that being the loud minority of terminally online people who spend all day biting the rage bait on news pages, and reacting to memes from X/Twitter bot accounts from overseas as facts, does not mean you ARE popular. I like to remind them that Cook beating Andrews as a sure thing was a whimper. That the Libs would bounce back in WA and VIC, ended up driving them further into irrelevance. Clive Palmers parties were voted out of existence, and One Nations wave at the last election, was a small increase with zero seats gained. Most Aussies don't buy into her BS, because they are smart enough to stick to facts not feelings.

 

[JHF1870]

In recent days, I've learned Hansons fans are toxic and vile as f**k.

I know a couple in person, and also by watching heaps of them online. When you ask them directly, to link any successful policy that Hanson has passed, to help every day Australians, they refuse to answer.

When you point out Hansons voting record on policies, prove that she is nothing but a two faced hypocrite. Including constantly voting against anything to help tackle the housing crisis, voting against keeping TAFE free/accessible, voting in favour of corporations over workers, etc. They ignore you and get heavily defensive.

When you point out that Hansons scapegoating of migrants for the housing crisis, has racist undertones, since facts don't back up the things they or Hanson say or do. Boy does that trigger them hard.

When you point out that Migrants make up for a pissy single digit intake of the housing market. And that we had no migrations for two years around Covid, yet house prices still saw a significant spike, which puts water to their claim that capping migration will lower the costs of housing. When you point out that things like Negative Gearing, and Capital Gains Tax has turned housing from a basic human right, into investment commodities, and the big spikes started in the Howard years. They get defensive saying people have the right to build portfolios, over someones right to even getting access to their first house to start a family and the simplicity of being able to afford to live. When you point out that much of the housing market is hoarded by a handful of individuals and groups, and that we have thousands of properties sitting vacant, it's still somehow the immigrants fault.

When you point out the hypocrisy of her base "Marching For Australia", when the organizers of the rallies have a Dad whose own property portfolio is worth well over 100 million dollars, yet ironically are blaming migrants for causing a crisis caused by their own hoarding.

When you question why they are coming for the migrants, yet heavily defend those who ARE behind the housing crisis, such as do nothing governments, corporations and rich individuals, who hoard and manipluate the market to drive the value of their own portfolios? Again they dodge the question.

I have posted the above a few times. And yesterday I got two messages sent to me. One calling me a "dumb f**k who knows nothing". Which is cute from a group that ignores facts and reason, over reactionary things. And another who threated to sue me for defamation and everything I got, for implying there is some racist undertones to Hansons actions and words, as well as her supporters.

I mean give me a few minutes on X and one would have a field day exposing some of the viles s**t they say. In fact, I messaged some mods on pages about Hanson fans threatening me. And it turns out, Hanson fans by far, threaten to harm or sue people, who say things that they don't like, all the time. It's the Aussie version of Trumpism.

Also if Hanson gives a f**k about the working class. She wouldn't be wining and dining with MAGA, Billionaires, Fossil Fuel companies, the NRA etc. She would actually come after those who above, instead of going for the lazy scapegoat option.

As for their delusions that Hansons speak for the Majority. I like to remind them, that being the loud minority of terminally online people who spend all day biting the rage bait on news pages, and reacting to memes from X/Twitter bot accounts from overseas as facts, does not mean you ARE popular. I like to remind them that Cook beating Andrews as a sure thing was a whimper. That the Libs would bounce back in WA and VIC, ended up driving them further into irrelevance. Clive Palmers parties were voted out of existence, and One Nations wave at the last election, was a small increase with zero seats gained. Most Aussies don't buy into her BS, because they are smart enough to stick to facts not feelings.

Can't believe you've only just realized this. My Aunt loves Pauline and she's absolutely cooked, (AND LITERALLY) she's a long time weed user and her head is fried.

The fans of Pauline gloss over everything that doesn't suit the narrative. I guess that's typical of a lot of closed minded people on both sides of politics. I work with a few guys who continue to drive opinions based on entirely flawed logic. I'm basically the minority in my workplace which is filled with Trump loving loyalists. The left people tend to stay quiet or keep their opinions to themselves. Me: I don't subscribe to any party, or political compass bullshit.

It's difficult sitting in the middle and trying to form an opinion that pisses off both the left and the right at the same time. We could look at criminal law as an example where we should be coming down hard on people, but at the same time, those are often the people we've let down, but then again, those are the people (Adults) Who have let themselves down. Do we sentence people who are struggling with mental health, or do we provide adequate systems for rehabilitation.

I guess I'm to the school of thought that we need to immediately place more resources into early prevention, and mental health support. The problems we face as a result of poor resources would require a tiered rehabilitation system. Self administered, state administered.

I still think we need to remove certain people from society permanently (The people who don't deserve to be a part of it. Murderers, R..., CFO's , something neither side have addressed.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Isn't it a puzzling world now where you can't tell the difference between satire and reality? This from 2022;

Pauline Hanson Condemns Use of Term ‘Black Friday’, Saying ‘All Fridays Matter’ — The Shovel

"My inbox has been inundated with ‘Black Friday this’, ‘Black Friday that’. Granted there have been some wonderful bargains. But as yet not a single mention of White Friday. So typical of this country's disrespect for white people”

theshovel.com.au

Pauline Hanson Condemns Use of Term ‘Black Friday’, Saying ‘All Fridays Matter’​

November 25, 2022

One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has moved a motion in the Senate declaring that ‘All Fridays Matter’, following an emotional speech in which she claimed the term Black Friday is racist against white people.

“Once again we see white people being marginalised in this country,” Ms Hanson said. “I refuse to allow this blatant discrimination to continue. Today I demand that the government says, on record, that all Fridays matter”.

The Queensland Senator said the country was in danger of being swamped by Black Friday sales.

“Like so many Australians, my inbox has been inundated with ‘Black Friday this’, ‘Black Friday that’. Granted there have been some wonderful bargains. But as yet not a single mention of White Friday. So typical of this country’s disrespect for white people”...

 

[Ice-Wolf]

‘I wouldn’t move to Victoria’: Pauline Hanson speaks at Melbourne anti-immigration rally

At the Put Australia First rally, which also featured UK far-right activist Tommy Robinson via video, Hanson criticised the Victorian government, saying she would never move here.

www.theage.com.au

At the Put Australia First protest, which also featured UK far-right activist Tommy Robinson via video, Hanson criticised the Victorian government, saying she would never move here.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Vic Labor delivering for Victorians yet again.

 

[Romeoh1]

‘I wouldn’t move to Victoria’: Pauline Hanson speaks at Melbourne anti-immigration rally

At the Put Australia First rally, which also featured UK far-right activist Tommy Robinson via video, Hanson criticised the Victorian government, saying she would never move here.

www.theage.com.au

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Vic Labor delivering for Victorians yet again.

Yeehaa- best news I’ve heard lately.

 

[evolved2]

With you there mate but I still think common sense should come into it when you hold the responsibilities of public office.

Where’s the sense in deliberately throwing lighter fluid on a sparking electrical connection?

While I don't agree with the way Pauline Hanson approached the issue, it does need to be addressed and debated publicly.

Debating the legality of burqas has been done elsewhere, including enforcing limitations on their use in Muslim-majority nations.

If not now, when is a more appropriate time to debate their usage?

 

[evolved2]

Do you think women want to wear wonderbras? If its good enough for them, show me some men wearing them in 30C weather.

That's not a reasonable comparison.

Anatomical differences between men and women explain why one sex wears bras and the other doesn't. Is there any cultural or religious pressure/enforcement on women to wear wonderbras? Will any women be punished because they don't wear a wonderbra?

Freedom includes the freedom to wear a face covering unless exposure is necessary for security purposes. If it's as gentle as "you no longer need to wear your uniform everywhere", then we should be stressing it isn't necessary, but not banning it. Otherwise it's "don't you dare wear that uniform or we will legally punish you" which is a very different message.

How do you expect a burqa-clad woman to assimilate into Australian society?

It just seems like another way to target women of foreign background, who are already targeted for harassment by bigots. And it doesn't recognise that nothing makes some people cling to their religion more than the feeling they're being persecuted. The radicalisation of some Muslim male youth didn't happen because they were treated with equal respect and inclusiveness to any other young men in the West. Aesop figured this out 2500 years ago.

Are you suggesting that the West needs to tolerate the practices of other cultures even if they're inconsistent with Australian values?

I'd like to think the burqa is inconsistent with Australian values. Do any non-Muslim women wear them by choice?

If we want Muslim women to be liberated from restrictive moral values, then we should encourage them to stand up and liberate themselves, not just impose more restrictive moral values upon them. Otherwise we don't really believe in liberation and equality unless we can feel morally superior about it.

How do you propose to do that?

 

[CM86]

While I don't agree with the way Pauline Hanson approached the issue, it does need to be addressed and debated publicly.

Debating the legality of burqas has been done elsewhere, including enforcing limitations on their use in Muslim-majority nations.

If not now, when is a more appropriate time to debate their usage?

So you are active and supportive of looking for ways to help women from Muslim majority countries?

Because you're right, it is an issue and it does need to be discussed.

What are your thoughts on the small percentage of female Muslims in Australia who feel forced to dress the 'right way', due to harassment from pathetic stunts like we've seen repeated by Hanson?

If anything, I'd argue that Hanson has done more to prevent the discussion overall.

 

[Romeoh1]

I see plenty of women wearing hijabs- it’s completely commonplace where I live so I don’t even notice it.
I virtually never see anyone wearing a burqa. Can’t recall the last time I saw one. A rarity. Hanson is full of it. It’s a non issue.

 

[evolved2]

So you are active and supportive of looking for ways to help women from Muslim majority countries?

Because you're right, it is an issue and it does need to be discussed.

What are your thoughts on the small percentage of female Muslims in Australia who feel forced to dress the 'right way', due to harassment from pathetic stunts like we've seen repeated by Hanson?

If anything, I'd argue that Hanson has done more to prevent the discussion overall.

I wouldn't say I actively engage in helping women from Muslim majority nations, but I am supportive of their rights as well as the rights of gays and atheists who are forced to hide for their own safety (In Australia and elsewhere).

No woman should feel pressured to dress the 'right way', and that applies equally to Muslim women.

Issues like migration and cultural change are hot topics with the public. Unfortunately, Hanson/ON are the only political party willing to start the discussion.

 

[Donakebab]

So Pauline's recent spike in popularity saw her draw about 200 people to today's mouth breathing convention.

Pauline for PM!

 

[Ghost Patrol]

So Pauline's recent spike in popularity saw her draw about 200 people to today's mouth breathing convention.

Pauline for PM!

Never underestimate the reach of new wave Pauline influencers, like evolved2 and bunchofnumbers

 

[Gough]

Hanson’s scared of her own shadow because it's black.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

In recent days, I've learned Hansons fans are toxic and vile as f**k.

I know a couple in person, and also by watching heaps of them online. When you ask them directly, to link any successful policy that Hanson has passed, to help every day Australians, they refuse to answer.

When you point out Hansons voting record on policies, prove that she is nothing but a two faced hypocrite. Including constantly voting against anything to help tackle the housing crisis, voting against keeping TAFE free/accessible, voting in favour of corporations over workers, etc. They ignore you and get heavily defensive.

When you point out that Hansons scapegoating of migrants for the housing crisis, has racist undertones, since facts don't back up the things they or Hanson say or do. Boy does that trigger them hard.

When you point out that Migrants make up for a pissy single digit intake of the housing market. And that we had no migrations for two years around Covid, yet house prices still saw a significant spike, which puts water to their claim that capping migration will lower the costs of housing. When you point out that things like Negative Gearing, and Capital Gains Tax has turned housing from a basic human right, into investment commodities, and the big spikes started in the Howard years. They get defensive saying people have the right to build portfolios, over someones right to even getting access to their first house to start a family and the simplicity of being able to afford to live. When you point out that much of the housing market is hoarded by a handful of individuals and groups, and that we have thousands of properties sitting vacant, it's still somehow the immigrants fault.

When you point out the hypocrisy of her base "Marching For Australia", when the organizers of the rallies have a Dad whose own property portfolio is worth well over 100 million dollars, yet ironically are blaming migrants for causing a crisis caused by their own hoarding.

When you question why they are coming for the migrants, yet heavily defend those who ARE behind the housing crisis, such as do nothing governments, corporations and rich individuals, who hoard and manipluate the market to drive the value of their own portfolios? Again they dodge the question.

Of course they do. As you point out later on, they're the section of Australia who would be hat-wearing MAGA were they in America. The American left have proved through a lot of trial and error that you simply cannot ever get though to these people with facts and logic, because they aren't logical, they're emotional. Specifically, they have the feeling they've been terribly wronged by society and should be doing much better financially and socially.

The only good way to reach them is by first agreeing that they're victims of modern society, and then slowly moving the culprit for their victimhood away from migrants and towards the obscenely rich.

It isn't easy, or else it'd be commonplace by now. It takes skilled operators like Mamdani to persuade them of this. But it is possible for some of them. Others are too far deep into their ocean of delusion to ever reach the surface again.

 

[kalex6251]

Issues like migration and cultural change are hot topics with the public. Unfortunately, Hanson/ON are the only political party willing to start the discussion.

its a hot topic amongst sections of the public that make up the RWNJ venn diagram - elsewhere its an overhyped non issue pushed by idiots getting their rocks off frantically waving upside down national flags - are you one of these?