Pauline Hanson - One Nation Party

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[Donakebab]

Paradox of tolerance.

Should we tolerate the subjugation of women just because it's a cultural norm elsewhere?

You mean like denying women autonomy over their own bodies?

https://www.onenation.org.au/pro-life

 

[King Patty]

wouldn't banning the burka be more about freedom for women?


If you can't even debate public space policy without being labelled extreme, how do you talk about difficult issues?

Is it our right to judge other cultural norms?

do you accept all cultural norms?

 

[evolved2]

Is it our right to judge other cultural norms?

Is it right to assume that other cultures want to be more western?

If they want to migrate here, yes.

It is a pretty arrogant position to take.

Nonsense.

 

[evolved2]

There are plenty to be seen if one goes to South western Sydney

No doubt.

but the hullabaloo from Hanson and the usual centrists of this forum are just Helen Lovejoy style panic and I can guarantee that neither Hanson nor any of the centrists have ever come across a Burqa clad woman.

I see them all the time in Melbourne, it's not shocking.

And if they did,

If? You guaranteed something you're reneging on. Hilarious.

it didn't affect their day one bit.

Never said it did. Nice strawman.

They're just riled up because sky after dark told them to be.

I don't watch sky. Do you?

 

[QuietB]

If they want to migrate here, yes.

Nonsense.

Right - so now to migrate to Australia you need to adhere to a uniform code

Seriously WTF

 

[evolved2]

Right - so now to migrate to Australia you need to adhere to a uniform code

Seriously WTF

Nice strawman, champ.

 

[King Patty]

Right - so now to migrate to Australia you need to adhere to a uniform code

Seriously WTF

it would be better phrased as

when coming to Australia you no longer need to wear your uniform everywhere.

 

[rdhopkins2]

Imagine being the sort of person who thinks that these two are capable of presenting a viable vision for Australia's future in our part of the world.

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There are more than a million voters who think just that according to recent polling.

We can only hope they don’t procreate!

 

[Cyg1992]

No doubt.

I see them all the time in Melbourne, it's not shocking.

If? You guaranteed something you're reneging on. Hilarious.

Never said it did. Nice strawman.

I don't watch sky. Do you?

You sure seem really offended about something you claim to see all the time and that supposedly doesn't bother you and your day (sure bra)

And 90% of your talking points are identical to the garbage on Sky. You might not watch it first hand but you definitely swallow it without a breath on socials or listen to it from some bozos at the pub and feel the need to regurgitate it here for some reason.
It's all the same one way or another.

I'm also not a fan of religious modesty clothing but you clearly have a crusade against only one of them. It's blatantly obvious it goes beyond the religion.

Banning an item of clothing from an already marginalised community, will solve absolutely **** all, in fact it'll isolate them and make them feel even a lesser part of our community than they already are.

 

[evolved2]

You sure seem really offended about something you claim to see all the time and that supposedly doesn't bother you and your day (sure bra)

And 90% of your talking points are identical to the garbage on Sky. You might not watch it first hand but you definitely swallow it without a breath on socials or listen to it from some bozos at the pub and feel the need to regurgitate it here for some reason.
It's all the same one way or another.

I'm also not a fan of religious modesty clothing but you clearly have a crusade against only one of them. It's blatantly obvious it goes beyond the religion.

Banning an item of clothing from an already marginalised community, will solve absolutely **** all, in fact it'll isolate them and make them feel even a lesser part of our community than they already are.

I post about Christianity more than Islam.

Christians are easily startled, but they'll soon be back. And in greater numbers 36:11

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[Grin]

Pauline’s a hateful racist fn c, but the Burqa can f right off I reckon

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You must have me confused for someone who is pro-Christian.

I won't ignore the misogynistic dress code of Islam just because it's not a 'white' religion. It's kinda pathetic how easily progressives fall over themselves to placate other faiths tbh.

Do you think women want to wear burqas? If its good enough for them, show me some men wearing them in 30C weather.

Islam (like all religions) has plenty of problems and I wholeheartedly agree that infringements on personal liberties/human rights shouldn't be excused because of cultural sensitivity. Universal human rights are just that, universal. Excusing some shithouse behaviour because it is embedded in another culture or because of some dogmatic backwards religion isn't being tolerant, it's being stupid.

The thing is though Hanson is a racist and bigoted buffoon who used this as a dog whistle to her racist and bigoted base. Has nothing to do with looking out for the rights of Muslim women and everything to do with "I don't even recognise my own country anymore".

 

[GrayRanga]

If Hanson and Joyce were young enough to conjugate, imagine the offspring... ruddy-faced redheads!

Some greying ex ranga's could take umbrage at that imagery

 

[GrayRanga]

So is Barnaby looking at top Spot on the One Nation's NSW senate ticket?

Keep him in red wine for another 6 years?

Now he has left the Nationals and burnt his bridges, wonder if some of the rumours will be explored a bit more fully by the members of the Party who were affected by his actions?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

She really is quite vile.

Vile. And pathetic.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Most academic anthropologists I've seen referenced these days argue that Islamophobia and many other forms of religious and cultural discrimination is a form of racism.

But interested to hear your view on why it isn't.

I’ll just cut in here and say it’s a waste of time arguing what’s racism, what’s religious discrimination, what’s cultural discrimination, when they’re all very neatly gathered up in the one word: bigotry.

So let’s stop getting snarled in the irrelevant minutiae and start using a word that used to be very common but has inexplicably fallen out of fashion.

There are very few instances of gross discrimination where “bigotry” doesn’t more than fit the bill.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

No religion or belief is automatically worthy of respect.

With you there mate but I still think common sense should come into it when you hold the responsibilities of public office.

Where’s the sense in deliberately throwing lighter fluid on a sparking electrical connection?

 

[Gough]

Joyce has all but held up the white flag on his reps career and made it pretty clear it's all about him with a move back to the Senate.

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The environmental deal is a major win for a government whose critics on the left are calling for it to be more reformist.

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There, he said, they'd "have to come to me on each piece of legislation and say 'what are your views?'

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Makes it impossible for these women to assimilate in Australian society.

Symbolises oppression and misogyny towards women.

And perpetuates patronising stereotypes that men are uncontrollable powder kegs of violent lust and require only the merest glimpse of bare female flesh to send them into a frenzy of sexual indignities.

Which is given the lie every single day by the fact that in our modern, multicultural, tolerant society, Muslim men are somehow able to work alongside and socialise with non-Muslim women wearing not much at all, without instantaneously leaping on them and ravishing them.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Do you think women want to wear burqas? If its good enough for them, show me some men wearing them in 30C weather.

Do you think women want to wear wonderbras? If its good enough for them, show me some men wearing them in 30C weather.

wouldn't banning the burka be more about freedom for women?

it would be better phrased as

when coming to Australia you no longer need to wear your uniform everywhere.

Freedom includes the freedom to wear a face covering unless exposure is necessary for security purposes. If it's as gentle as "you no longer need to wear your uniform everywhere", then we should be stressing it isn't necessary, but not banning it. Otherwise it's "don't you dare wear that uniform or we will legally punish you" which is a very different message.

It just seems like another way to target women of foreign background, who are already targeted for harassment by bigots. And it doesn't recognise that nothing makes some people cling to their religion more than the feeling they're being persecuted. The radicalisation of some Muslim male youth didn't happen because they were treated with equal respect and inclusiveness to any other young men in the West. Aesop figured this out 2500 years ago.

If we want Muslim women to be liberated from restrictive moral values, then we should encourage them to stand up and liberate themselves, not just impose more restrictive moral values upon them. Otherwise we don't really believe in liberation and equality unless we can feel morally superior about it.

 

[Gough]

The idea that Hanson was actually standing up for women's rights is just laughable anyway. She's a career crumb maiden.

 

[nut]

So it’s hate Muslims again….
When do the made up terrorist attacks start again?

 

[The Punter]

Joyce has all but held up the white flag on his reps career and made it pretty clear it's all about him with a move back to the Senate.

Greens out-step flat-footed Liberals on crucial deal

The environmental deal is a major win for a government whose critics on the left are calling for it to be more reformist.

www.abc.net.au

But (and this is no defence of Joyce) he's acting rationally in this regard. He moved to the reps to become a minister and eventually Deputy PM. Can't do that from the Senate. I'm sure people were also in his ear as the right candidate to knock off Windsor, which he did. Now that there is zero chance of becoming a minister ever again, the place where he can have the most influence is the Senate. Like he did when he (and none of the other 38) was the 39th Coalition Senator from 2005-2008.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Some greying ex ranga's could take umbrage at that imagery

No issue with rangas, there are some in my family. It's the combination with Beetrooter"s complexion that's scary!

 

[GrayRanga]

No issue with rangas, there are some in my family. It's the combination with Beetrooter"s complexion that's scary!

But he has worked hard over many years of imbibing various legal drugs and poisons to acheive that glowing (or glowering?) visage