Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Sphynx]

I would be treating all such incidents as one offs as it is the individual who decides to be a ****stick. Can risk be reduced yes but gains require increasing complexity and outlay and risk can never be eliminated

So we are hearing these two car loads travelling from Melbourne to Bondi were not known to the gunmen.

How do we explain these as a one off isolated incidents?


Is this all a coincidence?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Not a surprising response, given you’ve showed zero outrage about the event.

Would not showing outrage be merely performative?

 

[Crankyhawk]

So we are hearing these two car loads travelling from Melbourne to Bondi were not known to the gunmen.

How do we explain that as a one off isolated incidents?


Is this all a coincidence?

It’s a one off for those in the car. And have been caught by existing process (I don’t know what the specific charge is)

 

[CarnTheScray]

No, just the obvious Islamophobic ones.

It's usually pretty easy to tell. There's posters quite capable of having a reasonable and rational discussion without being Islamophobic. As an example; The Punter and I are pretty different politically and religiously, but I respect that he can engage with topics in good faith and without racism or Islamophobic commentary even when we disagree.

I am surprised out of all the users here he was the one suspended in this thread. Maybe he made a comment I’m not aware of.

 

[Sphynx]

It’s a one off for those in the car. And have been caught by existing process (I don’t know what the specific charge is)

What do you mean a one off?

Of course each incident is individual.

It's not a conspiracy.

The point is, the motive doesn't seem to be a one off.

 

[adogsfan5]

Because we’ve never had a police operation before in this country.

They believe they were heading back to Bondi again for a voilent act. That is the scary part. Not the police operation. Thought that would be a given.

 

[Crankyhawk]

We don't need to just look after them, we need to stamp it out and try and reduce it as much as possible.

The example of the 2 Jewish bakers in Sydney who shut their doors the night AFTER the shootings, not because of the shootings itself, but because they offered free food in the wake of the event and got inundated with death threats, hate messages and a concerted effort of 1 star reviews....

Like seriously...


Whatever you think of racism in general, it's pretty clear we just need to sort out this one particular minority for the immediate future.

There's a problem.

Should be able to make those who made death threats accountable under existing process

 

[adogsfan5]

I am surprised out of all the users here he was the one suspended in this thread. Maybe he made a comment I’m not aware of.

Been wondering about this too.. he’s such a good poster.

 

[adogsfan5]

Would not showing outrage be merely performative?

Meh. He’s a poster who’s used this event to play labor vs liberal. Not putting up with his smartass antics.

 

[Cotchin 9]

They believe they were heading back to Bondi again for a voilent act. That is the scary part. Not the police operation. Thought that would be a given.

I wonder if they were going there initially to ‘suss’ it out

 

[RubyLovesTheDees]

What exactly do you want them to do in this situation? Lockdown the city?

They obviously are tracking threats, hence how they managed to stop this group an hour away from Bondi Beach.

More transparency

 

[adogsfan5]

I wonder if they were going there initially to ‘suss’ it out

Yeah who knows! Given the initial one was a Jewish event, I thought going back again was a little strange (unless there was another one on).

 

[RCAB]

Not to be callous, but in Australia we have schools that aren't going to get 2000 pound bombs dropped on them. This is a good thing.

Also what gets lost by the international community... is what happened in Bondi is what happens in Gaza EVERYDAY... and WORSE.

Could you imagine if a Bondi was happening EVERY SINGLE DAY to Westerners, on top of starvation, complete lack of security, health, education, freedom... Hope. That's right... you couldn't.

The assymetrical nature of how the USA and Israel have weaponised language by re-framing certain people as terrorists... and others as "moral armies" but simultaneously, killing children like their fish in a barrel on a regular basis and to normalise that, while what's happening in Gaza is not on the mechanical scale of what happened in Germany 80 years ago but given the amount of video footage there is, it's surprising that nearly 100k (most of them women and children) have been murdered since October 7th. And while that date was tragic, is no where near the scale of what's happened in Gaza and for Palestinians since.. and before.


If you watch the video I've linked below with Piers Morgan... you can see that the former IDF spokesperson, literally mocking Palestinians for taking their land, and then simultaneously saying that Palestinians post "fake me woe" videos about their plight. The most disgusting people on earth right now.

Another guest was saying that "Islamophobia isn't real".. But anti-Semitism of course is.

There's no doubt, that both are real. But it's the framing that's the most dishonest part. It's pure gaslighting because there's no other way to frame war crimes and atrocities committed by a genocidal state.

 

[Gough]

Meh. He’s a poster who’s used this event to play labor vs liberal. Not putting up with his smartass antics.

I guess I need to show more of your Chomsky like analysis in coming to the conclusion the dreaded left are responsible for everything bad that's ever happened ever.

 

[faible]

I am surprised out of all the users here he was the one suspended in this thread. Maybe he made a comment I’m not aware of.

Not sure, given the level of comments I've seen from others it would be highly unusual for him to have posted something worse than that in this thread. Maybe something cricket related.

 

[blue boy]

Australians serving in the IDF living among us worries me too.

Australian forces fought alongside US forces in iraq and afghanistan (despite no direct attacks on australia) where 400,000+ civilians died.

By your own logic, you should be worried about the ADF.

 

[DapperDon]

No doubt if LNP were in power and had done exactly the same as Albo, the tone would be significantly different.

Remind me how many people wanted Abbott gone after Sydney Cafe?

 

[DapperDon]

Australian forces fought alongside US forces in iraq and afghanistan (despite no direct attacks on australia) where 400,000+ civilians died.

By your own logic, you should be worried about the ADF.

The ones who committed war crimes worry me, just as any Australian IDF who committed a war crime will too.

 

[Festerz]

Has not acted on any of them, six months later.

That is simply not true.

The Segal Report was 12 months in the making and was given to the government just 5 months ago. Immediate action WAS taken in response to some of its findings including

- the banning of Nazi symbols and strengthened hate crime laws,

- outlawing doxing after the identities of Jewish creatives within a controversial online chat in 2024 were revealed, leading to alleged death threats.

- the creation of a national student ombudsman to deal with complaints within the tertiary sector and Segal tasked with developing a university report card to evaluate measures to promote inclusivity for Jewish students and staff.

- a review by the home affairs department of possible changes to the system that assesses whether a visa applicant has incited or promoted hatred or any vilifying behaviour at any group.

All of these actions were developedin consultation with Ms Segal prior to her report being finalised.

As far as the othere recommendations of the report, surely you understand the reality that careful consideration and consultation on the recommendations from a report takes many months and enacting the legislation to implement the recommendations requires Parliamentary approval - drafting the legislation and regulations commendations is a lengthy process.

And let's not pretend that the Segal Report received universal support - it most certainly did not, not even amongst the Jewish community in whose name it purports to represent.

Jewish Coalition Opposes Anti-Democratic Antisemitism Plan, Calls for United, Whole-of Society Approach

November 14, 2025 The Jewish Council of Australia joins a coalition of nine Jewish organisations in releasing an open letter […]

www.jewishcouncil.com.au

A central limitation of the plan was its failure to engage with the most contested issue in public debate: how to clearly distinguish between antisemitism and legitimate criticism of Israel.

This distinction is complex, but it’s essential to combat antisemitism in the current context.

Because the plan did not clarify this difference, many people rejected it outright. And several of the recommendations are just plainly unworkable - as FJ outlines they border on implementing some form of 'thought crime. I can only imagine the outrage from the same people claiming the Albanese government was too slow in responding to the report if it had immediately tabled legislative action along those lines.

The Liberal Party criticism that the Albanese did not act quickly enough in implementing all the recommendations of the Report within months of its release is disingenuous.

But it should come as no surprise that in light of the weekend massacre at Bondi the PM has now issued a full outline of the specific actions it will take in responding to the Report:

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/reports-and-publications/reviews-and-inquiries/inquiries/australian-govt-response-to-special-envoys-plan-to-combat-antisemitism

I'm sure there will be usual -'too late' bleating. All ignoring the fact that not one of Segal's recommendations would have prevented the Bondi massacre.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Remind me how many people wanted Abbott gone after Sydney Cafe?

The two are not remotely comparable.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

Im anti muslim. And anti christian. Resolutely anti in regards to the muslim and christian ideologies pushing their fake views (based on the weight of evidence) on children, women and society in general. Very much not anti in the right of christians and muslims to exist and enjoy the same human rights and potential for happiness as everyone else.

We need to seperate the religions from the people that particpate in them. They are not the same thing. Religion is not like race. Being anti religion is not a bad thing. Cos religion is not people. Its false ideology that we can and in my view must shed ourselves from if we want a more tolerant, progressive and happy society.

Respectfully - I disagree. At its best religion brings people together to deliver and celebrate many things that are good about us as humans. I believe religion means people are just a little more likely to give to society it doesn’t move the needle that much / I reckon 95 per cent of good deeds would occur without it (possibly higher) but given the number of people in the world who are part of a religion makes a measurable difference. Perhaps more importantly I believe religious institutions have infrastructure and networks in place to make those contributions more effective and wide ranging.

Very sadly, just as religion is an avenue for good it is also one for evil - used by others as a means to perpetrate and promote truly vicious and hateful acts and rhetoric. I strongly believe that it is incumbent on those in leadership positions in these institutions to call out the evil in their own rank and not close ranks as they have done in the past.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[blue boy]

Who would've thought that Australia of all places would end up being somewhere where people would be afraid to be openly Jewish.

Reading this thread,

The ones who committed war crimes worry me, just as any Australian IDF who committed a war crime will too.

Well seeing as over 400,000 civilians died at the very least in the us/iraq wars, compared to around 40,000 in gaza, im sure you could infer that far mire war crimes were commited in afghanistan and iraq. By both us forces and the ADF, as well as the brits.

The point is that the other poster saying they are worried about idf in australia is utterly ludicrous. Equating the level of threat with that of a jihadist. Idf are no different in personalities then adf or us forces personnel. Normal people.

 

[DapperDon]

The two are not remotely comparable.

Of course they aren't, only one can be blamed on Albo.

The other was just a mad gunman with a homemade ISIS flag shooting innocents with a legal gun in NSW

 

[Vassp]

Really? They had a massive, peaceful march across the Sydney Harbour Bridge.

One peaceful march out of how many? It's the rhetoric that is fueling hatred. not saying they are rioting.
If we don't curb this, it will not end well. I've been saying this for months.

Just heard on the radio this morning that the Jewish people and supporters want to march in Melbourne and are not allowed for obvious reasons.

 

[faible]

Reading this thread,


Well seeing as over 400,000 civilians died at the very least in the us/iraq wars, compared to around 40,000 in gaza, im sure you could infer that far mire war crimes were commited in afghanistan and iraq. By both us forces and the ADF, as well as the brits.

The point is that the other poster saying they are worried about idf in australia is utterly ludicrous. Equating the level of threat with that of a jihadist. Idf are no different in personalities then adf or us forces personnel. Normal people.

The IDF is committing war crimes en masse. Any Australian who looks at what the IDF is doing and says 'yep this is for me' should be a worry. Same as any who see what ISIS is doing and think 'yep that's for me'.

I also fully support charging any and all ADF members involved in committing war crimes, crimes against humanity or violations of IHL.