Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Markfs]

What a bizzare, prejudiced summation. What does Israel have to do with a proposal like this, let alone their defense force?

Here's an example after 2 minutes research. I'll put a small part of the saga here...

HWMW joined the Australian defence force in 2004. In 2008, he obtained a negative vetting 1 security clearance – allowing access up to classified resources up to Secret. This was upgraded to negative vetting 2 – Top Secret access – in 2010.

He joined a Sydney community security group (CSG) as a volunteer between 2014 and 2023. The CSG is a community organisation that provides security and intelligence services to the Jewish community.

HWMW travelled to Israel in 2016 and in 2019, to participate in CSG training courses, which included tactical planning, self-defence and firearms training. The courses run by an organisation called Ami-Ad, an association promoting volunteerism in Jewish communities, and financed by the Israeli government. The trainers on the course were former members of the Israel Security Agency, he said.

Australian defence force officer stripped of security clearance over loyalty to Israel

Asio believed the man, anonymised as HWMW, was at risk of being exploited by the Mossad

www.theguardian.com

 

[Markfs]

What a bizzare, prejudiced summation. What does Israel have to do with a proposal like this, let alone their defense force?

Further comment from simple question to AI, relating to my bizarre prejudiced reference....is google AI a hotbed of ISIS?

Yes, reports indicate that the
Israel Defense Forces (IDF) offers training to members of the Community Security Group (CSG), a Jewish community security organization.
The training, which reportedly includes self-defense, tactical planning, and firearms handling, has been organized through an Israeli government-funded association called Ami-Ad. The trainers for these courses have previously served in the Israeli intelligence agencies or the IDF itself.
Key points regarding this training:

• Location: The training courses for CSG members are conducted in Israel.
• Funding: The training trips are reportedly funded by the Israeli government.
• Security Concerns: For Australian citizens with security clearances (like a former Australian Defence Force officer whose case was widely reported), attending foreign-government funded training without Australian government knowledge raised "potential concerns" for the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO).
• Recruitment Pool: A former CSG member told authorities that the training courses could be considered a "natural recruiting pool" for the Mossad, an Israeli intelligence agency.

CSG is an organization that provides security and intelligence services to Jewish communities in various locations, including Sydney and Melbourne, Australia.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

A local Jewish security group could soon be allowed to carry weapons in Sydney, as the NSW government considers options in response to the Bondi massacre last Sunday.

The NSW premier, Chris Minns, was asked by Sky News reporter Sharri Markson on Tuesday if “there’s an argument for the Jewish security, the CSG (Community Security Group), to have weapons so they could respond to serious threats like this”, to which Minns replied: “Yes, I do.”

The IDF on sydney streets. Thank god I live in WA.

Heaven forbid Jews - and Israel - be able to defend themselves

 

[Gough]

Heaven forbid Jews - and Israel - be able to defend themselves

Are Jewish people special? I've seen a shit load more racism and homophobia in this country than I've ever seen anti semitism, do we get guns too?

 

[Gough]

Let's give everyone guns to "protect" themselves, then nothing bad will happen.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Are Jewish people special? I've seen a shit load more racism and homophobia in this country than I've ever seen anti semitism, do we get guns too?

Yes they are, right now. These are just ordinary people who are trying to live their lives, privately and unobtrusively. They’ve been singled out as targets; for a long time verbal, being excluded, harassed, threatened, blamed for a war overseas. Including their children! Now being killed.

No other identity group is receiving this treatment openly and publicly and shamelessly, and with such hate. In Australia! The home of fair go!

People don’t know history, or have twisted it to support their agenda. Even (or especially) on progressive Bigfooty boards the trend is to blame and persecute, not support and set a positive conciliatory attitude. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Let's give everyone guns to "protect" themselves, then nothing bad will happen.

Your avatar, back at ya.

 

[Gough]

Yes they are, right now. These are just ordinary people who are trying to live their lives, privately and unobtrusively. They’ve been singled out as targets; for a long time verbal, being excluded, harassed, threatened, blamed for a war overseas. Including their children! Now being killed.

No other identity group is receiving this treatment openly and publicly and shamelessly, and with such hate. In Australia! The home of fair go!

People don’t know history, or have twisted it to support their agenda. Even (or especially) on progressive Bigfooty boards the trend is to blame and persecute, not support and set a positive conciliatory attitude. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

There are Aboriginal Australians rolling on the floor laughing reading this.

 

[cartwright]

Yes they are, right now. These are just ordinary people who are trying to live their lives, privately and unobtrusively. They’ve been singled out as targets; for a long time verbal, being excluded, harassed, threatened, blamed for a war overseas. Including their children! Now being killed.

No other identity group is receiving this treatment openly and publicly and shamelessly, and with such hate. In Australia! The home of fair go!

People don’t know history, or have twisted it to support their agenda. Even (or especially) on progressive Bigfooty boards the trend is to blame and persecute, not support and set a positive conciliatory attitude. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Muslims aren’t harassed? Ask a Muslim woman if she’s not harrassed. FMD the ignorance and arrogance is outstanding.

Go on, advocate guns for all.

 

[Markfs]

Heaven forbid Jews - and Israel - be able to defend themselves

They defended themselves against the young girl on the left...

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

And what about Jews that give absolutely zero shits about Israel and Palestine, where do they fall in your spectrum?

I notice you haven’t troubled to show if, as per this post of mine you’re replying to, you can find any right wing Jewish organisations who are declaredly fighting for human rights for both Jews and Palestinians.

Just in the course of our exchanges a few hours ago I pointed out several instances where you had misunderstood or misrepresented what I’d said, and not once did you acknowledge or take on board those instances, and just went straight on with further nitpicking semantic questions.

So why should I keep responding to you? It’s clear you’re not actually trying to get to the bottom of issues, your only intention is to carp and cavil.

 

[Vindicater]

Another horrible outcome of this tragedy is that it has brought Avi Yemini back into the media frame.

 

[Sphynx]

I notice you haven’t troubled to show if, as per this post of mine you’re replying to, you can find any right wing Jewish organisations who are declaredly fighting for human rights for both Jews and Palestinians.

Just in the course of our exchanges a few hours ago I pointed out several instances where you had misunderstood or misrepresented what I’d said, and not once did you acknowledge or take on board those instances, and just went straight on with further nitpicking semantic questions.

So why should I keep responding to you? It’s clear you’re not actually trying to get to the bottom of issues, your only intention is to carp and cavil.

You need to clarify your definition? What’s a right wing Jewish organization?

Also, you seem to be showing your true intentions here.

“fighting for human rights for both Jews and Palestinians”


You mean Israeli’s don’t you? Or is someone

 

[Gough]

Being seen as the victim is key tenet of religion, without emotional blackmail they can't exist and the Zionists are milking this for all it's worth. All the other faiths are green with envy at the moment.

Those who disagreed with this, why? Jesus died for your sins makes it pretty clear who the victim is here. Quick, better build lavish and ornate buildings to acknowledge the poor bugger's suffering.

 

[Markfs]

Minns takes action

Recreational firearm owners are set to be restricted to four guns while farmers and sports shooters would only be able to own 10 firearms.

There doesnt seem to be a point in owning a gun if you cant have 11 of them...

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Terrific piece from early this year by Sarah Schwartz from the Jewish Council of Australia.

Well worth a re-read in the light of last week’s events.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...footballs-it-makes-all-of-us-less-safe-ntwnfb

 

[T2B_]

Those who disagreed with this, why? Jesus died for your sins makes it pretty clear who the victim is here. Quick, better build lavish and ornate buildings to acknowledge the poor bugger's suffering.

One of the red thumbs is from a cowardly poster who'll never reply, so you won't get an answer from that one.

But yeah even as someone who was raised predominantly Christian, I don't think you're wrong, in terms of organized religion. Big business that.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You need to clarify your definition? What’s a right wing Jewish organization?

Also, you seem to be showing your true intentions here.

“fighting for human rights for both Jews and Palestinians”


You mean Israeli’s don’t you? Or is someone

OK now I know you’re not arguing in good faith.

Our whole exchange started with you describing the JCA as “far left”. I took issue with you portraying it as a left-right thing, pointing out their primary position was equal respect for the rights of all, including Palestinians.

Now you want to know who are the right wing Jewish groups? Take a hike.

 

[Gough]

One of the red thumbs is from a cowardly poster who'll never reply, so you won't get an answer from that one.

But yeah even as someone who was raised predominantly Christian, I don't think you're wrong, in terms of organized religion. Big business that.

It's actually laughably stupid, be good in life or it's the naughty corner and bed with no dessert for eternity. All those secular blood donors after this must just have been wasting their time if nobody is watching and marking their work.

 

[Jameggins]

Yes they are, right now. These are just ordinary people who are trying to live their lives, privately and unobtrusively. They’ve been singled out as targets; for a long time verbal, being excluded, harassed, threatened, blamed for a war overseas. Including their children! Now being killed.

No other identity group is receiving this treatment openly and publicly and shamelessly, and with such hate. In Australia! The home of fair go!

People don’t know history, or have twisted it to support their agenda. Even (or especially) on progressive Bigfooty boards the trend is to blame and persecute, not support and set a positive conciliatory attitude. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Try walking around wearing a hijab, then come back and say "no other identity group is receiving this treatment"

Muslims have been suffering this hate for decades and Islamophobics like you have never cared.

Shouldn't Muslims also be protected after 51 of them were murdered? Unsurprisingly you never had a word to say about it.

 

[Hoop1888]

People don’t know history, or have twisted it to support their agenda. Even (or especially) on progressive Bigfooty boards the trend is to blame and persecute, not support and set a positive conciliatory attitude. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Nonsense. You sound like one of those bots on Twitter. You think anyone who has a problem with what Israel is doing to Palestinians are just "Jew haters" Grow up, ffs. People were killed in a synagogue in England 2 odd months ago - did Netanyahu give Starmer a lecture about how Jews are treated in England? Or with █████ when the folk were shot outside the embassy? Did he ****. And why would he criticise two of Israel's biggest arms suppliers.

The horrible irony is, if a country is called antisemetic, they're probably doing something right, be it calling out Israel for what they're doing or having the audacity for calling for a 2 state solution.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Nonsense. You sound like one of those bots on Twitter. You think anyone who has a problem with what Israel is doing to Palestinians are just "Jew haters" Grow up, ffs. People were killed in a synagogue in England 2 odd months ago - did Netanyahu give Starmer a lecture about how Jews are treated in England? Or with █████ when the folk were shot outside the embassy? Did he ****. And why would he criticise two of Israel's biggest arms suppliers.

The horrible irony is, if a country is called antisemetic, they're probably doing something right, be it calling out Israel for what they're doing or having the audacity for calling for a 2 state solution.

Palestinians don’t want a two state solution. They’ve been offered it many times. They want Israel and all Jews wiped out. That’s all they want.

So you’re agreeing that being anti Israel is antisemitism.

Mod Edit: this claim has been amended here, as it is misinformative to claim that Palestinians don't want a two state solution.

 

[sherb]

Agreed.

But his comments are not the cause of this anger. You had people screaming at Albo from the moment the gunmen we’re shot dead.

Frydenberg, spoke what, 48 hours later?

Further, he’s blasted the shit out of the ALP on antisemitism for 18 months.

It’s not recent. If anything he’s being consistent.

All the more reason for him to choose his words carefully and, importantly, to get them correct.

 

[Hoop1888]

Palestinians don’t want a two state solution. They’ve been offered it many times. They want Israel and all Jews wiped out. That’s all they want.

Again, nonsense. Israel is about expansionism, not a 2 state solution and many Israelis talk about how Christians, Jews and Muslims lived side by side without much trouble not so long ago. How peculiar Rabin was assassinated not so long after the Oslo accords, which a US diplomat (Kerry, IIRC) said the Palestinians would have been crazy to agree to it.

 

[sherb]

The JCA are a far left organization.

You can’t use their opinion as gospel and claim people are simply disagreeing with them on political grounds and then disregard sections of the same community because their messages are aligning with the right side of politics and you don’t like what they are saying…

Both have something to say and worth listening to atm imo. I enjoy Sarah’s opinion, I’m also not dismissing angry members of their community because they seem to have sided with the LNP over the ALP.

Neither speak for their entire community and both are absolutely biased.

Which specific policies of the JCA makes it far left?