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Do not post conspiracy theories on this forum. We have an entire other forum for that.

Thanks all.

 

[bzparkes]

Attacks other posters for inconsistency of position, while not highlighting Trump's inconsistency of position ("Maduro bad, Netanyahu fine!").

That in itself is inconsistent on his part. Plus it holds posters here to a loftier standard than the US president.

Nobody asked me for my opinion on Netanyahu but when people cry about a country arresting one leader on an international arrest warrant then say they'd celebrate another, that's the true inconsistency of position because it shows they'll happily support it when it aligns with their politics and they don't actually think it's bad at all.

This is off tangent but put it this way: The Democrats were up in Arms when Trump did the whole "lock her up!" spiel in his 2016 campaign. He then proceeded to to nothing about it.

Democrats tried multiple times to prosecute Trump prior to the 2024 election and failed to impact his popularity. I spoke with a number of people after Trump was elected this term who were adamant Trump would start prosecuting Democrats, which clearly hasn't happened.

They were very happy to weaponise the system against him(including impeachments in 2019 & 2021) but were terrified when they thought it would happen to them.

It's obnoxious for people to play the moral high ground whilst supporting the same actions when they align with their political ideology.

People just need to be honest and say they're fine with it.

 

[bzparkes]

Wait until they find out how many people Obama deported.

Yeah but it was good when he did it.

If Trump said today half the stuff Obama did in his presidency, they'd be furious.

 

[Mofra]

Well you just got rid of a bloke who runs a drug cartel and I have no doubt there'll be some kind of plea bargain for him to rat out his associates.

At the very least, the cartels will no longer have the support of the Venezuelan government and fentanyl will no longer enter the USA via Venezuela.

Trump has pardoned more than one drug kingpin recently. Fentanyl is an excuse, not a reason.

This is about personal advantage, not drug supply or democracy.

 

[Ludovico]

Ever read "Diary of an Economic Hitman"?

It sets out what you've described in great detail. Trump doesn't do anything that he doesn't personaly benefit from. This looks like a false dawn in Venezuela.

If anyone is interested in what MCM's plan is (if she is ever in power) this gives an idea.

Basically a mass privatization of Venezuelas assets seeking foreign investment to power growth in exchange for a share in the wealth.

Interesting that she has apparently been sidelined so far. My guess is that Trump wants the privatization but not the pesky return to the rule of law. He wants his cronies and family to be the ones who reap the benefits.

María Corina Machado’s Trillion Dollar Plan for Venezuela’s Economic Transformation

The opposition leader and her economic advisors unveiled their proposal for reviving the country’s productive potential alongside a democratic transition.

www.as-coa.org

 

[RCAB]

Who cares..... But outcomes matter, not intentions.

It's interesting how your first line kind of contradicts the last line then simultaneously agrees back in a way.

You're basically advocating for pure instrumental nihlishm here.

 

[Mofra]

The gold reserve being unpegged from the US dollar and the dollar essentially ending up as the world's reserve currency in 1971 is actually the major contributing factor to where we find ourselves today.

In the USA today, the top 1%(those earning over $600k) pay over 40% of all federal income taxes. You want them to pay even more?

They receive billions in corporate welfare though, directly and indirectly. Amazon, the Koch brothers, etc pay off senators to keep the minimum wage artifically low enough for their workers to require millions of $$$ in food stamps just to survive.

Those low wages translate to massive profits for the top 1%.

 

[Gough]

Trump has pardoned more than one drug kingpin recently. Fentanyl is an excuse, not a reason.

This is about personal advantage, not drug supply or democracy.

Mar a Lago would be awash with blow. The whole place looks like it was designed by an architect hunched over a mirror thinking "yeah that looks awesome".

 

[Mofra]

Mar a Lago would be awash with blow. The whole place looks like it was designed by an architect hunched over a mirror thinking "yeah that looks awesome".

Blow, 'securing' classified documents - those bathrooms are getting a hell of a workout there

 

[RCAB]

The people of Venezuela get nothing right now, because despite sitting on the largest oil reserves in the world, their entire industry collapsed.

Venezuela's hyperinflation got so bad for a few years people literally threw away their cash int he garbage, as it was completely worthless.

It's recovered somewhat but people still convert their currency to anything else as quickly as possible.

Do you think ousting a corrupt dictator, who ran the country into the ground, and establishing a proper oil industry again is going to make the country even worse?

It'll create 10s of thousands of jobs, boost the GDP and companies will pay taxes to the democratically elected government. Even if the USA takes a large slice of the pie, the quality of life for the average Venezuelan will massively improve.

You have replaced a fat brownish moustached dictator with an fat orange dictator, what's changed for Venezuelans really?

 

[bzparkes]

You have replaced a fat brownish moustached dictator with an fat orange dictator, what's changed for Venezuelans really?

Hopefully plenty good for them but as I said earlier, I won't be holding my breath expecting it.

 

[NonPhixion]

And that was a disgraceful disaster that resulted in open slave markets in Libya.

Qaddafi was far from perfect but he did drag Libya into the 20th century and built public, medical and educational infrastructure that improved the countries standard of living enormously.

far from perfect is being pretty nice

 

[Cooldude]

US Imperialism defense playbook, check for Iraq, Libya, Saddem, Gadafi etc etc:

1. "So you support a murderous dictator? We are getting rid of a bad guy here!"
2. "Their people would welcome us, the US will make their lives better"
3. "They have drugs/WMDs" whatever bullshit smoking gun they're trying to invent
4. BUT OBAMA

 

[ferball]

far from perfect is being pretty nice

Its just a matter of degree.

Leonid Peltier was only released less than a year ago in the US.

Lex Wotton was targeted and locked up then released and gagged by the government as part of Qld's parole conditions.

They're just two examples but I could bore you to tears with pages of them.

We like to think our democracies are perfect wbut even with all the protections and safeguards they provide things still get ****ed up and dissent is punished and silenced.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Hopefully plenty good for them but as I said earlier, I won't be holding my breath expecting it.

But of course there is also the spin-off benefit of stopping all that fentanyl from flowing into the US via Venezuela, no?

Though I note you still haven't provided any evidence on this claim. I'm sure you'll get around to it once you stop whining about other posters calling your bullshit.

 

[JackOutback]

If anyone is interested in what MCM's plan is (if she is ever in power) this gives an idea.

Basically a mass privatization of Venezuelas assets seeking foreign investment to power growth in exchange for a share in the wealth.

Interesting that she has apparently been sidelined so far. My guess is that Trump wants the privatization but not the pesky return to the rule of law. He wants his cronies and family to be the ones who reap the benefits.

María Corina Machado’s Trillion Dollar Plan for Venezuela’s Economic Transformation

The opposition leader and her economic advisors unveiled their proposal for reviving the country’s productive potential alongside a democratic transition.

www.as-coa.org

Well, she did steal Trump’s peace prize.

 

[RCAB]

Hahaha if you posted that two hours ago we wouldn't be arguing. Jesus.

You said it was about fentanyl. Which is dumb. That's what kicked things off.

He asked AI to generate a response for him and that's what it largely spit out. Have a look at the syntax, its very different to his earlier posts.

 

[RCAB]

Ah I see. This has nothing to do with Venezuela and more to do with you hating Trump.

Time to move on.

You don't hate Pedo's too?

 

[DaTBird187]

Wait until they find out how many people Obama deported.

How many did Obama's administration snatch off the streets and send to prisons in countries these immigrants were not from? All without any due process.

I'll await your answer with anticipation.

 

[DickieKnee]

Trump has pardoned more than one drug kingpin recently. Fentanyl is an excuse, not a reason.

This is about personal advantage, not drug supply or democracy.

He's pardoned over 1600 people this term.

 

[DaTBird187]

Mar a Lago would be awash with blow. The whole place looks like it was designed by an architect hunched over a mirror thinking "yeah that looks awesome".

It's a liveable Pimp Cup.

 

[E Shed]

Democrats tried multiple times to prosecute Trump prior to the 2024 election and failed to impact his popularity. I spoke with a number of people after Trump was elected this term who were adamant Trump would start prosecuting Democrats, which clearly hasn't happened.

Are you for real? The only reason most of Trumps political foes aren't in jail is because even with a crooked justice department and a rigged Supreme Court he can't get indictments to hold up.
The Justice Department supposedly the bastion of ethical legal procedure illegally appointed a judge to go after Jack Smith because the legally appointed one resigned rather than bring a prosecution with no legal basis to it.
Please note the bolded below with the number of individuals he's gone after since being elected.

And this is without even getting into the Media Organizations, Universities, Law Firms, Tech Companies, etc he's been shaking down to get them to tow the line.

I asked Google AI how many lawsuits he has attempted since the start of his second term.
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how many people and or corporations and or universities and or government departments has Trump tried to sue or mitigate against in his second term?

In the first year of his second term (2025–2026), Donald Trump and his administration have been involved in hundreds of legal actions. While the administration is frequently the defendant (sued by others challenging his executive orders), it has also proactively used the Department of Justice (DOJ) and lawsuits to target political rivals, state laws, and specific institutions.

1. Government Departments & Political Opponents

The Trump administration has used the DOJ and executive authority to pursue or "retaliate" against specific government figures and political opponents.

• Criminal Prosecutions: As of late 2025, the DOJ had initiated criminal prosecutions or investigations against at least six high-profile individuals, including former FBI Director James Comey, former National Security Advisor John Bolton, and New York Attorney General Letitia James.
• Retribution Lists: By November 2025, reports indicated that Trump had targeted or threatened at least 470 people and organizations for various forms of "retribution," including legal action and firing.
• War with the Judiciary: In a rare move, the administration sued all 15 federal district judges in Maryland in June 2025 to challenge standing orders that slowed down deportation efforts.

 

[bzparkes]

You don't hate Pedo's too?

Of course I do, as I said in response to that person I want the files released in full and Trump arrested if he's implicated, which I presume he is.

I don't have to say that in response to every poster who says "You don't condemn Trump over Venezuela so that means you support pedos, RAWR!".

It's obnoxious behaviour.

 

[Elroo]

Ah I see. This has nothing to do with Venezuela and more to do with you hating pedos.

Time to move on.

Amended, and correct, anyone within nodding distance of reality dislikes/hates, pedo's.

 

[BomToydd]

 

[boncer34]

How have the Venezuelan people reacted?