The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[Saint]

In the absence of any policy.
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The person who cared least in my family about the flag, the constitution, the anthem and Australia Day was my grandfather who fought in the war.

Even amongst who they imagine to be their target demographic, they're completely wide of the mark in many instances.

Ignoring economic policies because everyone knows they don't work and focusing on culture wars like this is going to get the Liberal Party obliterated for good.

 

[aCunningPlan]

The person who cared least in my family about the flag, the constitution, the anthem and Australia Day was my grandfather who fought in the war.

Even amongst who they imagine to be their target demographic, they're completely wide of the mark in many instances.

Ignoring economic policies because everyone knows they don't work and focusing on culture wars like this is going to get the Liberal Party obliterated for good.

Yeah I don't understand this. My grandfather was a staunch Liberal but as a proud Irish Catholic could not care less about keeping the flag as it is...he loved Australia and whatever flag we have, but he had no tie to the Union jack.

 

[peetoo]

Let’s call it out for what it is

It’s policy laziness on the right. Much easier to dog whistle and wedge. Even the nuclear power thing was a ruse to extend coal power.

But inevitably they have wedged themselves big time

 

[Festerz]

Media outlets noted that a significant problem for the Coalition under Sussan Ley was the resentment of older, relatively low educated males towards a woman leading what has always been an XY chromosome led alliance.

The Morgan poll released yesterday was based on a relatively small sample size but analysis of it shows the Coalition finally back in front of One Nation mainly on the back of a significant increase in male support.

Coalition back in front of One Nation following change of Liberal Leader and men swing heavily to the L-NP - Roy Morgan Research

New Coalition Leader Angus Taylor has led the Liberal-National Coalition back in front of One Nation on his first weekend as Liberal Leader with the Roy Morgan Poll showing primary support for the L-NP Coalition up 3.5% to 23.5%, and One Nation down 3.5% to 21.5%.

www.roymorgan.com

According to Morgan, “men swung heavily to the Coalition on a two-party preferred basis on the weekend with the L-NP on 52.5% (up 8.5%) compared to the ALP on 47.5% (down 8.5%). In contrast, for women, there was a slight improvement for the ALP on 62% (up 1%) compared to the L-NP on 38% (down 1%).”

That leaves the ALP on 32%, the Coalition on 23.5% and One Nation on 21.5%, for a two-party preferred (2PP) outcome of 55-45% to Labor. That compares to 56.5-43.5%, with Labor on 33%, in November, prior to the Bondi massacre.

Getting a suit, blue tie, and a pair of testicles RM Williams back in charge of the Liberal Party seems to be helping the Coalition get back those voters who were toying with One Nation, but has done feck all in challenging ALP dominance.

 

[peetoo]

It’s well known Hanson is a woman so these voters are gaslighting themselves

 

[JackOutback]

In the absence of any policy.
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And The West Australian ran an opinion piece that it was "great to see the Liberal Party focusing on policy again".

 

[pjcrows]

In the absence of any policy.
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The main moment that saw the Lib vote crater last election was the Trump/MAGA rhetoric. And they're going to double down.

It's a legitimate possibility that those currently steering the ship are quietly One Nation double agents.

 

[Festerz]

Sounds like Karvelas interviewing Tim Wilson, so that'd be my guess.

You were right.

And extremely disappointing as a result.

Given the events of the past weeks on the conservative side of politics this was an opportunity for the ABC to present something timely, relevant, unique and in-depth.

Instead we got a bit of a vanity project from Karvelas that was lazy, shallow and full of tired, hyperbolic nothingness that looked rushed and lacking proper editorial context. Full credit to the sound editor though - the edited sounds of singing magpies and mood music in the background long shots was top notch.

IMO This was a huge disappointment from the ABC's flagship current affairs program and yet another sign, as if one was needed, of how far the quality of ABC political reporting and analysis has fallen in recent years.

 

[The Punter]

You were right.

And extremely disappointing as a result.

Given the events of the past weeks on the conservative side of politics this was an opportunity for the ABC to present something timely, relevant, unique and in-depth.

Instead we got a bit of a vanity project from Karvelas that was lazy, shallow and full of tired, hyperbolic nothingness that looked rushed and lacking proper editorial context. Full credit to the sound editor though - the edited sounds of singing magpies and mood music in the background long shots was top notch.

IMO This was a huge disappointment from the ABC's flagship current affairs program and yet another sign, as if one was needed, of how far the quality of ABC political reporting and analysis has fallen in recent years.

IMO this happened quite some time ago. I recently rewatched, back to back, the series done on most of the Hawke/Keating years (Labor in Power) and the one done on the Howard years. They were chalk and cheese. While the internal dynamics inside the Hawke Government was dealt with, significant policy analysis was also entered in to. By 2008 when Howard's years got the retrospective, it was a lot about the horserace. My memory is Killing Season was even worse in this regard. Nemesis glossed over a whole bunch of stuff that happened in the Turnbull and Morrison Governments.

Four Corners is a weekly show when nightly news and daily newspapers are often seen as too slow to deal with emerging stories. Clearly they were trying to be topical but for a show like Four Corners, this is a fool's errand. It should zag and look to be more like Last Week Tonight with John Oliver without the laughs, looking at stories in depth and taking as long as is needed.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

You were right.

And extremely disappointing as a result.

Given the events of the past weeks on the conservative side of politics this was an opportunity for the ABC to present something timely, relevant, unique and in-depth.

Instead we got a bit of a vanity project from Karvelas that was lazy, shallow and full of tired, hyperbolic nothingness that looked rushed and lacking proper editorial context. Full credit to the sound editor though - the edited sounds of singing magpies and mood music in the background long shots was top notch.

IMO This was a huge disappointment from the ABC's flagship current affairs program and yet another sign, as if one was needed, of how far the quality of ABC political reporting and analysis has fallen in recent years.

It did seem to barely scratch the surface from my perspective. Tony Barry was predictably worth listening to and I also enjoyed Charlotte Mortlock's insights that people in Canberra now have their finger "on the pulse... of their algorithms" - I think a lot of us in modern society, myself included, are guilty of that to an extent.

 

[Not Important]

i'm no fan of taylor. i'm confident he'll stumble on a daily basis, and his past "business" dealings will haunt him, but i thought he generally handled the 7.30 interview quite well. not that sarah tested him much.

 

[QuietB]

Au pairs are back baby

Nanny vouchers and tax offsets floated by Liberals

Angus Taylor has challenged Anthony Albanese’s legacy goal of universal childcare, saying it is too expensive and too inflexible.

www.afr.com

Oh, and Tim Wilson is going to be shadow treasurer

Bloody hell

 

[Festerz]

Au pairs are back baby

Nanny vouchers and tax offsets floated by Liberals

Angus Taylor has challenged Anthony Albanese’s legacy goal of universal childcare, saying it is too expensive and too inflexible.

www.afr.com

Ordinary Australians applaud this.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Nah mate we want you to stand up for housing affordability, and a fair tax system where the big miners at least pay something for the privilege of ripping our natural wealth out of the earth and flogging it off overseas, and urgent action on climate change, and getting the corruption of big money out of politics, and a decent public education system and public health, and the same sort of positive future for our kids that our generation enjoyed before your lot came along.

Who the **** have you been listening to?

Surely in an era with that much data an information at thier fingertips they wouldn't so ****ing clueless.

 

[Romeoh1]

Bunch of incompetent meanies. What a shadow cabinet . Sigh.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Chandler Shadow Finance Minister

 

[pjcrows]

Angus Taylor: We need to move on from the past.

Also Angus Taylor: Say hello to my cabinet straight out of 1950.

 

[RedOrWhite]

In the absence of any policy.
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He's such a pathetic little dill

 

[Gough]

He's such a pathetic little dill

Given the hiding they got at the last election you could say the Libs are the modern embodiment of the Anzacs.

 

[RedOrWhite]

Given the hiding they got at the last election you could say the Libs are the modern embodiment of the Anzacs.

The ANZAC's would find the modern Liberal Party equally pathetic and cringeworthy.

 

[Festerz]

I vaguely remember a TV ad from a few years ago and there was a short cut to a guy sitting on a bench with the voice-over "...or just lacking in general manliness".

Patterson is that guy.

Even the addition of spectacles and a beard in his 30s couldn't stop him from being the guy who epitomised every member of every university Liberal Club in every state and territory of Australia for the past 50 years.

 

[pjcrows]

Keating called the start of the right wing slide 30 years ago.

 

[Seeds]

Fantastic. Great Move. Well done Angus.

Housing - market ruined by Howard policies
Gas companies paying little tax - Abbott "Axe the Tax"
Health crisis - Liberals privatised the entire sector and it is a disaster
Social media driven populism - again, Liberals did nothing

Angus is not the answer to any question worth asking.

No he isnt the answer. No party is right now.

 

[Seeds]

Labor don't even bother chasing The Green vote because they know they will get it before the Liberals do.

Why can't the Liberals Learn that Labor are never going to get the vote from the right. Those votes are always going to preference back to the Liberals - there is no reason to chase them.

If that means your primary vote suffers a little so what - barely any seats are settled on primary vote.

This was correct a year ago. It may not be now as one nation preferences may not be flowing to the libs. Instead lib preferences will be flowing to one nation.

 

[pjcrows]

This was correct a year ago. It may not be now as one nation preferences may not be flowing to the libs. Instead lib preferences will be flowing to one nation.

That's a myth.

There also simply aren't enough seats there for One Nation to make a dent in from Liberal preferences.