Player Watch #20 Sam Reid

[Kennedy Parker]

Sam Reid

Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

’s outstanding athleticism and strong contested grab make him a genuine threat inside 50. The 2012 premiership forward showed exactly that when he booted six goals in the Sydney Swans’ clash with Collingwood in Mark Grook at the SCG to win the 2019 Goodes-O’Loughlin Medal. The 2009 draftee can also play as a loose man in defence or pinch-hit in the ruck. Reid has had very little luck on the injury front in his time in red and white, but he didn’t miss an AFL match in 2019. He’s played 143 career games at the top level for a return of 154 goals.

Sam Reid

20

Sam Reid

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

DOB: 27 December 1991
DEBUT: 2010
DRAFT: #38, 2009 National Draft
RECRUITED FROM: Wangaratta Rovers (Vic)/Murray U18

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[Tedeski]

Ben Reid was caught prattling on 5 years ago anyway, so I wouldn't put any thought towards it.

I wonder what's holding up his and Jones' signature though. There may well be salary cap pressure at the Swans, as some of the new contracts may have already taken the salary cap close to new maximum (Mills & Heeney). If that's the case, we've got to ditch Tippett, as there's no way in hell that's worth losing Reid & Jones, especially when he's going to be pissed off in a season anyway.

It's not that!
So we can't give Sam what he wants next year, but we can back end it when Tippo finishes.
The club hasn't shown evidence of incompetency for years with their list management, even though the media has tried to tarnish it publicly. The fact remains that we are aggressive list managers & will no doubt give up someone good to get someone we need.
For example losing Mummy got us Buddy!
People will say ................but yeah, you could have done better with Mummy. But the fact remains we have made two GFs out of 3 since that decision was made.
So I personally think, the question with Sam Reid is not are we going to lose him because of a cap problem but are we prepared to let him go, in order to improve our on field position going forward, by recruiting a suitable player?
I hope we keep Sam but not if we spend money on him that will get us a superior player for a position we have a deficiency in.

Same goes for all our players
Big money is for match winners only! Apart from the odd exception, we have done ok with this scenario.
Lockett, Hall. Is Sam Reid a match winner? Was Tom Mitchell a match winner?
Not saying I have the answer but just throwing out some thoughts.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

It's not that!
Big money is for match winners only! Apart from the odd exception, we have done ok with this scenario.
Lockett, Hall. Is Sam Reid a match winner? Was Tom Mitchell a match winner?
Not saying I have the answer but just throwing out some thoughts.

Tom Mitchell. No. Sam Reid. Yes. Reid is judged far too much by how many contested marks he takes. Leaving aside that contested marks for a forward are getting pretty rare these days due to midfield pressure and better organised defences, Reid is an immense player for his type in staying in contests once the ball hits ground level. He had a shocker against Hawthorn prior to being injured but worth taking notice of his handball from inside up on the wing which released a runner and resulted in a goal*. There are very few players of his size who are capable of that and even in games where he doesn't take his marks, he's still always in there at ground level effecting contests to our advantage.

*13.20 to go in the second. Handball released Jones who found Franklin who found Papley.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Keeping Reid is paramount. His signature is at least as important as Jones'.

Reid is one of those players who you don't realise we need until he's gone.


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[Tedeski]

Keeping Reid is paramount. His signature is at least as important as Jones'.

Reid is one of those players who you don't realise we need until he's gone.


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Do you think we should give Sam 700K though?
This is where it gets a little cloudy for me.

 

[The Swans Blog]

CHF in a premiership winning team. Enough said.

He was pretty handy on that day too. Slotted one through from distance if I recall.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Do you think we should give Sam 700K though?
This is where it gets a little cloudy for me.

Absolutely no question. And others will offer him $800k-$900k.

 

[The Swans Blog]

$2m/3 years would be fair imo.

550
650
800

 

[brad cooper]

Im of the opinion we cant lose in this Sam Reid situation. We're going to offer him a decent pay packet, if he stays great i rate him and would prefer he stays. If by chance he's offered a bigger contract elsewhere and he accepts we'll end up with another first rounder which would end up being straight after our first pick. This would be better compo than we'd get on the open market.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Keeping Reid is paramount. His signature is at least as important as Jones'.

Reid is one of those players who you don't realise we need until he's gone.


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Like last year... when we made the GF... without Reid...all year

 

[CheapCharlie]

I dont reckon Sam Reid has performed anywhere near his 'potential'. I say potential, because there has been a lot of tal about him but he has never really lived up to expectations.

He had a good game against the Doggies...A doggies team which looked a little lost to be fair. Against the Hawks, he had a game to forget....Really, it was easy to forget he was on the ground he was unsighted that much.

Then there is a question about injury. He seems to be easily injured.

With the expected increase in players payments next year by 20%, it is a lot of money sloshing around, but really you can just add 20% to the salaries of each player across the board.

While in reality , that wont happen, some players will receive huge windfall and be paid over the odds.

However, if Reid is on 500k now and receives a 20% interest that is only 600k.

If his worth has gone up in the market place, and it only takes one serious rival to push the worth up, then 800k could easily be the new figure needed for retention

 

[RW]

Do you think we should give Sam 700K though?
This is where it gets a little cloudy for me.

Put it this way, if someone offers Reid 700-800k and we decide he isn't worth that much, then that's fair enough, but we would need to replace him with someone who can play a similar role for less money. When Tadhg Kennelly retired, we identified run from defence as a weakness and signed the player in your avatar. This recruitment raised eyebrows at the time but he was dirt cheap and it paid off in the end. Personally think Reid will stay as I don't know if he will be offered that much. It's probably a wait and see what offers are forthcoming at the end of the season. His asking price will depend on how he performs in the second half of the year too.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Like last year... when we made the GF... without Reid...all year

And would have won it.......without question........with Reid.

 

[CheapCharlie]

And would have won it.......without question........with Reid.

There would be a lot of questions as to that statement

 

[Grongey]

The remainder of this season will define Reid's future. He'll need to play consistently.

If so, he'd be offered upwards of $800k, which we'd struggle to match. Collingwood would love to have him.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

There would be a lot of questions as to that statement

Every day......at some point......Horse says to himself "I should have played Reid".

Every Blood I have spoken to who's connected to the club nods quietly when I put this proposition. And they all say "You'll never realise just how close he was."

 

[Tedeski]

Im of the opinion we cant lose in this Sam Reid situation. We're going to offer him a decent pay packet, if he stays great i rate him and would prefer he stays. If by chance he's offered a bigger contract elsewhere and he accepts we'll end up with another first rounder which would end up being straight after our first pick. This would be better compo than we'd get on the open market.

This is good thinking & makes me a little more comfortable. There is no doubting that his assets & ability is worth 700K per season but is his body's history?

Interesting times & I guess when all unfolds, it will be fodder for all our discussion/arguments/ taunts with each other as to who was right.

No doubt the statisticians among us will gain the early upper hand with some quality bullshit but then I will take pride in out bullshitting them with my loyalty!

 

[GotTheGoodes]

This is good thinking & makes me a little more comfortable. There is no doubting that his assets & ability is worth 700K per season but is his body's history?

Interesting times & I guess when all unfolds, it will be fodder for all our discussion/arguments/ taunts with each other as to who was right.

No doubt the statisticians among us will gain the early upper hand with some quality bullshit but then I will take pride in out bullshitting them with my loyalty!

I agree mate - I love Reidy and am a big supporter of his. Have always been.

However trying to bring the other side of the argument to the table. Injury and poor form have haunted him and will continue to do so. Even if he has a good season IMO.

Let's use Tippo as an example. Based on his year last year (excluding late season injury form) he would have commanded another good contract had it been up. Had that been the case and we re-signed him then I'd suspect a lot of us on here would be filthy at the club given what he's produced thus far this year.

I kind of put Reidy in a similar situation. Constant injury & form issues throughout his career then smashes out a good year (contract year) - Fairly consistent, important structurally, un-injured and having the odd big game or two. Well worth signing up and locking in... That is until he has yet another inconsistent, poor year with injury/form issues (as has been the constant throughout his career).

FWIW, I want us to sign him up and lock him in. I rate him highly and think he can finally turn it around and be super important for us. The only concern I have is injury (look at him & his brother, it might be genetic) and confidence (stop moving him around Horse!!)... If he can overcome those two factors then I suspect he'll keep delivering as he started the year. But signing him up still has that risk that all the "cons" thus far in his career might pop up again without notice.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Every day......at some point......Horse says to himself "I should have played Reid".

Every Blood I have spoken to who's connected to the club nods quietly when I put this proposition. And they all say "You'll never realise just how close he was."

And that just about sums up Reid's career.... 'He is just so close..."

As for the GF, First game back... He would have added nothing.

Reid as the savior has been floated for how long now? About 5 years...

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

And that just about sums up Reid's career.... 'He is just so close..."

As for the GF, First game back... He would have added nothing.

Reid as the savior has been floated for how long now? About 5 years...

I don't think he's a saviour. Saviours are for Carlton and Richmond. Reid, though, is a key cog in a team that has been competitive for about 15 years. And I have no doubt that if he'd played, we'd have won. X Richards offered next to nothing.

 

[CheapCharlie]

I don't think he's a saviour. Saviours are for Carlton and Richmond. Reid, though, is a key cog in a team that has been competitive for about 15 years. And I have no doubt that if he'd played, we'd have won. X Richards offered next to nothing.

I like your faith in being able to predict the future with such certainty...or in this case, predicting an alternate reality(by adding a squeeze of lemon to the recipe) based on a past reality that has already happened.

I find it easier to predict a future based on the actual past, and the frustrating fact is that Reid has been a great big overpaid tease for Sydney. Generally below average, he has played some standout games, but has overall underachieved on a massive scale...perhaps his long and generous contract of 5 years added unfair weight of expectation.

Do we risk another 5 years of underperformance on a contract some 50% higher than it is now?

However it plays, I can predict with certainty , that Reid will be getting paid way over his performing monetary worth

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I like your faith in being able to predict the future with such certainty...or in this case, predicting an alternate reality(by adding a squeeze of lemon to the recipe) based on a past reality that has already happened.

I find it easier to predict a future based on the actual past, and the frustrating fact is that Reid has been a great big overpaid tease for Sydney. Generally below average, he has played some standout games, but has overall underachieved on a massive scale...perhaps his long and generous contract of 5 years added unfair weight of expectation.

Do we risk another 5 years of underperformance on a contract some 50% higher than it is now?

However it plays, I can predict with certainty , that Reid will be getting paid way over his performing monetary worth

Well every key forward does (bar a couple of exceptions). That simply comes with scarcity.

I've written elsewhere above that Reid delivers far more than simply pack marks and goals. He stays in a ground contest like no other key forward in the game, Buddy included. What Reid would have delivered on Grand Final day, and I am certain of this, is accountability. XR's absence of any presence whatsoever allowed the Dogs backmen to be completely unaccountable. Reid might have put physical pressure on the likes of Easton Wood, who were allowed to throw their filthy weight around with abandon.

It probably wouldn't have been Reid's best game, but it wouldn't have needed to be.

 

[Syd]

The remainder of this season will define Reid's future. He'll need to play consistently.

If so, he'd be offered upwards of $800k, which we'd struggle to match. Collingwood would love to have him.

Consistently Forward?
Consistently Back?
Consistently in the Ruck?

Therein lies the developmental 'delay' for mine.

Give him a job and stick him to it.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Well every key forward does (bar a couple of exceptions). That simply comes with scarcity.

I've written elsewhere above that Reid delivers far more than simply pack marks and goals. He stays in a ground contest like no other key forward in the game, Buddy included. What Reid would have delivered on Grand Final day, and I am certain of this, is accountability. XR's absence of any presence whatsoever allowed the Dogs backmen to be completely unaccountable. Reid might have put physical pressure on the likes of Easton Wood, who were allowed to throw their filthy weight around with abandon.

It probably wouldn't have been Reid's best game, but it wouldn't have needed to be.

We can agree it wouldn't have been Reid's best game.

Reid would have given us nothing on GF day.... Not one game played in 2016 and you would expect him to come in and be accountable enough to make a difference?
The pressure and intensity of a GF is a bit above a return game in the NEAFL Bruce

As it was , we gambled with some fringe and injured players and look how that turned out.

Perhaps in an alternate reality (or the reality made of hindsight where it couldn't have been worse if we picked him) he could have been the Swans Messiah for 2016, but in the actual reality we had, he was rightfully left out.

 

[The King!]

Well every key forward does (bar a couple of exceptions). That simply comes with scarcity.

I've written elsewhere above that Reid delivers far more than simply pack marks and goals. He stays in a ground contest like no other key forward in the game, Buddy included. What Reid would have delivered on Grand Final day, and I am certain of this, is accountability. XR's absence of any presence whatsoever allowed the Dogs backmen to be completely unaccountable. Reid might have put physical pressure on the likes of Easton Wood, who were allowed to throw their filthy weight around with abandon.

It probably wouldn't have been Reid's best game, but it wouldn't have needed to be.

Reid stays in a ground contest like no other forward? Whats that mean sorry?

 

[Tedeski]

Reid stays in a ground contest like no other forward? Whats that mean sorry?

I think it means if Reid played in the GF, then the Bulldogs would have lost.
Hey Bruce?
I agree!