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Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
I do however doubt your ability to understand what is written.
I don't doubt you're reading ability.
I do however doubt your ability to understand what is written.
Smyth94
Norm Smith Medallist
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
I admit my bias however, my claim isn't the hogwash you speak of.
How many 2nd year KPP can move like Ryder, has the skills of Ryder, the athleticism? Not many I can tell you that much.
This guy has Adam Goodes stamped all over him.
I admit my bias however, my claim isn't the hogwash you speak of.
How many 2nd year KPP can move like Ryder, has the skills of Ryder, the athleticism? Not many I can tell you that much.
This guy has Adam Goodes stamped all over him.
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
The athleticism that Goodes possesses is amazing. Ryder doesn't have it, nor does any other AFL player. Ryder is well above average in terms of mobility/athleticism for a KP player. But put him up against the elite midfielders in Judd and Bartel and do you really think he'll even stand a chance? Sorry, but I can't see that. I can see him being a premier ruckmen/backman.
Goodes can match it with the elite smaller men at ground level, and also the big men. He's a freak.
He is extremely talented. But in no way an Adam Goods types player.
The athleticism that Goodes possesses is amazing. Ryder doesn't have it, nor does any other AFL player. Ryder is well above average in terms of mobility/athleticism for a KP player. But put him up against the elite midfielders in Judd and Bartel and do you really think he'll even stand a chance? Sorry, but I can't see that. I can see him being a premier ruckmen/backman.
Goodes can match it with the elite smaller men at ground level, and also the big men. He's a freak.
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Smyth94
Norm Smith Medallist
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
Whilst Goodes has supberb athleticism he is 6'4'', Ryder is 6'6'' - there is a big difference. I would argue that bar his leap, Pavlich is as equally as athletic as Goodes.
I don't buy the "do you really think he'll even stand a chance against a Judd et al" argument - Why would you throw someone such as Ryder in the middle to tag Judd? I would be more concerned about how I can exploit Ryder's height, skills and mobility rather than worry about pacy midfielders.
Whilst Goodes has supberb athleticism he is 6'4'', Ryder is 6'6'' - there is a big difference. I would argue that bar his leap, Pavlich is as equally as athletic as Goodes.
I don't buy the "do you really think he'll even stand a chance against a Judd et al" argument - Why would you throw someone such as Ryder in the middle to tag Judd? I would be more concerned about how I can exploit Ryder's height, skills and mobility rather than worry about pacy midfielders.
coley
Senior List
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
i personally havent seen much of ryder. but an intersting match up from what ive seen would be ryder v buddy franklin
both can run
both can mark
both agile
wouldnt mind seeing this
i personally havent seen much of ryder. but an intersting match up from what ive seen would be ryder v buddy franklin
both can run
both can mark
both agile
wouldnt mind seeing this
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
This has already happened, in the second game last season. It was a good contest.
This has already happened, in the second game last season. It was a good contest.
Smyth94
Norm Smith Medallist
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
Ryder v Buddy will be fascinating in years to come. At the moment Buddy has the edge in body strength, also Hawthorn's superior midfield compared to Essendon will also work favourably toward Buddy.
They played on each other during the rematch, Buddy kicked 4 goals I think, but Ryder played a very good game considering we got smashed in the middle.
Ryder v Buddy will be fascinating in years to come. At the moment Buddy has the edge in body strength, also Hawthorn's superior midfield compared to Essendon will also work favourably toward Buddy.
They played on each other during the rematch, Buddy kicked 4 goals I think, but Ryder played a very good game considering we got smashed in the middle.
budge11
Norm Smith Medallist
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
I'm confused.
Are people re-doing the draft to suit what their teams require at this present time, or based on current form and development or as players in the future?
I'm confused.
Are people re-doing the draft to suit what their teams require at this present time, or based on current form and development or as players in the future?
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- #88
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
Agree with Ellis. Hasn't done much so far. But I would move Birchall into the top 5. Jones, Hurn, Ryder and Warnock are behind Birch.
Agree with Ellis. Hasn't done much so far. But I would move Birchall into the top 5. Jones, Hurn, Ryder and Warnock are behind Birch.
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Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
I really rate Dale Thomas, I'd have him over Murphy anyday.
There's a lot of good players Richmond missed out on by selecting JON at #8. I think he'll improve this year but not sure how much.
Some at the club have said he'll be the best kid of the lot - a big statement!
I really rate Dale Thomas, I'd have him over Murphy anyday.
There's a lot of good players Richmond missed out on by selecting JON at #8. I think he'll improve this year but not sure how much.
Some at the club have said he'll be the best kid of the lot - a big statement!
Smyth94
Norm Smith Medallist
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
Ryder behind Birchall - only in your dreams.
Only Murhpy, Pendlebury and perhaps Thomas are ahead of Ryder at the moment.
People lets not forget Ryder is a KPP (longer to develop) so the fact that he had such a solid start to '07 is quite impressive.
Ryder behind Birchall - only in your dreams.
Only Murhpy, Pendlebury and perhaps Thomas are ahead of Ryder at the moment.
People lets not forget Ryder is a KPP (longer to develop) so the fact that he had such a solid start to '07 is quite impressive.
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
Birchall has been the better player in the first 2 years they have been on AFL lists.
Birchall has more improvement left in him.
Jones won't get much better than he alreday is.
Jones is a good player, but Birchall's skills, height, and pace will make him a formidable player.
Birchall has been the better player in the first 2 years they have been on AFL lists.
Birchall has more improvement left in him.
Jones won't get much better than he alreday is.
Jones is a good player, but Birchall's skills, height, and pace will make him a formidable player.
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
Here's a different take...
Who would you take now if you had the same picks? Taking into account that extra players have been added to your list also... For the Hawks:
3: Pendleberry (instead of Ellis)
6: Ryder (instead of Dowler - we need defenders more than forwards. Picked up Thorp in 2006 and Roughy performing well forward).
14, 18, 22 - Keep Birch, Bailey and Muston.
Would consider using one of the first two picks on Higgins, although hopefully Rioli can fill the small, fast, skilful forward/midfielder role.
Here's a different take...
Who would you take now if you had the same picks? Taking into account that extra players have been added to your list also... For the Hawks:
3: Pendleberry (instead of Ellis)
6: Ryder (instead of Dowler - we need defenders more than forwards. Picked up Thorp in 2006 and Roughy performing well forward).
14, 18, 22 - Keep Birch, Bailey and Muston.
Would consider using one of the first two picks on Higgins, although hopefully Rioli can fill the small, fast, skilful forward/midfielder role.
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
From what I've seen which is mainly reserved to the WA teams:
Hurn- Not really sold on him yet, great kick but he needs to get more of it. Would be good to see if he moves into the midfield how he goes.
Warnock- Definitely looks the goods and once he puts more weight on hopefully he can dominate the ruck taps more. Doesn't get as much of it as Cox etc but it took others a while to really come on so time is on his side.
Drum- Seems like people are judging him on potential as he hasn't done a hell of a lot yet. One really good game against Adelaide but not a hell of a lot more. Seems to do better at AFL level than in the WAFL so hope he gets backed in more.
Jones- From what I've seen he looks awesome. Areal tough nut who goes in hard and wins the ball. Great to watch
The rest I haven't seen much of so I can't really make comment
From what I've seen which is mainly reserved to the WA teams:
Hurn- Not really sold on him yet, great kick but he needs to get more of it. Would be good to see if he moves into the midfield how he goes.
Warnock- Definitely looks the goods and once he puts more weight on hopefully he can dominate the ruck taps more. Doesn't get as much of it as Cox etc but it took others a while to really come on so time is on his side.
Drum- Seems like people are judging him on potential as he hasn't done a hell of a lot yet. One really good game against Adelaide but not a hell of a lot more. Seems to do better at AFL level than in the WAFL so hope he gets backed in more.
Jones- From what I've seen he looks awesome. Areal tough nut who goes in hard and wins the ball. Great to watch
The rest I haven't seen much of so I can't really make comment
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melbourne150
All Australian
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
What a stupid comment....how can you say someone who is only coming into there third season(and only turned 20 a few weeks ago) isn't going to get much better??
Jones has been a stand out during pre-season and him and McLean have been dominating the time trials.....
his fitness is incredible,(much better than last season) he is very strong, his hardness at the ball is second to none, and has very good skills(wich will naturally get better as he gets older) and will have ALOT more confidence going into 2008 after having an awesome 2007, comeing third in the rising star, and coming second in melbourne's B&F....And Hopefully he runs with the ball more and takes more players on because he has an Awesome side step......
Jones>>>>>>>Daylight >>>>>>>>Birchall
Birchall is weak and gets crappy cheap disposials wich don't have any influence on the game at all!!!
What a stupid comment....how can you say someone who is only coming into there third season(and only turned 20 a few weeks ago) isn't going to get much better??
Jones has been a stand out during pre-season and him and McLean have been dominating the time trials.....
his fitness is incredible,(much better than last season) he is very strong, his hardness at the ball is second to none, and has very good skills(wich will naturally get better as he gets older) and will have ALOT more confidence going into 2008 after having an awesome 2007, comeing third in the rising star, and coming second in melbourne's B&F....And Hopefully he runs with the ball more and takes more players on because he has an Awesome side step......
Jones>>>>>>>Daylight >>>>>>>>Birchall
Birchall is weak and gets crappy cheap disposials wich don't have any influence on the game at all!!!
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
My bad, meant to say he won't get better after the 2008 season. Doesn't have the body to improve much from then.
Birchall weak and crappy? Watch the Elimination Final against Adelaide. Was our third best player behing Buddy, and Hodge.
Birchall has had a awesome pre-season and is getting ready to move into the midfield. Has the versatility to play as a defender, and even a third tall.
Birchall is a jet.
Jones is a good player, Birchall will be a GUN.
My bad, meant to say he won't get better after the 2008 season. Doesn't have the body to improve much from then.
Birchall weak and crappy? Watch the Elimination Final against Adelaide. Was our third best player behing Buddy, and Hodge.
Birchall has had a awesome pre-season and is getting ready to move into the midfield. Has the versatility to play as a defender, and even a third tall.
Birchall is a jet.
Jones is a good player, Birchall will be a GUN.
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
Thats what you're entitled to, I rate Jones and would like him at Hawthorn, but I would just rather Birchall. Has more improvement left in him, and IMO has been the better player thus far.
Thats what you're entitled to, I rate Jones and would like him at Hawthorn, but I would just rather Birchall. Has more improvement left in him, and IMO has been the better player thus far.
TheGreatBarryB
Hall of Famer
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
Leave it to you blokes to discuss the order, but one thing you've got to agree on, it's looking like a hell of a good draft!! Quite a few future 200 gamers there.
Leave it to you blokes to discuss the order, but one thing you've got to agree on, it's looking like a hell of a good draft!! Quite a few future 200 gamers there.
High Ryder
Premiership Player
Re: 2005 Afl draft Re-Done
If they re-did the draft sure output would have influences in some case but if anything it would still be on potential to improve. Ryder for example who was seen as a risky selection being a bottom aged player and not keen to move away from WA. IMHO which is biased he would go yop 3 if it was redone. Pendlebury, Murphy and Ryder are classes above the rest.
If they re-did the draft sure output would have influences in some case but if anything it would still be on potential to improve. Ryder for example who was seen as a risky selection being a bottom aged player and not keen to move away from WA. IMHO which is biased he would go yop 3 if it was redone. Pendlebury, Murphy and Ryder are classes above the rest.
