Draft Review 2008 - Re-do the 2008 draft

[Wild Bill]

Dat selective quoting. The bio from the EFC website is his 2012 review and you chopped the quote from The Roar to suit your argument, conveniently leaving out both the fact that he was performing really well up forward until injury and that when moved down back he played great.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/07/05/what-to-do-with-michael-hurley/

What killed him this year was a lack of continuity due to yet again being smashed by injury. His ankle bothered him through the NAB Cup, injured his wrist in round 4 against St Kilda in the 3rd, then in his second game back he was concussed by Sauce Merrett in the opening moments of the round 8 game, his ankle again in the second quarter against Richmond the following week, then finally his wrist again in round 12. Plus the whole ASADA cloud over his head couldn't have helped, but that's another discussion for a different board.

He had the ankle reconstructed over the off season which should see him complete a full pre-season and thankfully there was no reoccuring soft tissue injury in the hamstring that bothered him all of last year, however the major concern is it has always been is the persistent wrist. Injury can't be used as a endless excuse as you can have loads of talent and it means jack if you can't stay on the park, however it has to be taken into consideration when discussing confidence and form. I've got no doubt that if Hurley gets a decent run with injury and can build some confidence he'll deliver in spades, but to me right now it's more of an if rather than a when.

And for the record, I've wanted him to stay down back since day dot.

His excuses are running out. Running under the flight of the ball and miss timing so many marking chances has zero to do with injuries. I have not seen another player get so much of a free pass for mediocre performances.

 

[Donakebab]

His excuses are running out. Running under the flight of the ball and miss timing so many marking chances has zero to do with injuries. I have not seen another player get so much of a free pass for mediocre performances.

He does have an issue with timing leads at times, but this is hard to work on when he's injured and can't put this into practice in match situations. Although once again timing isn't the biggest problem, it's clunking the marks he does have a chance to take. He gets plenty of opportunities that are markable but they just don't stick, again this comes down to his wrist.

As for free passes for mediocrity, look in your own back yard at the frequently injured tall who's constantly shuffled back and forward.

 

[Wild Bill]

He does have an issue with timing leads at times, but this is hard to work on when he's injured and can't put this into practice in match situations. Although once again timing isn't the biggest problem, it's clunking the marks he does have a chance to take. He gets plenty of opportunities that are markable but they just don't stick, again this comes down to his wrist.

As for free passes for mediocrity, look in your own back yard at the frequently injured tall who's constantly shuffled back and forward.

Agree - disappointing.

Not sure who we give a free pass to. Hanson had a great 2013 and Grima has played forwarded for 5 mins of his career - 5 mins Hooker would prefer to forget.

 

[Donakebab]

Agree - disappointing.

Not sure who we give a free pass to. Hanson had a great 2013 and Grima has played forwarded for 5 mins of his career - 5 mins Hooker would prefer to forget.

Yes the fact Hurley has a bad wrist is disappointing.

So Hansen finally cracked the top 10 in your B&F with an 8th placing in his 7th season, what about the previous 6 years?

 

[Wild Bill]

Yes the fact Hurley has a bad wrist is disappointing.

So Hansen finally cracked the top 10 in your B&F with an 8th placing in his 7th season, what about the previous 6 years?

No one hides behind him being disappointing. No excuses - but he finally broke out. No need to make up moon boots and sore wrists for him.

 

[Donakebab]

No one hides behind him being disappointing. No excuses - but he finally broke out. No need to make up moon boots and sore wrists for him.

That's nice, doesn't change the fact that he was given a free pass up til then. Meanwhile Hurley proved his worth in his 3rd year and was acknowledged as such with a 3rd placing in the B&F. I'm happy to give the guy a break and see what he can do with a clean run at it next year.

 

[Wild Bill]

That's nice, doesn't change the fact that he was given a free pass up til then. Meanwhile Hurley proved his worth in his 3rd year and was acknowledged as such with a 3rd placing in the B&F. I'm happy to give the guy a break and see what he can do with a clean run at it next year.

He was smashed by our supporters and became a whipping boy - no way did ge get the hurley free pass. Hurley has been worse than Hanson but gets excuse after excuse. There is a very good reason why he is one of the most prominent players on the over rated thread.

 

[Donakebab]

He was smashed by our supporters and became a whipping boy - no way did ge get the hurley free pass. Hurley has been worse than Hanson but gets excuse after excuse. There is a very good reason why he is one of the most prominent players on the over rated thread.

Now you're just making shit up. In no universe has Hansen been better than Hurley.

Don't bother replying KA, just rubbishing up the thread now.

 

[Wild Bill]

Now you're just making shit up. In no universe has Hansen been better than Hurley.

Don't bother replying KA, just rubbishing up the thread now.

Maybe stay away from the Hanson v Hurley poll started in Sept this year.

The poll that Hanson is leading. There are heaps of excuses you can use going forward in that thread.

 

[Donakebab]

Maybe stay away from the Hanson v Hurley poll started in Sept this year.

The poll that Hanson is leading. There are heaps of excuses you can use going forward in that thread.

You mean the same polls board where Wiggins was voted a better player than Hodge? Excuse me for not taking that place as seriously as you do.

Just found the poll, Hansen is winning by a whopping 1 vote. In comparison there's a recent poll where Minson is comprehensively ahead of Goldstein, should we take that as gospel too, or more logically that people vote for who is performing better at the time, rather than who is/has been better overall?

 

[Big Fresh]

You mean the same polls board where Wiggins was voted a better player than Hodge? Excuse me for not taking that place as seriously as you do.

Just found the poll, Hansen is winning by a whopping 1 vote. In comparison there's a recent poll where Minson is comprehensively ahead of Goldstein, should we take that as gospel too, or more logically that people vote for who is performing better at the time, rather than who is/has been better overall?

Also worth noting the huge anti-Essendon bias on BF.

 

[Wild Bill]

Also worth noting the huge anti-Essendon bias on BF.

Of course there is!!

 

[Big Fresh]

Of course there is!!

You don't think most people on this site hate Essendon?

 

[Wild Bill]

You mean the same polls board where Wiggins was voted a better player than Hodge? Excuse me for not taking that place as seriously as you do.

Just found the poll, Hansen is winning by a whopping 1 vote. In comparison there's a recent poll where Minson is comprehensively ahead of Goldstein, should we take that as gospel too, or more logically that people vote for who is performing better at the time, rather than who is/has been better overall?

In no universe? You are kidding yourself Hurley has been better. It is as close as the poll. Both have not warranted their draft selection. His concreate hands, unable to tackle and mis judging the ball flight are big problems in his game. Hansons marking ability is so far in front it is not funny.

Minson was better than Goldy in 2013. The 2 best rucks in the comp.

 

[Wild Bill]

You don't think most people on this site hate Essendon?

The victim mentality of the essendon supporters is at an all time high. Your side is middle of the road - your players won't win every poll. Hanson 2013 was clearly better than Hurleys. It is why he is winning the poll. Last year Hurley wins this year Hanson.

The Roos are not loved on this site either but we don't sit here and cry poor us everyone hates us!!

 

[Big Fresh]

The victim mentality of the essendon supporters is at an all time high. Your side is middle of the road - your players won't win every poll. Hanson 2013 was clearly better than Hurleys. It is why he is winning the poll. Last year Hurley wins this year Hanson.

The Roos are not loved on this site either but we don't sit here and cry poor us everyone hates us!!

Really? You think the attitude toward North is anywhere near comparable to the attitude toward Essendon? Wow. People's hatred toward certain clubs colours their player/list evaluations. On BigFooty you're way more likely to see someone talking up a Bulldogs player than a Carlton player, because people apparently like underdog, battler clubs and hate rich clubs with a high number of scummy or obnoxious or delusional (as is the perception for Essendon) supporters.

I would expect Hansen to look better in 2013 than Hurley. Hurley is younger, was injured (and no, Hurley's injuries are not an Essendon supporters' conspiracy) and was played as our centre half forward, which is a markedly more difficult position to play than as third defender. Hurley's a better forward and a better defender than Hansen. How about until you make another comment on Hurley you either wait until he's played regularly in defence next year, or you watch matches when he's played in defence in the past? Apparently you haven't seen quite enough to make a judgement.

 

[Wild Bill]

Really? You think the attitude toward North is anywhere near comparable to the attitude toward Essendon? Wow. People's hatred toward certain clubs colours their player/list evaluations. On BigFooty you're way more likely to see someone talking up a Bulldogs player than a Carlton player, because people apparently like underdog, battler clubs and hate rich clubs with a high number of scummy or obnoxious or delusional (as is the perception for Essendon) supporters.

I would expect Hansen to look better in 2013 than Hurley. Hurley is younger, was injured (and no, Hurley's injuries are not an Essendon supporters' conspiracy) and was played as our centre half forward, which is a markedly more difficult position to play than as third defender. Hurley's a better forward and a better defender than Hansen. How about until you make another comment on Hurley you either wait until he's played regularly in defence next year, or you watch matches when he's played in defence in the past? Apparently you haven't seen quite enough to make a judgement.

Your one eyed bias is terrible. On what are you basing Hurley is a better forward? Their best years Hanson averaged more marks and goals.

Hurley has played stuff all in the backline yet is now a better defender. Bias rubbish posting.

 

[MaddAdam]

Now you're just making shit up. In no universe has Hansen been better than Hurley.

Don't bother replying KA, just rubbishing up the thread now.

Except for the universe containing the last season.

 

[Two Eyes]

Hurley is in real danger of becoming the next Jarrod Waite. All the talent in the world but can't consistently stay on the park.

 

[carnthedons]

Hurley is in real danger of becoming the next Jarrod Waite. All the talent in the world but can't consistently stay on the park.

Unfortunately this is kind of correct. Unlike Waite though, it's only injury not suspension meaning he misses games at this stage.

As an Essendon supporter though, I'm hopeful he will have realised his "potential" and not still be spoken about it such terms in 5-6 years time.

 

[Wild Bill]

Unfortunately this is kind of correct. Unlike Waite though, it's only injury not suspension meaning he misses games at this stage.

As an Essendon supporter though, I'm hopeful he will have realised his "potential" and not still be spoken about it such terms in 5-6 years time.

Waite has been suspened for 8 weeks in 11 years of football and Hurley 3 weeks in 5 years.

 

[Big Fresh]

Rutten - 21 Talia - 25
Jamison - 38
N Brown - 34
Carlisle - 40
Dawson - 31
Lonegan - 34
R Thompson - 45
Mohr - 40
S Thompson - 27
A Carlisle - 36
Rance - 37
Grundy 39 Richards 35
M Brown - 41
J Roughhead - 48

I don't doubt that these numbers are correct but have you got a link to where you got them?

 

[Wild Bill]

I don't doubt that these numbers are correct but have you got a link to where you got them?

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?hl=...ur=656&page=1&start=0&ndsp=17&ved=0CF0QrQMwBQ

 

[Heaps of fun]

Oh, Wild Bill. You're a force of nature.

 

[the distributer]

Reverse Coleman doesn't hold a lot of weight IMO, to many variables.