2011 Draft Discussion #2

[cotter101]

Wish I got a welcome

Can someone tell me who will more than likely be in the top 15 of talls taken ? Or is it really that much in the air for the talls ?

Also I think our midfield is looking pretty Fricken awesome for the next 10 odd years if we draft mids with out pick 8 and 12

Paine, Tomilson, Kersten, Dobosz, Talia and McInnes all could go top 15 IMO.

 

[Grimreepah]

Welcome Dom.

 

[dlanod]

Attn dlanod (and any other Sydney-siders):

Cheers for that. Just catching up on BF at the end of our trip, so hopefully we're not too late.

 

[whatboutbob]

Cheers for that. Just catching up on BF at the end of our trip, so hopefully we're not too late.

Shouldn't be. There was a call-out recently from GWS on twitter to their members recently as well to express interest.

 

[kharis]

Re my previous post, undoubtedly there's always a big element of inherent risk with any draft.
After the whole Fevola/Maguire/X Clarke failed recruiting, I'm just petrified about the club making more decisions that are any riskier than they need to be.
Durability is a big part of today's game, and I'm more than a little worried about a kid that relies on his pace for his game (Kavanagh) and has already had hamstring and knee issues before even playing at AFL level.

Understand the sentiment but often the problems with weakness and injury at a young age can be more to do with their body not fully grown yet and not copping with the rigours of AFL football. When they finish developing they tend to move beyond the injury problems (at least in most cases) so this is why so many clubs take the punt and are rewarded in most cases with an excellent player.
In regard to our recruiting ... in Kerr and Handley you can trust (we have sent our previous one to GWS).
IMHO they have made a great start (last year) to what I hope will be a extended tenure at the Lions

 

[Swanny10]

Paine, Tomilson, Kersten, Dobosz, Talia and McInnes all could go top 15 IMO.

What about Elton? Looks like he has a lot of upside.

 

[Wozzie81]

What are the chances of Dom Tyson slipping down to 8?? I'm guessing Port would snap him up if GWS don't....

I've seen three different brackets where he is expected to fall...

1-3
3-10
5-10

 

[Hollow Knight]

What are the chances of Dom Tyson slipping down to 8??

Slim to bugger all.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I'll be surprised if we don't take a tall with pick 8 or 12 TBH. Our list desperately needs a few developing talls.

 

[Swanny10]

Slim to bugger all.

Yeah wishful thinking I would've thought. Be nice though.


Hasn't been alot of mention about Greene. Seems like a jet who can play inside and outside. Would consider him at 8. Looks skinny though

 

[Quigley]

Cheers for that. Just catching up on BF at the end of our trip, so hopefully we're not too late.

I sent an email but haven't received a response.

Before it came out I also emailed the club to see if they were doing anything or knew how to get tickets. They got back to me but at that stage didn't know anything. I thought I might have gotten an email from the club about the process now that its known but you know the Lions. The Lions membership dept don't tend to follow things up very well. They take your money but that's the extent of the effort they put in.

 

[whatboutbob]

Hasn't been alot of mention about Greene. Seems like a jet who can play inside and outside. Would consider him at 8. Looks skinny though

Greene's very inside (he's been compared to Boyd), so I don't think he fits our needs. I imagine that's why there hasn't been much discussion about him here.

 

[irel]

Greene's very inside (he's been compared to Boyd), so I don't think he fits our needs. I imagine that's why there hasn't been much discussion about him here.

One view is "you can teach a Very Inside player to play an outside game, however it is far harder to do the reverse. Some also subscribe to the theory that you can never have enough Inside Midfielders in your team. (West Coast Judd era) The team becomes so much more flexible.. Polec is a perfect example. We are now spending considerable effort getting an inside game into him. That hard edge that's required to win your own footy. Once he develops that part of his game his potency becomes almost elite.

 

[Special88]

Starting to think we should get two mids with our two top picks and focus on a KPP with pick 30.

Elliot Kavanagh at 8 and Liam Sumner at 12 would be my best bet but possibly Sam Docherty as a smokey. Really hoping Fraser McInness or even Sam Frost slide to our next pick but can't see it happening.

 

[Special88]

Greene's very inside (he's been compared to Boyd), so I don't think he fits our needs. I imagine that's why there hasn't been much discussion about him here.

From what i saw throughout the champs i'd say his outside game is very solid. He reminds me of Redden. His disposal isn't elite but he knows where and how to find the footy and uses it to his teams advantage which shows more about his decision making skills than actual kicking skills.

If i were to rate him then..

Marking - 8/10
Kicking - 8/10
Speed - 7.5/10
Inside game - 9.5/10
Outside game - 8/10

 

[Ironmonger]

I don't think we'll be shy of taking another inside mid with our first pick. All of our starting mids are at least as comfortable outside as in except for Raines and Black, and there's really only Harwood and Green coming through who look like primarily inside players. Unless of course Banfield is moved on the ball.

Plus we could do with another inside mid type player in the forwardline.

 

[whatboutbob]

I guess I see our 'future midfield' as getting close enough to completion that we need to start seriously considering the blend, and filling gaps with the newbies (rather than just taking best available). To that end I see our top priority for mids as being a line-breaker.

Rich, Redden, Rockliff, Harwood, Polks, Beams, Bewick - they're all a bit one-paced.

Zorko, Green and Bartlett should add some nip if they come on, but none of them are really outside mids. Polec fits the bill nicely but Banfield's about the only other pacy mid and I've got question marks over his disposal and composure.

I just don't see Greene as having the pace for it. Just my opinion. I don't mean to come across as "I'm right, you're wrong".

 

[Swanny10]

Interesting that some think Greene has no outside game. From what I've seen of him he seems to have a decent tour side game including a bit of pace. I think his role in teams he's played in has been pre-dominantly as an in and under type which has him pigeon holed as such a bit perhaps. Has good endurance too,only question mark is his disposal but I certainly wouldn't call it shocking.

I really don't think you can have too many in and under players either but do agree we need some pace injection into our midfield. Still with so much reliance on Blacky to win the clearances last season, he still needs plenty of help in my opinion.

Can Polec, Bartlett, Green and Bewick provide the pace we need or do we need to look at Sumner or someone similar in the draft? Not sure.

 

[Ironmonger]

I like your analysis, Bob, but I think Beams has a bit of nip about him, from what I saw earlier in the year. You're certainly right we could do with more though.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

May I ask where the view of Bartlett being inside has come from? Every time I've seen him, whether live (admittedly rarely) and from U18 footage it looks as though he plays an outside game.

Given the state of our clearance play I'd venture to say we need inside and outside players. The guys WAB listed above aren't exactly extractors, or are we thinking that it's an area that looked to be on the improve late in the season?

I'm undecided about the stoppage ability of our current list, but the need for line-breaking speed is also genuine. I know others have flagged a tall for either of our first two picks, but I'd be totally comfortable with two mids. A lot could depend on how confident we are in securing Tippett at the end of the year.

 

[Quigley]

Keep in mind that coaching staff have said that they are going to look at moving Hanley up the field. That is another pacey guy we will have through the middle if they follow through on that intention.

 

[whatboutbob]

May I ask where the view of Bartlett being inside has come from? Every time I've seen him, whether live (admittedly rarely) and from U18 footage it looks as though he plays an outside game.

TBH I was of that impression too until Browny described him as an inside mid, so I assumed that's how the Club was developing him...

Given the state of our clearance play I'd venture to say we need inside and outside players. The guys WAB listed above aren't exactly extractors, or are we thinking that it's an area that looked to be on the improve late in the season?

I'm undecided about the stoppage ability of our current list, but the need for line-breaking speed is also genuine. I know others have flagged a tall for either of our first two picks, but I'd be totally comfortable with two mids. A lot could depend on how confident we are in securing Tippett at the end of the year.

IMO inside mids are nearly always going to take a bit longer to have a significant impact than outside mids because they need to be more physically mature. I think our clearances will naturally improve with that physical development, and as they gel better with Leuie. Admittedly Harwood is our one pure extractor, and question marks remain there. However I think there's enough to work with in the others from an 'inside' perspective, while we have few jets to break lines. It is pretty much impossible to turn a tortoise into a hare.

 

[whatboutbob]

Keep in mind that coaching staff have said that they are going to look at moving Hanley up the field. That is another pacey guy we will have through the middle if they follow through on that intention.

A good point, although he's obviously coming from a long way back. If he did come good there it would certainly make me happier with a Buntine selection.

 

[POBT]

Keep in mind that coaching staff have said that they are going to look at moving Hanley up the field. That is another pacey guy we will have through the middle if they follow through on that intention.

Assuming that he is successful.

Lots of guys have gone from a backman's role to the middle, and then back again, because they don't have what it takes. My concern with Hanley is that he has no midfield experience and so the transition to onball is going to be so much harder.

My desire for an "outside" mid is because I think we need line breakers and/or someone who can carve the opposition up with their disposal (ideally both). Preferably, I don't want us to take another "accumulator" like Rockliff or Redden. I want someone with genuine hurt factor - like what the likes of Dal Santo, Heath Shaw, Rioli, Hodge bring to their clubs. We've got one in Rich who has a weapon. Polec is another who I think was recruited to be this type of game breaker. But I'd like at least one more of genuine class.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I'm really warming to the idea of Buntine.

All the good teams have smart half backs who use the ball well and set up rebounds.

He'd also give us the flexibility to move Hanley or Adcock into the middle. I don't think he will last till our pick 8 sadly.