2012 Draft Discussion

[Bert Man]

Shaw is the polar opposite of Darling.

I would just settle down a bit on the hyperbole.

I'm not comparing them, if we want a player like Darling Memebrey is our man all I'm saying is that I think Shaw can have the same influence

 

[Lions1024]

I'm not comparing them, if we want a player like Darling Memebrey is our man all I'm saying is that I think Shaw can have the same influence

If you really think a player like Shaw, a 195+cm KPP, can play from day dot, you're going to be disappointed. History tells us that players like Shaw take a long time to develop (4-5 years).

Darling is the complete opposite. He was drafted as a midfielder/half forward rather than KP. Not to mention he already had the body and footy smarts to make an impact.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Shaw is the polar opposite of Darling.

They are similar in some ways... they are both from W.A. and both had their heads punched in in their draft year.

 

[Judge]

Bert, just wondering, have you seen Shaw play?

Are you from Perth?

I'm interested in the basis for your belief that Shaw is another version of Darling. I'm not saying he can't be, e.g. Irel rates him, but I only saw him play a Carnival game on TV in which he was a bit underwhelming.

 

[POBT]

They are similar in some ways... they are both from W.A. and both had their heads punched in in their draft year.

And the WA clubs are running a scam to try and get them to slide down the draft order.

 

[Pavdawn]

Enjoy.

Mason Shaw 197/84 South Fremantle

STYLE LIKE: Lachlen Hansen

*TRADEMARK: Overhead grab

*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:

*DISPOSAL, DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:

- Accurate field kick weighted very much to the right side. The mechanics of Shaws kicking are very, very good. Not alot can go wrong from the drop to the follow through. Limited development on his left hand side.

- Set shot is one of the best attributes to his game, has obviously been the last off the track practising his technique, approach and action. Very calm, very composed, good momentum and the result is reflected by his accuracy. Particularly good from the 20 to 45m range, kicks through the ball, occasionally nurses the ball home from 20 out.

- Shaws field kicking and vision is good, always looks to move the ball on quickly whether by hand or foot. Penetration on his right side excellent. Drills his kicks low and hard to stationary targets, not afraid to move the ball swiftly into the corridor, displays confidence in his football skills.


- Smart play at ground level for a player his size, isn’t overly quick but capable of displaying enough dexterity to side step smaller opponents to create scoring opportunities. Rarely handballs.

Another area of Shaws game which is under developed but displays great potential is his body work at ruck stoppages, leans into his player with his hips. If he can transfer this to his marking game he will knock a lot of defenders off their base and secure more genuine one on one marks.



*HANDS: Clean, particularly overhead. Will let the ball hit his shins if not on a platter.

*OVERHEAD MARKING: Shaws absolute strength is his overhead marking ability. Very much from the Jordan Roughead school of marking the ball at the highest possible point, Shaw leaps and extends his arms skyward to allow his opponent no easy spoils. Let’s himself down when he is pushed under the ball by seemingly giving up the contest too easily, crept into his game the longer the season went and appeared apprehensive in marking contests with a pack later in the year.

*ATHLETICISM, INTENSITY, ETHIC, CONSISTENCY:

- Acceleration is ok, capable of leading hard and in a straight line, extends the arms which is a positive to ensure the spoiler has to go around him to get at the ball.

-Minimal effort on the defensive side of the ledger, rarely chased opponents down.

- Shaws intensity can seem off to the naked eye, very laconic in his movements and absolutely needs to build a better tank to improve his ability to get to more contests. Needs to show more desire to back into his opponent if he loses control of the drop zone, too easily lead under the football this year. Perhaps cruising this year as he waits for the draft. That said still securing a lot of shots on goal.

- Leap is large enough to ensure an opponent is out of the contest when Shaw is fully extended. Quite dexterous for a big man at ground level. Will never burn opponents on the lead but uses his frame to protect the ball well on the lead.

- Ok work ethic, not sure if his tank needs some attention but too often looks for the easy option of having the ball bombed on his head, may work in underage football but needs to get on his bike a bit more. Very smart leader so needs to make more of that.
Cannot argue with his ability to generate scoring shots, however some negative attributes have crept into his game. Needs to be more competitive when he loses the drop zone, at least break even.

Improvement Scope

Medium – Shaw has some important areas which require some attention, namely his agility, tank and willingness to fight for the dropzone if the ball is not on a platter. Strong base for a deep forward

*AFL VERSATILITY: - Low – Shaws game is forward, he’s presently one of the better prospects out there but the versatility in his game is lacking. I see Shaw as a deep forward for the most part of his career, if he develops his tank he may have the ability to play as a roaming CHF. Too small to be anything other than a third string ruck option. Comparisons to Tippett are off, not big enough and not as agile.


*QUERY: - Where does he play if he can’t impact as a forward?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Thanks PavDawn. Have you got one of those for Kristian Jaksch? Would be keen to compare.

 

[Pavdawn]

Thanks PavDawn. Have you got one of those for Kristian Jaksch? Would be keen to compare.

Only follow the WA boys sorry.

 

[Pavdawn]

Another WA Prospect.

Marco Paparone 193/85 - East Fremantle

STYLE LIKE: Keplar Bradley

*TRADEMARK: Lead and Lead again

*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:

*DISPOSAL, DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:

- Very accurate field kick, perhaps the by product of such a poor set shot routine. Has developed an excellent sense of where his teammates are in the forward 50 and has no trouble weighting the ball to advantage

- Kicks with penetration and solid technique on his right side when spot up his targets, has a tendency to swing and kick around corners rather than pushing back hard off the mark to get himself set. Left foot is acceptable if a little slow.

- Set shot is poor. Ball drop and momentum are the keys for Paparone, once the ball drop goes so too does the momentum. Seems to freeze up occasionally in front of goal, when he gets the yips he is gone for the day and prefers to look for targets in the forward 50. Will need to be pulled aside and given an approach technique to follow come what may.

- Is very solid by hand, has no doubt been the lead up target at training for many years and has a firm grasp of what is necessary for a teammate running past at full tilt, does not fire bullet handballs, nurses the ball onto a runners chest. Has good vision in congestion and likes to handball.



*HANDS: Clean, particularly below his knees. Does not break stride picking up the half volley and powering through with momentum.

*OVERHEAD MARKING: Paparone is excellent on the lead, his hands are always extended to which allows him to take alot of marks in front or receive and arm chop. Where he falls down is when the ball comes in from distance and he is forced to fight for the drop zone. Often lead under the ball and snatches at the ball directly above his head. Needs to read the ball better in flight and arrive at the contest with momentum.

*ATHLETICISM, INTENSITY, ETHIC, CONSISTENCY:

- Acceleration is very good, allows separation on the lead.

-Very good closing speed , capable of running down much smaller sized opponents, rarely does this though.

- Without doubt the fittest of all the boys over 192cm mark coming into this draft. Absolute destroys his opponents at Colts level. Runs one opponent into the ground, smiles as the next comes at him. Massive engine and perhaps capable of pushing into the middle somewhere down the line.

- Big leap, would like him to show it off more by reading the ball better in flight. Excellent cruising speed Paparone’s jog is most other players 80% sprint.

- Good work ethic, especially as a lead up target. May not get into the game early in the piece but is very hard to keep down simply due to the strength of his running game. Perhaps can do more from a defensive perspective, very capable of hunting down opposition runners, doesn’t do it enough.

Very consistent footballer effort wise, will run himself into the ground as a lead up option, will never have to ask him to give more as a leading forward. May need to refine his running patterns to cut down on unnecessary leads.

Improvement Scope

Large – Still believe MP is very raw as a footballer, set shot technique is simply not up to scratch. Also believe he has lost the ability to time his leads as he simply looks to burn his opponents into the ground. It’s a positive at underage football, will need to be more efficient once he progresses up the grades.

*AFL VERSATILITY: - High – I see Paparone being capable of playing multiple positions, his natural position presently is forward, he could be a very strong defender. Has excellent agility, long limbs and a tank to stick with the elite running forwards. A move back would mitigate his set shot kicking and potentially improve his reading of the ball in flight.


*QUERY: - Set shot kicking – ball in flight.

 

[Bert Man]

If you really think a player like Shaw, a 195+cm KPP, can play from day dot, you're going to be disappointed. History tells us that players like Shaw take a long time to develop (4-5 years).

Darling is the complete opposite. He was drafted as a midfielder/half forward rather than KP. Not to mention he already had the body and footy smarts to make an impact.

Both these players cruised through their draft year while playing great footy. I am more than positive that whoever gets Shaw will have him playing great footy in their second or third year.

 

[cotter101]

A few players who are underrated on here IMO.

1. Nick Rodda
2. Sean Lynch
3. Jacob Ballard
4. Ryan Morrison

I think they are all fairly good chances of getting selected in the top 35.

 

[Pavdawn]

A few players who are underrated on here IMO.

1. Nick Rodda
2. Sean Lynch
3. Jacob Ballard
4. Ryan Morrison

I think they are all fairly good chances of getting selected in the top 35.

Sean Lynch is not likely to get picked in the first two rounds.

 

[Bert Man]

Bert, just wondering, have you seen Shaw play?

Are you from Perth?

I'm interested in the basis for your belief that Shaw is another version of Darling. I'm not saying he can't be, e.g. Irel rates him, but I only saw him play a Carnival game on TV in which he was a bit underwhelming.

No I'm a Melbourne boy. I have seen Shaw play live on several occasions this year and last. I was lucky enough to see him live three times and I believe he has quite a presence about him. I don't think that Shaw played like Darling the only reason why I liken them is because they both cruised through their draft year, but still put in strong performances. Their are great midfield options at 24,33 ie. Towers, Hrovat, Wright, Graham, Haynes, Lowrie and Lonergan if he is there. I do not believe that we will have as good as options as Shaw at pick 24,33

 

[Bert Man]

A few players who are underrated on here IMO.

1. Nick Rodda
2. Sean Lynch
3. Jacob Ballard
4. Ryan Morrison

I think they are all fairly good chances of getting selected in the top 35.

If we had pick 53 I would be desperate for Morrison

 

[Bert Man]

If we had pick 53 I would be desperate for Morrison

Alex Howson is also underrated

 

[Ruse]

If for some insane reason Grundy was available at out 1st pick it would not surprise me if we take him.

 

[brenjay]

If for some insane reason Grundy was available at out 1st pick it would not surprise me if we take him.

Indeed..... unfortunately

 

[Simba Moyo]

What's Morrison's story?

 

[Pavdawn]

Alex Howson is also underrated

By who?

 

[Ruse]

By who?

By me

 

[Pie 4 Life]

You guys may just have the first "live pick" as such in the draft, or if you like, your pick will shape the rest of the first round.

 

[Quigley]

Impressive writeups Pavdawn.

I tend to agree with a lot of your points although perhaps weigh some differently and come to different conclusions. For instance Paparone was most impressive when working on the wing at the Champs. It is not uncommon for guys his height to play that role in the AFL and I think he could develop into that down the track.

 

[Triple R]

Graham Hadley is predominantly based in WA, correct? I'm guessing there will be quite a few of the WA KPP's around at pick 24 and 33. Quigly/Offsider do you see us taking one at either of these picks?

 

[Offsider]

Graham Hadley is predominantly based in WA, correct? I'm guessing there will be quite a few of the WA KPP's around at pick 24 and 33. Quigly/Offsider do you see us taking one at either of these picks?

Either of Shaw or Paparone do you mean? I would take Mason Shaw at 24 he looks like he could be a good solid forward option, similar in some ways to Dawes but with a slightly better mark. Shaw i don't know where he will go in the actual draft, he could go first round or slide a bit imo. Paparone I would take as a late draft pick or a rookie (for us as we don't have a 40+ pick).

Those write ups are great Pavdown. With Paparone I agree he has good athletic qualities, but how do you see his physicality? His marking worries me and he doesn't look like he will be a KPF at the next level to me so he might have to become a defender or wing like Quigley suggested.

 

[Offsider]

A few players who are underrated on here IMO.

1. Nick Rodda
2. Sean Lynch
3. Jacob Ballard
4. Ryan Morrison

I think they are all fairly good chances of getting selected in the top 35.

I agree with you on Ballard he should move up the draft order, potentially a second rounder imo depends how clubs see him is a halfback or a mid? I would be very surprised if any of those players get picked up in the top 35 sill it only needs one recruiter to want a player. I think Rodda is a bit of a speculative pick, reasonable speed and athleticism, defensively average, getting better on the rebound so he should be picked up I think. Morrison is a decent defender, no standout qualities yet gets the job done, but he is 190cm so he suffers from being at that inbetweener height, he might get picked up but will take some time to learn to play as a third tall, also needs to get involved in more rebound imo. Sean Lynch is a solid mid, more outside, reasonable skills and pace, yet no standout abilities as a player so its hard to rate him but maybe a late pick?