NFL 2012 NFL Draft - Discussion

[Chadwiko]

Will Smith perhaps?

 

[sblack]

The comments section says that it could be 3 people but couldn't narrow it down without more comments.

Peria Jerry, Sean Weatherspoon and someone else I cant remember

 

[Woodson]

List of Undrafted Rookies signed up or agreed to terms as Free Agents

Arizona Cardinals
DE Zach Nash Sacramento State
DT Conrad Obi Colorado
Paul Vassallo Arizona LB

Atlanta Falcons
WR Michael Calvin Cal
S Chad Faulcon Montclair State
LB Jerrell Harris Alabama

Baltimore Ravens
CB Charles Brown North Carolina
RB Bobby Rainey Western Kentucky
TE-WR Lamont Bryant Morgan State
OL James Carmon Mississippi State
OL Alfred McCullough Alabama
FB Chad Diehl Clemson
FB Bruce Figgins Georgia
FB-LB Austin Johnson Tennessee
WR Devin Goda Slippery Rock
DT Elliott Henigan UAB
DT Nick Jean-Baptiste Baylor
DT Ishmaa'ily KitchenKent State

Buffalo Bills
QB Aaron Corp Richmond VA
RB Chris Douglas Missouri St.

Carolina Panthers
WR Wes Kemp Missouri

Chicago Bears
RB Alvester Alexander Wyoming
OT James Brown Troy
DT Ronnie Cameron Old Dominion
LB Adrien Cole Louisiana Tech
LB Ronnie Thornton Southern Miss
DB Trevor Coston Maine
S Jeremy Jones Wayne State

Cincinnati Bengals
C Ben Bojicic Bowling Green
DE Julian Miller West Virginia

Cleveland Browns
OL Matt Cleveland Idaho
OL Garth Gerhart Arizona State
S Tashaun Gipson Wyoming

Dallas Cowboys
RB Lance Dunbar North Texas
DE-LB Adrian Hamilton Prairie View A&M
G Ronald Leary Memphis
TE Andrew Szcrerba Penn State
DB Troy Woolfolk Michigan

Denver Broncos
DE Jamie Blatnick Oklahoma State
LB Aaron Brewer San Diego State
LB Elliot Coffey Baylor
LB Jerry Franklin Arkansas
DB Duke Ihenacho San Jose State
LB Steven Johnson Kansas
DB/PR Coryell Judie Texas A&M
TE Anthony Miller California
OT Mike Remmers Oregon State
WR Gerell Robinson Arizona State
G Wayne Tribue Temple
G Austin Wuebbels Missouri

Detroit Lions
G Rodney Austin Elon
K Derek Dimke Illinois
WR Patrick Edwards Houston
OL J.C. Oram Weber State
LB Ronnie Sneed Kentucky

Green Bay Packers
RB Duane Bennett Minnesota
OL Tyler Butzler Wisconsin-Stout
S Sean Richardson Vanderbilt
WR Marcus Rivers Buffalo

Houston Texans
DL D.J. Bryant James Madison
TE Logan Brock TCU

Indianapolis Colts
OL Jason Foster Rhode Island
LB Chris Galippo USC

Jacksonville Jaguars
OL Michael Brewster Ohio St.
CB Phelon Jones Alabama

Kansas City Chiefs
LB Dexter Heyman Louisville

Miami Dolphins
WR Jeff Fuller Texas A&M
WR Derek Moye Penn State
OG Josh Samuda UMass

Minnesota Vikings
DT Chase Baker Boise State
RB Derrick Coleman UCLA
DE Kevin Cyrille Florida Atlantic
CB Bobby Felder Nicholls State
WR Kamar Jorden Bowling Green
DE Eric Latimore Penn State
LB Tyler Nielsen Iowa
DE Ernest Owusu Cal
G Austin Pasztor Hawaii
DT Tydreke Powell North Carolina
DT Terrell Resonno Missouri
C Quentin Saulsberry Mississippi State
OT Darrion Weems Oregon
CB C.C. Whitlock South Carolina

New England Patriots
DT Marcus Forston Miami
TE Brad Herman Iowa
OL Jeremiah Warren South Florida
OL Markus Zusevics Iowa

New Orleans Saints
TE Jacob Byrne Wisconsin
OL Brian Folkerts Washburn
LB Stephen Johnson Temple
S Jerico Nelson Arkansas
DB Laron Scott Georgia Southern
OL Aderious Simmons Arizona State
DT Tyrunn Walker Tulsa

New York Giants
DE Matt Broha Louisiana Tech
WR David Douglas Arizona
S Janzen Jackson McNeese State
FB Joe Martinek Rutgers
S Jojo Nicolas Miami
DL Adewale Ojomo Miami
WR Julian Talley UMass

New York Jets
OL John Cullen Utah
CB Donnie Fletcher Boston College
DL Damon Harrison William Penn
QB G.J. Kinne Tulsa
TE Brian Linthicum Michigan State
K Brody McKnight Montana
DT Brett Roy Nevada
CB Ryan Steed Furman

Oakland Raiders
WR Derek Carrier Beloit
DL Dominique Hamilton Missouri
S Aaron Henry Wisconsin
P Marquette King Fort Valley State
OL Dan Knapp Arizona State
OL Lucas Nix Pittsburgh

Philadelphia Eagles
TE Chase Ford Miami
CB Cliff Harris Oregon
TE Emil Igwenagu UMass
WR Damaris Johnson Tulsa
RB Chris Polk Washington
S Phillip Thomas Syracuse

Pittsburgh Steelers
DE Ikponmwosa Igbinosun Connecticut St.
OL Ryan Lee Furman
LB Brandon Lindsey Pitt
WR Marquis Maze Alabama
K Grant Ressel Missouri
LB Adrian Robinson Temple
OL Desmond Stapleton Rutgers
DL Jake Stoller Yale

San Diego Chargers
WR Hubert Anyiam Oklahoma State
WR Jason Barnes South Carolina
DL Eddie Brown Texas A&M
OL Charles Burton Montana
WR Paul Cox Mississippi Valley St.
WR Taylor Embree UCLA
DT Logan Harrell Fresno St.
RB Mike Hayes Houston
QB Jarrett Lee LSU
LB Josh Linam UCF
WR Phil Payne Nevada
QB DeAndre Presley Appalachian State
DT Christian Tupou USC

San Francisco 49ers
DE/NT Matt Masifilo Stanford
DL Tony Jerod-Eddie Texas A&M
OT Kevin Murphy Harvard
WR Nathan Palmer Northern Illinois
S Michael Thomas Stanford

Seattle Seahawks
WR Phil Bates Ohio
CB London Durham McNeese State
G Rishaw Johnson California (Pa.)
WR Jermaine Kearse Washington
TE Sean McGrath Henderson State
OT Jon Opperud Montana
DB DeShawn Shead Portland State
DE Monte Taylor Cincinnati
WR Lavasier Tuinei Oregon
DT Myles Wade Portland State
K Carson Wiggs Purdue

St. Louis Rams
CB Jeremy Caldwell Eastern Kentucky
DL Matt Conrath Virginia
S Matt Daniels Duke
OL Bob Hebert LSU
P Johnny Hekker Oregon State
TE DeAngelo Peterson LSU

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
OL Gilbert "Chaz" Hine Southern Florida
CB Leonard Johnson Iowa St
OL Mike VanDerMeulen Toledo

Tennessee Titans
WR Devin Aguilar Washington
OL George Bias SFA
TE Brandon Barden Vanderbilt
TE Beau Brinkley Missouri
OL Chandler Burden Kentucky
DT DaJohn Harris USC
S Christian Scott Texas
QB Nick Stephens Tarleton State
LB Alex Watkins Alabama
WR D.J. Woods Cincinnati

Washington Redskins
WR Darius Hanks Alabama

 

[catters078]

So is chase minnifield still available? Surprising..

 

[Starburns_]

List of Undrafted Rookies signed up or agreed to terms as Free Agents

Detroit Lions
G Rodney Austin Elon
K Derek Dimke Illinois
WR Patrick Edwards Houston
OL J.C. Oram Weber State
LB Ronnie Sneed Kentucky

I thought Kellen Moore agreed to terms with the lions, or did you leave that one out on purpose?

 

[Woodson]

I thought Kellen Moore agreed to terms with the lions, or did you leave that one out on purpose?

Not at all fyfie. So from the time I copy & pasted.. 00.36 am AET (early this morning), he wasn't included. DB can appreciate that..

 

[Starburns_]

Not at all fyfie. So from the time I copy & pasted.. 00.36 am AET (early this morning), he wasn't included. DB can appreciate that..

Fair enough. FWIW, NFL.com reporting it as done now.

 

[Dirty Bird]

ok wtf.
Now it looks like Shoemaker is at Detroit.

 

[usalion]

Lots of guys being signed as free agents now....probably will have full lists in the team threads in a couple of days. Leave it up to teh team posters to do that. I see the Eagles have announced 15-20 this evening on their Facebook page

 

[Woodson]

Lots of guys being signed as free agents now....probably will have full lists in the team threads in a couple of days. Leave it up to teh team posters to do that. I see the Eagles have announced 15-20 this evening on their Facebook page

Much of the reason why I have posted the 'initial list' is to use this list as a 'LOOK BACK' in the next 12 months.. I expect a bunch of these diamond in the rough UDFA to come on in leaps & bounds..

There certainly have been a fair few who have overcome the hurdle of being overlooked and these are the 'type' of guys you can count on to be part of your
road to glory.

James Harrison is a classic example. Love the 'Fast' Willie Parker story too.

The NFL draft is the celebrated event and the 'left overs' is the oNE to Look out for. Hoping this guy makes it.. Ikponmwosa Igbinosun I call him scrabble.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

Am I blind? Where's the alpha/fantasy threads?

 

[Dagless]

Am I blind? Where's the alpha/fantasy threads?

GG hid them

 

[Cassius_Clay]

Why? Please explain GG...

 

[Exe Gesis]

Just click the sub-boards at the top, listed as...

ALL - NFL - NCAA - OTHER - TEAMS - FANTASY - GAMING - AE

Naturally, all fantasy-related threads reside under the "fantasy" sub-board.

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[GreyCrow]

5 years on and how did all of you go? This is not an opportunity to take a shot , just very interested to compare thoughts and look at where people went right or wrong. Obviously some draft picks like David Wilson are no longer playing due to severe neck injuries, but Woodson did note he liked a fumble, and fumble on his first carry he did . That's just clever posting. Great insight.

As a long-suffering Rams fan, I'd be pretty heartbroken if the Browns, or anybody else, drafted Blackmon.

Good call

I still think the steal of this draft will be whoever takes the punt on Moore from boise state i honestly believe the kid will be a stud has far more offensive weapons as a QB than tebow ever had and I would be hope that a team takes him.

How many kids does he have?

Very happy with Richardson. Perfect draft so far.

I love Kuechly. Great pick by CAR, but pissed that he is going to be in our division for the next 10 years!

Looks like the Dolphins went for a big reach.

I was reading this morning (Grantland) that someone compared Tannehill to Akili Smith in the fact that he was the 3rd best QB in a draft (behind Couch! and McNabb) that was screaming out for QBs and a team may choose him higher than he deserved to go for that reason.

And now?

Yikes, not sure how I feel about the Poe pick for my Chiefs.

After taking a punt on a riskier pick in Baldwin last year I was thinking that Pioli would play it safer this year. Obviously we've adressed a need, but talk about boom or bust. Was hoping Kuechly would still be there personally.

Kirkpatrick???

Now?

Browns taking Brandon Weeden at 22. Hmmmm. Im not sure about him, I like Colt McCoy more

They were going to take Wright but TEN pipped them

Once again

Hightower and Jones.
Not in love with either

I would be.

Another First round reach... Fumble prone David Wilson..

Spot on, unlucky injury curtailed a quality Jarry Hayne like career

Hoping Seattle gets Mychal Kendricks and Kirk Cousins tomorrow. Need another linebacker and could do with a backup qb with potential. T-Jack is useless

Good call on Cousins

So far on Day 1:

Bears: Shea McClellin, DE, Baylor
Bengals: Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama / Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
Bills: Stephan Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
Broncos: -
Browns: Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama / Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma St.
Bucs: Mark Barron, S, Alabama / Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
Cardinals: Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
Chargers: Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
Chiefs: Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
Colts: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
Cowboys: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
Dolphins: Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
Eagles: Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St.
Falcons: -
Giants: David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
Jaguars: Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma St.
Jets: Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
Lions: Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
Packers: Nick Perry, DE, USC
Panthers: Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
Patriots: Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse / Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
Raiders: -
Rams: Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
Ravens: -
Redskins: Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
Saints: -
Seahawks: Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia
Steelers: David DeCastro, G, Stanford
Texans: Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois
Titans: Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
Vikings: Matt Kalil, OT, USC / Harrison Smith, FS, Notre Dame
49ers: AJ Jenkins, WR, Illinois

The picks i like best (after the top 6 who were always going to get star players)

Barron to Tampa at 7
Kuechly to Carolina at 9
Gilmore to bills at 10
Cox to eagles at 12
Floyd to the cards at 13
Ingram to the chargers at 18
Reiff to Detroit at 23
DeCastro to Steelers at 24
Hightower to pats at 25


Bolded are my top picks value-wise

Just clever. High quality post

According to Scott Wright's overall rankings (NFLDraftCountdown.com) here are the top prospects leading into day 2 of the draft.


The first number is their overall ranking

15. Cordy Glenn OT Georgia
19. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
22. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
23. Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech
25. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St.
28. Amini Silatolu OG Midwestern St.
29. Lavonte David OLB Nebraska
31. Coby Fleener TE Stanford
32. Alameda Ta’amu DT Washington
33. Zach Brown OLB North Carolina
34. Peter Konz C Wisconsin
36. Reuben Randle WR L.S.U.
37. Kendall Reyes DT Connecticut
38. Mike Adams OT Ohio St.
40. Devon Still DT Penn St.
42. Bobby Massie OT Ole Miss
46. Orson Charles TE Georgia
47. Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
48. Andre Branch DE Clemson
49. Kirk Cousins QB Michigan St.
50. Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
51. Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
52. Mychal Kendricks ILB California
53. Vinny Curry DE Marshall
54. Josh Robinson CB Central Florida
55. Lamar Miller RB Miami (FL)
56. Brian Quick WR Appalachian St.
57. Jeff Allen OT Illinois
58. Ronnell Lewis OLB Oklahoma
59. Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
60. Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
61. Brandon Brooks OG Miami (OH)
62. Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers
63. Dwayne Allen TE Clemson
64. LaMichael James RB Oregon
65. Bobby Wagner ILB Utah St.
66. Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa St.
67. Dwight Bentley CB Louisiana-Lafayette
69. Jared Crick DE Nebraska
70. Mike Martin DT Michigan
72. Chris Givens WR Wake Forest
73. Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt
74. Mitchell Schwartz OT California
75. Derek Wolfe DT Cincinnati
76. Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma
77. George Iloka S Boise St.
78. Brock Osweiler QB Arizona St.
79. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
80. Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
81. Chris Polk RB Washington
82. Michael Egnew TE Missouri
84. T.Y. Hilton WR Florida International
85. Bernard Pierce RB Temple
86. Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina
87. Olivier Vernon DE Miami (FL)
88. Robert Turbin RB Utah St.
89. Marvin Jones WR California
90. Josh Chapman DT Alabama
91. Ben Jones C Georgia
92. Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati
93. Ladarius Green TE Louisiana-Lafayette
94. Sean Spence OLB Miami (FL)
95. Tyrone Crawford DE Boise St.

Surely Osweiler is a joke?
Pead should be higher, same as Broyles......Geeze, that injury really pushed him off the face of the Earth, he could be a massive steal in the 2nd.

On Pead-ouch. Jusry still out on Brock

I don't think T-Jack is useless; he played behind a crumbling (and young) O-line, played in a new team with his most well know team mate out for most of the year, Williams underperforming/on a gimpy ankle for most of the year, with a torn pectoral muscle for most of the year and still got the team to 7-7 (Whitehurst was 0-2 as a starter) which is the same record that Hasselbeck lead us to a couple of years back. Not elite by any stretch of the imagination but certainly not a dud.

Having said that I still expect Flynn to beat him out in training camp. Do agree with you though a linebacker would be top priority at the moment and I am expecting a back up QB to be picked. Schneider will be used to overstocking in the most important position on the team from his Green Bay days. However I'm hoping that man is Russell Wilson, followed by..............Kellen Moore.

Irvin is an interesting pick, probably could have picked him up a bit later so I'm a bit disappointed not to see us try to move down the order a bit more. Performed impressively at the combine and seems over his off field stuff and fills a need (according to Carroll the best pass rusher in the draft). I'll back our guys. Also knowing what they've done in the past with late picks; Sherman, Baldwin (technically not but whatever) the extra couple will come in handy.

Good call

That was up to page 18.

How did you go and any changes you want to make?

 

[catters078]

5 years on and how did all of you go? This is not an opportunity to take a shot , just very interested to compare thoughts and look at where people went right or wrong. Obviously some draft picks like David Wilson are no longer playing due to severe neck injuries, but Woodson did note he liked a fumble, and fumble on his first carry he did . That's just clever posting. Great insight.

Good call

How many kids does he have?





And now?



Now?

Once again

I would be.

Spot on, unlucky injury curtailed a quality Jarry Hayne like career

Good call on Cousins



Just clever. High quality post



On Pead-ouch. Jusry still out on Brock

Good call

That was up to page 18.

How did you go and any changes you want to make?

Great post.

I think it shows 5 years in is how a draft SHOULD be graded. Not in the 12 months after it.

 

[Woodson]

Great post.

I think it shows 5 years in is how a draft SHOULD be graded. Not in the 12 months after it.

Spot on..

One thing WE aLL KNOw.. THERE will be FIRST ROUND BUSTS!! Reputations in college are like big air guitar riffs. Until someone plugs these rookies in, nothing can be overplayed/ anticipated as a slam dunk selection. We've seen rookies who have a 'decent to impressive' debut season but they fade quicker than then they arrived.

I agree, go back FIVE years and bring out the real verdict to yesteryear DRAFTS and the reality that it is.

 

[Brasher]

It's cool to go back and look at the draft from 5 years ago, especially the comments.

I'd argue though the 5 year timeframe is too long, seriously, unless your Aaron Rodgers, most teams know pretty well after 3 years if they have drafted well or not. This is especially pertinent in the age of fixed term contracts and slotted contracts.

As Woodson points out, there will be 1st Round busts, one staggering statistic is that there are more undrafted players on NFL rosters today than 1st or 2nd Round Picks (and that stat is even more skewed if you add the practice squad)...so maybe the test for the draft should not be who a team picks during the draf tbut who they manage to sign as a rookie free agent?



AS for my own efforts, I leave this gem (but to be fair given the roster the 49ers had back then i don't even think they were trying during the draft).

The more I look at the AJ Jenkins pick for the 49ers the more I like it.

Dude was 2/3rds of the entire passing game for Illinois in his final year with terrible QB play and no supporting cast.

As for the second round Amini Silatolu woould be nice.

49ers could then use the rest of the draft speculating.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Luke Kuechly!!!

 

[Woodson]

Looking back at the Steelers 2012 draft: Aside OG David DeCastro, starter from the get-go, there is just another from the 2012 class who the Steelers picked up as a UDFA and that's the skipper of ST #21 Robert Golden who plays sparingly as a nickel DB but the reality is that poor drafting can have a profound impact on the roster quality in proceeding seasons. TE Ladarius Green was also drafted in 2012 (by the Chargers) in the 4th round.

First round starter and a UDFA equates to a B- at best as a Draft grading IMHO. If you have playmakers, that grade could easily be a B+ to a A.

Looking at the 2012 draft... there is evidence that 10% at best make something of their 'brief' to career long ambitions to crack it in the league that stands for NOT FOR LONG.

 

[drd23]

As Woodson points out, there will be 1st Round busts, one staggering statistic is that there are more undrafted players on NFL rosters today than 1st or 2nd Round Picks (and that stat is even more skewed if you add the practice squad)...so maybe the test for the draft should not be who a team picks during the draf tbut who they manage to sign as a rookie free agent?

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But what percentage of each are back-ups vs productive starters vs elite players? I can't think of a whole heap of elite players that started out as UDFAs.

Sure that statistic provides hope for UDFAs that they can make a roster and potentially make some money out of being an NFL player, but it would be foolish to think that it proves that signing the right UDFAs is the measure of draft success

 

[GreyCrow]

Bigger question is did anybody ever find the alpha/fantasy threads?

 

[Dirty Bird]

It's cool to go back and look at the draft from 5 years ago, especially the comments.

I'd argue though the 5 year timeframe is too long, seriously, unless your Aaron Rodgers, most teams know pretty well after 3 years if they have drafted well or not. This is especially pertinent in the age of fixed term contracts and slotted contracts.

As Woodson points out, there will be 1st Round busts, one staggering statistic is that there are more undrafted players on NFL rosters today than 1st or 2nd Round Picks (and that stat is even more skewed if you add the practice squad)...so maybe the test for the draft should not be who a team picks during the draf tbut who they manage to sign as a rookie free agent?

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AS for my own efforts, I leave this gem (but to be fair given the roster the 49ers had back then i don't even think they were trying during the draft).

True
Kellen Moore is still in the NFL but where is Tim tebow?

 

[Blacky]

True
Kellen Moore is still in the NFL but where is Tim tebow?

And Griffin is better than Luck

 

[Dirty Bird]

And Griffin is better than Luck

I don't see other franchises like Cleveland lining up to take luck.