List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[sipossational2]

Free Agency isn't trading.

sorry, my bad, i forgot he's a free agent i didn't read it properly, my mistake

 

[TheLastEmperor]

If Boyd really wanted out of there he might not be too fussed which club he ended up at, as long as it was because he particularly didn't like living up there in Western Sydney and was able to get back to Melbourne.

So if he really wanted out and GWS were willing to grant him that wish early (ie. this year) then surely he'd be willing to work with GWS on a trade that benefited both himself and GWS and if that was the case, then we'd be pretty much in the box seat to get the deal done, as we so many of the necessary ingredients, being:

A: Cap space to be able to fit him in
B: A willingness to be able to pay him as much as it would take to get him here (we said we'd pay "overs")
C: A suitable draft pick (or its equivalent) that GWS would be happy to accept in a trade.
D: A position is our team for him to be able to come pretty much straight in and play plenty of footy and to know that that spot will then be pretty much "his to lose".
E: A good trading relationship with GWS

Probably the only ingredient that we're lacking is that we're currently not likely to be an attractive destination for anyone that could have lots of options, but money could change that and I doubt any other team would tick all those 6 "boxes", either, so I'd say we'd be as good a chance as any team if he was on the table. More so if he liked the idea of working side by side with Roo for the next year or two and/or if he happened to be close with Wright, Billings, Dunstan, Acres, or Eli, if/when they were at Vic Metro, and/or the AIS together.

Then we'd have to weigh up whether we thought he'd be better value than McCartin, Wright or Petracca, especially since he'd cost so much more money than any of those 3, while only being one year more advanced.

If we didn't think he was quite worth giving up pick 1 for, then we may be able to get a little bit of a sweetener thrown in, if they are keen to trade him this year, because they thought he'd fly the coop next year and/or were really keen for someone like Petracca or Wright.

Surely pick 1 alone gets the deal done. Anything more and I would tell them to shove it.

 

[Sheeza69]

Boyd being contracted you would think the only way he goes this year is if GWS received compensation to the value they paid for him. Pick 1 or a elite player would be the only thing GWS would consider I reckon. But too many variables. Boyd would likely nominate a club, that club would have to provide adequate compensation and GWS would have to be willing to trade a contracted player believing he's a goner next year anyway. Couldn't see it happening TBH.

I would like to know what offer we put in for pick 1/Boyd last year? If that rumour is true...

Were right into GWS for pick 1..
GWS will want to cut a deal this year, leaving us as front runners for Boyd..
They aren't going to stock up on young talent, & them risk losing them for zip..
I expect the Saints to make it their priority to pillage GWS over the next few years, giving them a taste of their own medicine..

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Were right into GWS for pick 1..
GWS will want to cut a deal this year, leaving us as front runners for Boyd..
They aren't going to stock up on young talent, & them risk losing them for zip..
I expect the Saints to make it their priority to pillage GWS over the next few years, giving them a taste of their own medicine..

Do you know what/who we offered for pick 1?

 

[aussierulesrules]

Surely pick 1 alone gets the deal done. Anything more and I would tell them to shove it.

No, I was saying that we may get a slight sweetener, if we didn't think him and his likely much larger contract would be worth having over someone like McCartin, and GWS were pretty keen to either: A: Move him on and get maximum return for him this year, or B: Have first crack at this draft if they are dead-keen on someone like Petracca, or Wright (who they may see as their answer in the ruck post Mumford).

We really need Melbourne to finish below GWS I reckon, that way GWS may end up out of the top 4 and extra keen to deal, giving us more juicy options.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I remember Ameet saying we asked about pick 1 but said GWS were never trading it.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

No, I was saying that we may get a slight sweetener, if we didn't think him and his likely much larger contract would be worth having over someone like McCartin, and GWS were pretty keen to either: A: Move him on and get maximum return for him this year, or B: Have first crack at this draft if they are dead-keen on someone like Petracca, or Wright (who they may see as their answer in the ruck post Mumford).

We really need Melbourne to finish below GWS I reckon, that way GWS may end up out of the top 4 and extra keen to deal, giving us more juicy options.

Pick 1 and 38 for Boyd and 23 would be a juicy deal.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I remember Ameet saying we asked about pick 1 but said GWS were never trading it.

A reflection on how highly they rate Boyd. He will be hard to pry away.

 

[Determinant]

There is no way Boyd gets traded for pick 1.
In what world would that make sense, he was the most hyped pick 1 for ages.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

There is no way Boyd gets traded for pick 1.
In what world would that make sense, he was the most hyped pick 1 for ages.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

There is no way Boyd gets traded for pick 1.
In what world would that make sense, he was the most hyped pick 1 for ages.

In the fantasy world known as pre trade discussions what would GWS want if he were to be traded?

 

[Periphery]

There is no way Boyd gets traded for pick 1.
In what world would that make sense, he was the most hyped pick 1 for ages.

I agree, pick 1 is too much. Our second should do the trick.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Pick 1 and 38 for Boyd and 23 would be a juicy deal.

Indeed, or I was thinking something like pick 1 and 38ish for Boyd and Jaksch. Or pick 1 and 21 for Boyd, Jaksch and 42.

 

[STK2020]

Any chance of a deal with Richmond for our pick 1 for Richmonds 1st & 2nd rounds with young Lennon as a sweetener ?
Load up on Quality mids this year and chase KPP next year via draft , free Agency ect.... ?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Any chance of a deal with Richmond for our pick 1 for Richmonds 1st & 2nd rounds with young Lennon as a sweetener ?
Load up on Quality mids this year and chase KPP next year via draft , free Agency ect.... ?

No.

Would you give up a top 10 pick, pick from 20-30 and Billings for Pick 1 when there isn't a proven full on standout?

 

[aussierulesrules]

There is no way Boyd gets traded for pick 1.
In what world would that make sense, he was the most hyped pick 1 for ages.

It would make sense if your club were not confident that they would be able to keep him beyond next year and they wanted to cut their losses immediately and get maximum value for him, rather than risking losing him for less next year. I dare say they have a contract extension in front of him, so if he's not prepared to sign it, despite not being in their team much yet, then he may not be loving it up there.

Then there's the chance that your club would prefer to have a set-up of Patton, Wright and Cameron up forward, for instance, due to Wright's apparently greater ability than Boyd to play ruck. For all we know they could have as much of a hard-on for him as they did for Boyd and may not be that fussed which one of those two they have on their books. They do after all seem to treat "talls" as a commodity that they are stockpiling as much for their future trade value as their ability to play footy, so they probably aren't as attached to any of them as most clubs that aren't stockpiling for future trade value would be. They know they're going to lose some of them. It's just all about when and where.

 

[Determinant]

In the fantasy world known as pre trade discussions what would GWS want if he were to be traded?

I honestly believe GWS would currently see him as untradeable.
And despite constant perhaps hopeful rumours to the contrary he is pretty relaxed about Sydney, he and Josh Kelly practically live at the Lamberts..

Ask GC what JOM is worth... Or Melb about Hogan. It's the same question, with probably the same answer

 

[Determinant]

It would make sense if your club were not confident that they would be able to keep him beyond next year and they wanted to cut their losses immediately and get maximum value for him, rather than risking losing him for less next year. I dare say they have a contract extension in front of him, so if he's not prepared to sign it, despite not being in their team much yet, then he may not be loving it up there.

Then there's the chance that your club would prefer to have a set-up of Patton, Wright and Cameron up forward, for instance, due to Wright's apparently greater ability than Boyd to play ruck. For all we know they could have as much of a hard-on for him as they did for Boyd and may not be that fussed which one of those two they have on their books. They do after all seem to treat "talls" as a commodity that they are stockpiling as much for their future trade value as their ability to play footy, so they probably aren't as attached to any of them as most clubs that aren't stockpiling for future trade value would be. They know they're going to lose some of them.

Most of that feels cobbled from media speak..

GWS have Patton at FF, Cameron at CHF and Boyd almost certain to play Ruck/Fwd, that doesn't sound like too many

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Most of that feels cobbled from media speak..

GWS have Patton at FF, Cameron at CHF and Boyd almost certain to play Ruck/Fwd, that doesn't sound like too many

BUT THEN YOU HAVE TOMLINSON, STEWART, MCCARTHY AND WHO EVER ELSE WHERE ARE THEY FITTING???????????

Ok good to see you in here talking some sense, don't answer the above as it's sarcasm.

 

[STK2020]

No.

Would you give up a top 10 pick, pick from 20-30 and Billings for Pick 1 when there isn't a proven full on standout?

Bugger !!!!
Was just day dreaming of a midfield of Dunstan , Billings , Acres , Lennon , Bradshaw , Ellis , ect.....
Argh well

 

[aussierulesrules]

I honestly believe GWS would currently see him as untradeable.
And despite constant perhaps hopeful rumours to the contrary he is pretty relaxed about Sydney, he and Josh Kelly practically live at the Lamberts..

Ask GC what JOM is worth... Or Melb about Hogan. It's the same question, with probably the same answer

Melbourne don't have a huge stockpile of them though and Hogan was dominating in the infinitely stronger VFL last year, while by all reports Boyd has been much more underwhelming this year, in the very weak NEAFL, despite being a year older than Hogan was when he was dominating VFL last year, so I'd say Melbourne would have been much more keen to hang onto Hogan, for those two reasons.

As for JOM, he has been doing the business at AFL level and is far more established at his club and his club are also not stockpiling others like him for trade value, so again I reckon they'd be much more keen to hang onto him than GWS would be Boyd.

Anything's possible though.

 

[Sheeza69]

Do you know what/who we offered for pick 1?

No

 

[Mowman]

What ever it takes get JC

 

[Determinant]

Melbourne don't have a huge stockpile of them though and Hogan was dominating in the infinitely stronger VFL last year, while by all reports Boyd has been much more underwhelming this year, in the very weak NEAFL, despite being a year older than Hogan was when he was dominating VFL last year, so I'd say Melbourne would have been much more keen to hang onto Hogan, for those two reasons.

As for JOM, he has been doing the business at AFL level and is far more established at his club and his club are also not stockpiling others like him for trade value, so again I reckon they'd be much more keen to hang onto him than GWS would be Boyd.

Anything's possible though.

Boyd's issue in the NEAFL isn't so much underperforming, though I am not sure how you measure that, big guys do take time and the dude is a mountain..
His output is diluted by the fact that he is sharing fwd time with three trainee rucks, plus McCarthy, plus Lamb and at least 2 other small fwds.

When he has played AFL his delivery has been, questionable.

 

[STK2020]

I can't see us doing anything radical with our picks this year .
Hopefully elevate Eli , Weller , Shenton . Maybe pick up "out of contract" player and Saad . Think I could live with that BUT would love Patten or Cameron if possible .