Analysis 2016 AFL Trade Week Thread

[Forzaport]

Freo get pick 23 as compo for Maine which will go to Hawthorn for Hill.


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[KenOath]

Free making out like bandits so far this trade period! Pick 23 for Mayne is outrageous!

 

[Lagooner]

Not a troll.. i doubt this will happen. Of course we will deal with adelaide first. If ur happy to somehow take gibbs if all doesnt go to plan with the crows.Would love that as a deal. But of course im biased.. ☺. Generated discussion over here anyway. How about we discuss possible deals that work in both teams favour ???

How about you go generate discussion on the Adelaide board with a baseless Gibbs for Sloane hypothetical.

 

[LP7_]

Not a troll.. i doubt this will happen. Of course we will deal with adelaide first. If ur happy to somehow take gibbs if all doesnt go to plan with the crows.Would love that as a deal. But of course im biased.. ☺. Generated discussion over here anyway. How about we discuss possible deals that work in both teams favour ???

The only deal that works for Port is Bryce Gibbs plays for Carlton next year, or plays for Adelaide at a heavy cost to them.

 

[Forzaport]

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[Hammer#8]

I wish I was still a mod so I can delete this trolling post lol

You're like a reverse Jobe, you earn back the title of 'Brownlow Medallist' tho.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Here's one for you Damien in your next addition of Sliding doors;

IF:
Rockliff and Gibbs play for the Crers next year....

THEN:
They have the largest ensemble of puchable heads in one team..

Still well behind Richmond TBH.

 

[Leaveit2charlie]

Not a troll.. i doubt this will happen. Of course we will deal with adelaide first. If ur happy to somehow take gibbs if all doesnt go to plan with the crows.Would love that as a deal. But of course im biased.. [emoji5]. Generated discussion over here anyway. How about we discuss possible deals that work in both teams favour ???

It's a really good draft and next year's draft as well. I'm suspecting the Blues aren't as shocked and angry as has been suggested. Robbie Gray and Ollie are put of bounds as are our useful draft picks. Wingard is put of bounds as well. Pick another player?

 

[Coobk001]

To get Gibbs and Rockliff here the crows would surely need to pay with their first pick this year and their first pick next year which isnt actually allowed right?

Just trying to clear up the rules.

Though if they were smart maybe they could bundle McGovern or Cameron with a 2nd rounder from somewhere and use the 1st with another player for Rockliff. Guess it'll depend on what theyre prepared to give up.

 

[Rankor]

Signing one free agent goes ok. How about if you have a net signing of two, you have to give up a pick somewhere. Just like they sum up a team that loses FA (D Pearce and T Chaplin) then how about the reverse?

Of course, no second rounder etc due to future trading might make it awkward. should of thought before typing (like we all do)

They should do away with these compensation picks all together and the player should be judged either 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th round player. The team signing the FA then has to give that round pick up to the team that loses their FA.

Problem solved. And other teams don't fall down the draft pecking order.

 

[tribey]

Free making out like bandits so far this trade period! Pick 23 for Mayne is outrageous!

lol bloody hell

 

[YoungsterPA]

Things would just becomes trades then? It's pointless


Shouldn't be any compo anyway when it's tied to your ladder position it's stupid

Frawley 3
Franklin 18
Mayne 23

It's such a terrible system

 

[tribey]

Things would just becomes trades then? It's pointless


Shouldn't be any compo anyway when it's tied to your ladder position it's stupid

Frawley 3
Franklin 18
Mayne 23

It's such a terrible system

Don't forget a finished Colin Sylvia getting converted into Bernie Vince.

 

[Portology]

Well we're getting to the pointy end, so what have we seen so far?

Collingwood looking a bit this year's North Melbourne. But instead of a Crazy Scotty overrating his chances, their coach's unstated target is humbler: lose a finals game, get another contract.

Freo showing some urgency in their rebuild, and fair enough too.

WC with Sam Mitchell and possibly Petrie will show a little more spine around the dodgy ruck vertebrae.

Crers, lel, I wish them all the pies Gibbs and Menzel can eat. They'll never have it as easy as this year, their out of whack mid field will show the cracks next year and they'll only get to fixing it after their backline matures and their forward line ages.

Hawks doing a Geelong like manage the champs and the never-will-be out step by step. People call the (Sam) Mitchell trade "ruthless" well read his words, he is on board in a way we could only wish for with a few of ours.

Swans with a second first round pick at the cost of a surplus but quality mid. A position we wish we were in... but two academy gems in a row and smart moves with most else will do that.

GWS keep racking up the picks and making early calls on the "seconds". There are a gems to be had, let's stop whining over Hombsch, Austin or even Neade, shall we??

GC proving that **** can happens, no matter how good your concessions, and when you're not a club yet, things get tough and a few rats leave the ship compounding the mess. As with the Lions post the debacle of the Crazy Vossy gambles, for the sake of footy they have to keep getting a bit of a leg up a little while longer.

The Dogs. Well let Hambling go to Freo, he's your Thurstans basically, you'll never get more for him. Their "fairytale" has nothing to do with the one we screwed up on in 2014. What the two situations show is how quickly things can turn around - in both directions.

We have two high, risk high return "trades" in for next year. Three if you count Matt White. And IMO Polec has a fair bit of fitness related improvement in him next year if his mind keeps up. But we're skinny inside and up forward and over invested and under staffed in ruck. And I'm not sure we're going to move anyone else on bar Achee. We don't really have an option other than to clear the decks of never-going-to-win-us-a-flag depth and let Bonner and Snelling start R1. Go hard this year with the cuts even if we crash and burn and reap the benefits in 2018.


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[philthy05]

God this free agency thing is a bit ****ed.

Because Collingwood are shitting the bed a lot of teams have to move back in the draft. Freo lucked out there.

 

[Hammer#8]

What ever happened to the talk of Ballyntine going to the WCE?

 

[Portology]

What ever happened to the talk of Ballyntine going to the WCE?

WCE probably raised their ambitions.


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[mic59]

Free making out like bandits so far this trade period! Pick 23 for Mayne is outrageous!

Based on what has happened so far it was the only decision possible. With his new contract second pick+1 compo had to go to them and with their position that was 23. The #3 compo Melbourne got for Frawley in 2014 was well over the top.

 

[mic59]

To get Gibbs and Rockliff here the crows would surely need to pay with their first pick this year and their first pick next year which isnt actually allowed right?

No, they can do that. They just have to make 2 first round selections in a four-year period. They've already selected Wayne Milera and Thomas Doedee in the first round last year so they're don't have to worry about that rule till 2019. It would only mean they would not be able to trade other future picks, such as a 2nd in the 2017 draft but if they trade their first I doubt if they would want to trade any more.

 

[DaTBird187]

Free making out like bandits so far this trade period! Pick 23 for Mayne is outrageous!

Nobody in a million years would give Freo pick 23 for Mayne. This system is a ****ing disgrace.

 

[TimmyD11]

Why don't we just go to the Gold Coast who are absolutely desperate for mature players. I've heard nothing about anyone wanting to even consider moving there a part from Hanley. No one is desperate enough for Lobbe or O'Shea at the moment this early in the trade period but surely having picks 4, 6 (for Prestia) & 8, that's before getting anything for O'Meara they could give us a token second rounder for a Lobbe or O'Shea if it's their 5th or 6th pick.

Why not this:
M. Lobbe + M. Broadbent + A. Young + B. Ah Chee For Picks 22+23+29 & K. Brooksby.

Even handing over these picks they still have picks 4 6 & 8 and O'Meara's picks to replenish their youth but at least they also get a decent ruck to challenge Nichols, a decent half back and half forward that can pinch hit in the midfield and a project bigger bodied mid. To me unless they have better options lined up other than Hanley that's not the worst result. At least Ah Chee gets to play with his brother and more opportunity and Young can continue to play regular football which I'm not sure he will be for us next year with Monfries and White back. Only stumbling block is Broadbent and Lobbe's willingness to move whilst on long contracts, but at least Gold Coast could honour the contracts.

O'Shea for Lions Pick 30 who need someone with experience in defense and will also have at least 3 picks before this pick even before Hanley and Rockliff get traded.

Amon & Pick 66 For Aaron Black & Pick 32 (Compo for Wells).

That gives us Picks 9 22 23 29 30 32 48 to then deal with GWS

Make 23 and 32 into 15 & 54, which is an upgrade on points for GWS. And Offer pick 48 for Barrett and Stewart.

Use Pick 30 for Barlow or similar mature inside mid.

Take picks 9 15 22 29 54 to the draft.

Pick 9: Tim English
Pick 15: Todd Marshall
Pick 22: Josh Battle
Picks 29: Best Inside Mid
Pick 54: Best Available Player

Rookie List Project Ruck/Forward or mature Ruck

So That's adding:
Forwards: English, Marshall, Battle for development and Black & Stewart to see if they can do a Schulz in a new environment. Only need one of those 5 to have a decent year to help support Dixon & Westhoff.
Rucks: Ryder, Trengove first 22 rucks, hopefully a developing Frampton to take the next step to really challenge for a spot as next in line. Followed by a raw English and mature- bodied albeit inexperienced Brooksby then what ever Ruck we rookie list.
Mids: Young top 30 pick inside mid and the experience of Barlow.

Surely that would go some way to addressing our bare tall forward and ruck stocks and help boost our inside mid brigade, whilst doing absolutely no damage to our forward and back flank stocks. Make it happen.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Is it possible that one year we could actually organize a trade prior to trade period and go bang. It's the start of trade period. We exist.

Meanwhile.

We are looking at a large number of options to improve our list dynamic. We are open to an array of offers on an assortment of exciting talent.

Hamish told me he has a contract. He was mean. The medicos said vardys leg may fall off. No one wants to give a first round for Cam O'Shea. He's such a good guy. How do you do the paperwork to trade players anyway. Never done it. Does anyone write this stuff down. It's hard. I'm hungry. The pillows in my hotel aren't comfy. I'm not paying for the minibar.

Time to play the drums!

Nah. There's eight days to go bro. It's all gravy. Maybe.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Why don't we just go to the Gold Coast who are absolutely desperate for mature players. I've heard nothing about anyone wanting to even consider moving there a part from Hanley. No one is desperate enough for Lobbe or O'Shea at the moment this early in the trade period but surely having picks 4, 6 (for Prestia) & 8, that's before getting anything for O'Meara they could give us a token second rounder for a Lobbe or O'Shea if it's their 5th or 6th pick.

Why not this:
M. Lobbe + M. Broadbent + A. Young + B. Ah Chee For Picks 22+23+29 & K. Brooksby.

Even handing over these picks they still have picks 4 6 & 8 and O'Meara's picks to replenish their youth but at least they also get a decent ruck to challenge Nichols, a decent half back and half forward that can pinch hit in the midfield and a project bigger bodied mid. To me unless they have better options lined up other than Hanley that's not the worst result. At least Ah Chee gets to play with his brother and more opportunity and Young can continue to play regular football which I'm not sure he will be for us next year with Monfries and White back. Only stumbling block is Broadbent and Lobbe's willingness to move whilst on long contracts, but at least Gold Coast could honour the contracts.

O'Shea for Lions Pick 30 who need someone with experience in defense and will also have at least 3 picks before this pick even before Hanley and Rockliff get traded.

Amon & Pick 66 For Aaron Black & Pick 32 (Compo for Wells).

That gives us Picks 9 22 23 29 30 32 48 to then deal with GWS

Make 23 and 32 into 15 & 54, which is an upgrade on points for GWS. And Offer pick 48 for Barrett and Stewart.

Use Pick 30 for Barlow or similar mature inside mid.

Take picks 9 15 22 29 54 to the draft.

Pick 9: Tim English
Pick 15: Todd Marshall
Pick 22: Josh Battle
Picks 29: Best Inside Mid
Pick 54: Best Available Player

Rookie List Project Ruck/Forward or mature Ruck

So That's adding:
Forwards: English, Marshall, Battle for development and Black & Stewart to see if they can do a Schulz in a new environment. Only need one of those 5 to have a decent year to help support Dixon & Westhoff.
Rucks: Ryder, Trengove first 22 rucks, hopefully a developing Frampton to take the next step to really challenge for a spot as next in line. Followed by a raw English and mature- bodied albeit inexperienced Brooksby then what ever Ruck we rookie list.
Mids: Young top 30 pick inside mid and the experience of Barlow.

Surely that would go some way to addressing our bare tall forward and ruck stocks and help boost our inside mid brigade, whilst doing absolutely no damage to our forward and back flank stocks. Make it happen.

great idea, but not sure why GC would want Lobbe when they should get Witts.

and i defs wouldnt take both Marshall and Battle along with English...

great idea otherwise, but some of this wouldnt happen and wont happen

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

What a ****ing joke. Pick 23 for ****ing Maine?

For a comp run by a dude who actually asked other clubs if we should get players in lieu of our suspended players from another clubs drug regime, surely you could have a system that actually reflects the worth of a player on the marker.

Carn Gil you campaigner, ask 3, just 3 clubs what they think Maine is worth........

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

If you need any proof big blokes and in particular KPP's and especially KPF's hold their value and actually increase it without having to do a lot, just look at Cam McCarthy.

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OFFICIAL: The @GWSGIANTS have received pick 3 from@freodockers in exchange for Cameron McCarthy and picks 7, 33 & 71

So McCarthy is taken pick 14 in the 2013 draft by GWS - our original pick before trading away to get Polec - and for improving pick 7 to pick 3 and virtually guaranteeing another gun youngster turned 200 gamer. He played 21 games in 3 seasons, well 2 that he was actual in Western Sydney.

Using the draft value index pick 14 is worth 1161 pts. The trade below shows they tried to match the DVI calculation.

https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#3,|7,33,71,