Universal Love 2016 Draft Discussion

[Navara79]

I wanted SPS at pick 5 (6) and I wanted Zac Fisher at 25 (27), so I'm obviously stoked.

When I saw SPS over 12 months ago, I thought to myself "he's the most talented junior I've seen" and I figured pick 1 would be required to land him ... I've NEVER wanted a young player more, and started talking to my mates about him and bringing their attention to him.. At the same time, I really didn't want another spoon, but I was prepared to go through it. Then the Bombers copped their penalties and I figured we'd never have the chance. Seriously disappointed that he'd likely head that way and under those circumstances. As the season progressed and we won a few games, while the Dockers were struggling and looking likely to finish below us, I gave us no chance whatsoever. If the Bombers overlooked him, there would be no way he'd get past the Dockers.

As it panned out, injuries played their part, the Dockers traded out of their pick before ours, the stars aligned and we landed Sam. Having been keeping a close eye on him for some time, I am absolutely thrilled. I'm not only thrilled by the quality of footballer he is, I am thrilled by his character and that we have picked up an indigenous player from Halls Creek. I can't pin-point the feeling - it just warms my heart to have picked an indigenous lad at our first pick. The greatest aspect of our game, in my mind, is the indigenous representation - it exceeds indigenous representation in the general workforce, and is something that is mostly embraced as a wonderful part of our game. On this board, SPS has been embraced by nearly all. "Flight risk", "outside silk", "icing on the cake" have all been used as reasons by a small proportion who didn't want to take the "risk" on SPS. They seem to disregard that he has made more sacrifice than any of the players I'm aware of to get where he is today. Apparently, all the non-indigenous players around our pick carry no risk whatsoever - drafting is an easy game.

I don't deny that I am a huge supporter of indigenous players. It goes beyond the fact that they dominate representation in my list of "most skilled players in the comp". Footy has the potential to make a much greater impact on society than just for the fans seeking premierships - I want indigenous players in the AFL because I want indigenous leaders, stars, idols. The more there are succeeding in our comp, the more likely young indigenous people are (men and women now) to have found an idol, to have found someone in whose footsteps they want to follow or to have found someone who proved that following a dream can turn into reality. At some point in our lives, whether it's a quote from Mark Twain, Gandhi or the Dalai Lama, or an achievement by Obama, Federer or someone in our local community, we've all been inspired by individuals. The more indigenous success stories in the AFL, the more individuals there are to bring hope to young indigenous people. As an avid AFL fan, that is something to be proud of. Already, Sam has spoken about wanting to be an inspiration to people back home. Amazing!! Tear to the eye stuff... I'm tipping that it won't be long before he's in our leadership group.

I am so happy where Carlton are at culturally, at the moment. We needed massive change, and we've got it. Having a somewhat close connection to Bolton (although I think it's obvious from the outside), I know we are creating a wonderful culture. A culture that encourages learning and respect for yourself and others. I feel that Bolts is going to view SPS as just that tiny bit more special than other players, because of his history and the sacrifices he's made to get where he is.

So, welcome aboard Sam. You are my favourite Carlton player already! So proud to be a Carlton person today and going forward, but equally stoked that so many clubs have picked up indigenous kids with their early selections.

Brilliant Post!

 

[ferrisb]

So 5 years after he retires, we finally pick up Kerr

Sounds like you've got this afl player thing Dan Pat....

Also we did just draft Daniel Kerr. Except his name is SPS...

 

[1981]

Best thing about all this is the simple fact we've added another raft of kids so we're now further into the rebuild

 

[HBF]

Gonna be an intense preseason, all jostling for a spot to impress BB and co. Should be a surprising Rd 1 team to face Richmond.

Getting very hard to pick our best 22 now.
One thing I am looking forward to is seeing Pickett and SPS play together. Should be very exciting.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

If williamson comes on like we all hope your going to witness something very special, the kid is a jet and only 17, has everything at his disposal.

So excited for Williamson! God i hope these two drafts are the basis of our future premiership side

 

[HBF]

Really??? I just don't see it....period. I just don't see how he adds to their list given their depth in KPPs. He'd never ever get a game so why pick him??? It wasn't just us & GWS who passed over Sproule, so did 16 other teams.

Let him get two years worth of development into him and we'll come along and swoop.

 

[Aphrodite]

I wanted SPS at pick 5 (6) and I wanted Zac Fisher at 25 (27), so I'm obviously stoked.

When I saw SPS over 12 months ago, I thought to myself "he's the most talented junior I've seen" and I figured pick 1 would be required to land him ... I've NEVER wanted a young player more, and started talking to my mates about him and bringing their attention to him.. At the same time, I really didn't want another spoon, but I was prepared to go through it. Then the Bombers copped their penalties and I figured we'd never have the chance. Seriously disappointed that he'd likely head that way and under those circumstances. As the season progressed and we won a few games, while the Dockers were struggling and looking likely to finish below us, I gave us no chance whatsoever. If the Bombers overlooked him, there would be no way he'd get past the Dockers.

As it panned out, injuries played their part, the Dockers traded out of their pick before ours, the stars aligned and we landed Sam. Having been keeping a close eye on him for some time, I am absolutely thrilled. I'm not only thrilled by the quality of footballer he is, I am thrilled by his character and that we have picked up an indigenous player from Halls Creek. I can't pin-point the feeling - it just warms my heart to have picked an indigenous lad at our first pick. The greatest aspect of our game, in my mind, is the indigenous representation - it exceeds indigenous representation in the general workforce, and is something that is mostly embraced as a wonderful part of our game. On this board, SPS has been embraced by nearly all. "Flight risk", "outside silk", "icing on the cake" have all been used as reasons by a small proportion who didn't want to take the "risk" on SPS. They seem to disregard that he has made more sacrifice than any of the players I'm aware of to get where he is today. Apparently, all the non-indigenous players around our pick carry no risk whatsoever - drafting is an easy game.

I don't deny that I am a huge supporter of indigenous players. It goes beyond the fact that they dominate representation in my list of "most skilled players in the comp". Footy has the potential to make a much greater impact on society than just for the fans seeking premierships - I want indigenous players in the AFL because I want indigenous leaders, stars, idols. The more there are succeeding in our comp, the more likely young indigenous people are (men and women now) to have found an idol, to have found someone in whose footsteps they want to follow or to have found someone who proved that following a dream can turn into reality. At some point in our lives, whether it's a quote from Mark Twain, Gandhi or the Dalai Lama, or an achievement by Obama, Federer or someone in our local community, we've all been inspired by individuals. The more indigenous success stories in the AFL, the more individuals there are to bring hope to young indigenous people. As an avid AFL fan, that is something to be proud of. Already, Sam has spoken about wanting to be an inspiration to people back home. Amazing!! Tear to the eye stuff... I'm tipping that it won't be long before he's in our leadership group.

I am so happy where Carlton are at culturally, at the moment. We needed massive change, and we've got it. Having a somewhat close connection to Bolton (although I think it's obvious from the outside), I know we are creating a wonderful culture. A culture that encourages learning and respect for yourself and others. I feel that Bolts is going to view SPS as just that tiny bit more special than other players, because of his history and the sacrifices he's made to get where he is.

So, welcome aboard Sam. You are my favourite Carlton player already! So proud to be a Carlton person today and going forward, but equally stoked that so many clubs have picked up indigenous kids with their early selections.

Brilliant post fnm!

 

[HBF]

After SPS and Fisher, both of who I rate, none of the other kids were are reach, infact sliders given their quality. another great draft period

Two years in a row we have 100% nailed our draft.
I've been on BF for ages I can't remember a time when the majority of us have been very pleased with our haul at the draft.

 

[1981]

Some famous names on our list...

Silvagni
Buckley
Mckay
Kerr

 

[Sector 7G]

Really??? I just don't see it....period. I just don't see how he adds to their list given their depth in KPPs. He'd never ever get a game so why pick him??? It wasn't just us & GWS who passed over Sproule, so did 16 other teams.

While Marshall was stinking it up in the U18 GF, Sproule had to be moved forward and had immediate impact. Good sized and showed plenty. I am surprised that teams passed on him. One of the few Sheik approved 195+ key defenders in the draft.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

I could be wrong, but watching the draft last night, I thought that Fox Footy had Kerr ranked in the late 20's and Fisher in the late 30's.

Kerr needs to work miracles to get his game to translate

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Some famous names on our list...

Silvagni
Buckley
Mckay
Kerr

Petrevski Seton

 

[Sector 7G]

That was never the reason to pick Scrimshaw so early.

A quick HBF, that is a great user of the ball that SOS thinks will eventually be able to go through the midfield. Can't see how he could be compared to Scrimshaw.

 

[HARKER]

Brilliant post.

Brilliant Post!

Brilliant post fnm!

First of all it is a very heart-felt post. It's quite beautiful actually and puts a spotlight on an 'individual's' back-story rather than putting forward blind, ignorant, non-researched comments such as 'flight risk' but......there are generalisations enclosed.

Some of us seem to somehow take offence when comparing one indigenous player to another, yet here we have someone saying they love watching indigenous players as they're the "most skilled players in the comp"

That's not a slight in any way on what fnm put forward and in no way should it be......but it does present a dilemma where we're seemingly happy to pool together race when it comes to something positive, but not so much when it's in any way perceived to be negative.

This has nothing to do with my own views but rather just looking at the situation.
Frankly, I wish we never had to bring up race/sex/religion and that we all saluted the same flag.....but we don't.....yet.

 

[bmaurizio]

Brilliant Post!

Great post Navara79 and I agree totally , I too have being wishing the dream of Silvagni calling out his number and its come true.
Sam has skill and finesses to burn , great desire and a driven attitude to do the hard yards so refreshing in a young gun.
I'm sure success will come to him early on he'll be one of our very good player before too long.
Imagining Cripps feeding SPP and Pickett its just unbelievable if the stars aligns correctly we need some luck too, Silvagni's first two drafts will have been huge and instrumental in our rebuild.
Go Baggers

 

[ferrisb]

Can't quote it from the thread, but below, is my post from September 16th, in the rumour thread.... Thank you fat hairy intoxicated sleazy man. Thank you for allowing me to finally get something right....

Sep 16th... Post 3585
"Ok, finally I have an actual rumour...
The source is probably completely unreliable, but it's a rumour nonetheless.

I just got home from a function, There was a quite intoxicated man there who took quite a liking to MrsCoach16. As I was "saving" her, he struck up a conversation with me. Mumbled and splattered something about having "contacts at Carlton"....

Immediately I thought BF! After a little persuasion, he told me there's a kid we're getting at the draft. Both the club and the boy are Already committed. Apparently, the club told him to NOT attend any draft camps, keep a low profile, etc and they would definitely pick him up...

Not sure where the boy is from, or even where he's playing. But supposedly an onballer who wins his own footy.
Goes by the name "Cam Polson".

Does anyone know this name or heard of this kid?"

2015 - SOSOS
2016 - Polson

Next year, whichever kid has a 'shoulder injury' and doesn't attend testing... Is a monty to be drafted by us with a pick in the 50s...

 

[Azul]

A quick HBF, that is a great user of the ball that SOS thinks will eventually be able to go through the midfield. Can't see how he could be compared to Scrimshaw.

Albeit some were hyping Scrimsure as the second coming of Bont. It's all about finding the next Bont.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Some famous names on our list...

Silvagni
Buckley
Mckay
Kerr

Krippafides

 

[Blue_Fusion]

So excited for Williamson! God i hope these two drafts are the basis of our future premiership side

We've got one more draft to go and we have to nail it. Next year, 2 top 10 picks are vital. 2018 1st for another 2017 top 7 pick. After next year's draft we will be set.

 

[chunkylover53]

It's good to see we have a pretty simple plan and stick to it. Best available player who will service us the most.

None of these speculative picks like ****ing Bootsma where they're trying to be too clever for their own good


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[Raging Blue]

We've got one more draft to go and we have to nail it. Next year, 2 top 10 picks are vital. 2018 1st for another 2017 top 7 pick. After next year's draft we will be set.

Don't completely agree. If you count last year's draft with this year's & GWS boys we have picked up last year & this year, then we have really done equivalent to three drafts. We can now start to cherry pick class. It's all about development now. Really, 2018 should see great win loss improvement.

 

[Jimmae]

A quick HBF, that is a great user of the ball that SOS thinks will eventually be able to go through the midfield. Can't see how he could be compared to Scrimshaw.

Fair enough, but Scrimshaw really does have that potential to be a dynamic threat coming out of the clearances, where as Williamson is more outside.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Got to give it to the Richmond poster who at the time of our pick for Macreadie, said some thing like:

"Carlton now taking GWS players before they've even played for GWS"

More, cutting out the middle man and taking GWS players straight out of the draft pool.

 

[Mezzoculo]

Well, well, well.

Harrison Macreadie will play for the club he supported as a child after Carlton selected the Henty product at pick 47 in the AFL draft.

What a pleasant surprise!

“It’s a dream come true, I’m going to my favourite club. It’s better than I could have expected,” he said.

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/4317836/wild-about-harry/

 

[Michael Jezz]

Don't completely agree. If you count last year's draft with this year's & GWS boys we have picked up last year & this year, then we have really done equivalent to three drafts. We can now start to cherry pick class. It's all about development now. Really, 2018 should see great win loss improvement.

We are short 2 big bodied mids, 2 outside mids minimum. At least 1 A grade big bodied ruckman and 1 genuine key forward. Another draft if we hit all the picks and realisticalky 2 drafts