Strategy 2016 Draft Needs

[WaynesWorld19]

Gun !!!! Top 8 though and we will miss out by a fair bit . Our pick will need to be a guy that's not complete player but can project into a complete player with good coaching

Sometimes the incomplete player has a higher ceiling than the complete player at U18 level

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Is Graham the Sth Australian ?

Won the medal for best in the whole carnival .... Plays at max intensity without polish . Lots to like and a fair bit not to with disposal and class issues v similar to Dunstan IMO

 

[Danger in Texas]

Gun !!!! Top 8 though and we will miss out by a fair bit . Our pick will need to be a guy that's not complete player but can project into a complete player with good coaching

I know, I love him, very much the complete package. Was just seeing if Wayne was turned off by his height

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Won the medal for best in the whole carnival .... Plays at max intensity without polish . Lots to like and a fair bit not to with disposal and class issues v similar to Dunstan IMO

I'll admit haven't watched much of Championships yet ......but first impression of Graham that hit me was his thick legs ......normally associated with slower players & if he has that shape at U18 level, i'd question the amount of upside ......but hell, that's a 1 minute snapshot

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I'll admit haven't watched much of Championships yet ......but first impression of Graham that hit me was his thick legs ......normally associated with slower players & if he has that shape at U18 level, i'd question the amount of upside ......but hell, that's a 1 minute snapshot

You will be impressed with his work rate , wills himself to every contest and plays like Joel Selwood intensity without the polish

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You will be impressed with his work rate , wills himself to every contest and plays like Joel Selwood intensity without the polish

But will he be able to do that at AFL level speed of the game ? .....getting quicker by the year

 

[Jeffcrowe]

But will he be able to do that at AFL level speed of the game ? .....getting quicker by the year

He will definitely be an AFL player - no issue there - a given low risk pick, character and leadership etc

Just depends on whether there is higher untapped talent they think can be nurtured

Let me know what you think after watching some footage

 

[WaynesWorld19]

He will definitely be an AFL player - no issue there - a given low risk pick, character and leadership etc

Just depends on whether there is higher untapped talent they think can be nurtured

Let me know what you think after watching some footage

No problems .......so long to go, many players develop after the Championships .....the rankings will change significantly

 

[Jeffcrowe]

No problems .......so long to go, many players develop after the Championships .....the rankings will change significantly

No doubt but only 6-8 games to go before judgement . Very interesting , lots of depth and limited top end talent in this draft

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No doubt but only 6-8 games to go before judgement . Very interesting , lots of depth and limited top end talent in this draft

Seen players rocket up the rankings after the TAC U18 Grand Final .......so many come from the clouds a month out from the Draft ......i am amazed considering clubs say they've tracked players since U16, that opinions ARE dramatically changed in the last month

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Does tracking players from younger age groups help or hinder?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Does tracking players from younger age groups help or hinder?

IMO it has little bearing .....they can stop growing (Sellar) ......stop developing ......or lose the work effort

It's all about the final year ......and often about the final 6 months

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Does tracking players from younger age groups help or hinder?

It's more about tracking their character and family upbringing etc... Gives more scope to get more info the earlier you track them

Also good to see improvement curve or the opposite

 

[Bicks]

It's more about tracking their character and family upbringing etc... Gives more scope to get more info the earlier you track them

Also good to see improvement curve or the opposite

I'd agree with all that but add the proviso that injuries can intervene and their impact need to be taken into account regarding that 'curve'......this applies to several in this year's draft especially Jarrod Berry whose recovery from a quite serious shoulder injury has impeded his preparation this season......If he's still there at our pick I'd be wrapped to select him. Have a sneaky feeling the GCS will be right into him with his unquestionable character and leadership traits, something they really lack...

Hugh McCluggage has also been managing a back complaint this season but has still managed to play some pretty special footy.....I'm pretty confident he is the one out and out star in this draft.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I'd agree with all that but add the proviso that injuries can intervene and their impact need to be taken into account regarding that 'curve'......this applies to several in this year's draft especially Jarrod Berry whose recovery from a quite serious shoulder injury has impeded his preparation this season......If he's still there at our pick I'd be wrapped to select him. Have a sneaky feeling the GCS will be right into him with his unquestionable character and leadership traits, something they really lack...

Hugh McCluggage has also been managing a back complaint this season but has still managed to play some pretty special footy.....I'm pretty confident he is the one out and out star in this draft.

What you think of berry's kicking and speed/agility?

 

[latinoheat]

Brett Anderson's top 25 draft prospects updated today....

http://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/07-16/afl-draft-new-no-1-in-updated-big-board#wrHfVljG2i2jHZ2S.97

Marty likes this

 

[DD#23]

Seen players rocket up the rankings after the TAC U18 Grand Final .......so many come from the clouds a month out from the Draft ......i am amazed considering clubs say they've tracked players since U16, that opinions ARE dramatically changed in the last month

these rankings these players are rocketing up aren't the club's though, correct?

 

[Bicks]

What you think of berry's kicking and speed/agility?

I read some reckon his kicking is only average but I definitely don't go along with that, IMO he's the complete package, good pace and great in traffic, if he goes outside the top 10 someone is getting an absolute bargain. WILL play midfield for certain so anyone that just classes him as a rebounding defender going forward will be in for a surprise.

 

[Bicks]

Seen players rocket up the rankings after the TAC U18 Grand Final .......so many come from the clouds a month out from the Draft ......i am amazed considering clubs say they've tracked players since U16, that opinions ARE dramatically changed in the last month

Get a better idea what players are on the club radars when the AFL releases the names of those invited to the Draft Combine...if their names not on that list they will struggle to get drafted. From memory the list is announced around the end of July with each club naming 50 players they want to assess and a player must receive at least 5 nominations from different clubs to be selected. If not selected for the AFL Combine their next option is the State Combines.

Edit :
As you can see most of the players invited last year got drafted, not many not on that list got drafted. The Pies "smokey" Brayden Sier a noted exclusion.
Also dispels the argument that Tom Doedee wasn't on other club's radars too because at least 5 clubs must have nominated him to get a spot.

2015 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE INVITEES

South Australia
Matthew Allen - Glenelg
Riley Bonner - West Adelaide
Ryan Burton - North Adelaide
Aaron Francis - West Adelaide
Cameron Hewett - North Adelaide
Oleg Markov - North Adelaide
Wayne Milera - Central Districts
Andre Parrella - Sturt
Luke Partington - Norwood
Mason Redman - Glenelg
Will Snelling - West Adelaide
Stephen Tahana - North Adelaide

Vic Country
Tom Cole - Bendigo Pioneers
Kieran Collins - Dandenong Stingrays
Charlie Curnow - Geelong Falcons
Tom Doedee - Geelong Falcons
Josh Dunkley - Gippsland Power
Thomas Glen - Dandenong Stingrays
Nash Holmes - Gippsland Power
Aidyn Johnson - Bendigo Pioneers
Thomas Jok - Dandenong Stingrays
Rhys Mathieson - Geelong Falcons
Ben McKay - Gippsland Power
Harry McKay - Gippsland Power
Kurt Mutimer - Dandenong Stingrays
Gach Nyuon - Dandenong Stingrays
Clayton Oliver - Murray Bushrangers
Darcy Parish - Geelong Falcons
Bailey Rice - Dandenong Stingrays
Josh Schache - Murray Bushrangers
Sam Skinner - Gippsland Power
Darcy Tucker - North Ballarat Rebels
Jacob Weitering - Dandenong Stingrays
Brandon White - Dandenong Stingrays

Vic Metro
Harley Balic - Sandringham Dragons
Ryan Clarke - Eastern Ranges
Ben Crocker - Oakleigh Chargers
David Cuningham - Oakleigh Chargers
Brayden Fiorini - Northern Knights
Jack Firns - Oakleigh Chargers
Jade Gresham - Northern Knights
Blake Hardwick - Eastern Ranges
Daniel Houston - Oakleigh Chargers
Liam Jeffs - Eastern Ranges
Hisham Kerbatieh - Calder Cannons
Tyrone Leonardis - Northern Knights
Darcy MacPherson - Northern Knights
Callum Moore - Calder Cannons
Alex Morgan - Oakleigh Chargers
Nick O'Kearney - Calder Cannons
James Parsons - Eastern Ranges
Jack Silvagni - Oakleigh Chargers
Sam Weideman - Eastern Ranges

Western Australia
Callum Ah Chee - South Fremantle
Greg Clark - Subiaco
Jesse Glass-McCasker - Swan Districts
Brayden Hackett - Swan Districts
Declan Mountford - Claremont
Joshua Schoenfeld - Peel Thunder
Dylan Smith - Swan Districts

NSW/ACT
Jock Cornell - Mangoplah CUE
Matthew Flynn - Narrandera
Harrison Himmelberg - Eastlake/Mangoplah CUE
Jacob Hopper - Leeton-Whitton/North Ballarat Rebels
Matthew Kennedy - Collingulli-GP
Callum Mills - North Shore
Lachlan Tiziani - Albury/Murray Bushrangers

Northern Territory
Davin Ferriera - Wanderers/Norwood
Daniel Rioli - St Marys/North Ballarat Rebels

Queensland
Mabior Chol - Yeronga
Eric Hipwood - Aspley
Ben Keays - Redlands/Morningside
Corey Wagner - Aspley
Reuben William - Wilston Grange/Zillmere

Tasmania
Mitchell Hibberd - Clarence
Kieran Lovell - Kingston Tigers

 

[WaynesWorld19]

these rankings these players are rocketing up aren't the club's though, correct?

no ...supposed draft experts ....phantom drafts

 

[DD#23]

no ...supposed draft experts ....phantom drafts

supposed is exactly my point, I'm just a bit surprised that you'd drag the clubs into it and question their tracking that's all. Obviously their assessments are better than the half-arsed Aussie sports journalists (what a wicket they're on).

granted there are one or two who have some idea, or some good contacts, but 90% of the stuff written on the draft is just recycled group think.

 

[LikeATiger9]

I read some reckon his kicking is only average but I definitely don't go along with that, IMO he's the complete package, good pace and great in traffic, if he goes outside the top 10 someone is getting an absolute bargain. WILL play midfield for certain so anyone that just classes him as a rebounding defender going forward will be in for a surprise.

Any chance of Witherden lasting to our first pick. I know he is out for this year with his leg but we took a punt on Lever too. I also like Berry as an option. What are you thoughts on Taranto and Rotham? These 2 look very impressive.

 

[Mismatched]

Seen players rocket up the rankings after the TAC U18 Grand Final .......so many come from the clouds a month out from the Draft ......i am amazed considering clubs say they've tracked players since U16, that opinions ARE dramatically changed in the last month

Are they dramatically changed, or is it that the amatuer draft watchers/media only notice the late? Thus we only hear about them late.

 

[Squiba]

I agree with WW on pure outside players. Imo, even the best pure outsiders are worth a late first rounder at best. So many fail to impact at AFL level, think James Aish. I'd looks at good ones from the second round onwards, no higher.

 

[Cleric]

On Scharenberg Brenton Phillips said this
“He’s your classic inside midfielder who works really hard both ways and finds plenty of the ball. A class act who is one of those unique footballers in that he doesn’t look like he’s working particularly hard but once you get his GPS data you realise he has.’’

On Graham he said this
“A tough inside midfielder who is a bit of a bull. He goes really hard and attacks the contest and the player with the ball with ferocity. When he wins the footy he is able to use it pretty well too.’’

We need an inside mid this draft.
For me I would want us to take either Scharenberg or Graham.