Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[teagueyubeauty]

What are your thoughts on interstate first round draftees?


For me personally, the landscape has changed so much they will inevitably leave to go home.

The stigma has been removed about

a) changing clubs
b) getting homesick

We have benefitted from this through Docherty, Marchbank, Jaksch etc and most importantly Judd (who really was a big part of the changing the landscape).

Meh, players mostly want to play in the Mecca of football and be completely immersed in the culture.

This is an issue for interstate clubs mostly with players wanting to play in the uber fishbowl.

Whilst I'm not saying it won't happen but the much higher likelihood will affect the interstate clubs far more than Victorian clubs.

 

[ParapMarkets]

I don't know about you but I just want a workhorse. We are rebuilding we need solid, tough competitors. I can't deal with another Yarran or Menzel. It is just not what we need right now. They are the cream on top. Gibbs could go next year. Murphy will be rotating through the midfield less and less. Why would we use our first pick on someone who could be flashy and brilliant, but inconsistent. It is counter productive.

Yes, it's a tough one and to be honest I'm not sure who I want us to pick. All I am saying is that taking into account the kicking deficiencies of both Taranto and Brodie (and Taranto's lack of pace) I am not against selecting the guy who can kick beautifully on both sides of the body, and who makes great decisions in tight situations.

Getting a workhorse would be great but they need to have quality as well. Kerridge is a workhorse, Ed Curnow is a workhorse, we already have workhorses who turn the ball over. We should be also able to recruit a pretty good workhorse with our second pick, but we probably won't get the opportunity to recruit the quality of SPS again.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't have the exact same concerns as you, but I don't see much comparison between this kid and with Yarran or Menzel. There may be some risk attached to SPS, but there is also risk to the other two as well, it's just a different kind of risk.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I don't see how 5 cm allows you to tower over anything to be honest.

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[teagueyubeauty]

Yeah, there's obviously a lot of stuff I can't talk about. It wasn't anything to do with recruitment strategy or draft selections. Also it was definitely mutual and he definitely had to move on, it wasn't just Luke quitting. That being said, he is a top bloke and I hope he does well at Richmond or wherever he goes in the future.

Far out get off the everybodies a great bloke fence and give a little insight...sheesh

 

[ParapMarkets]

Meh, players mostly want to play in the Mecca of football and be completely immersed in the culture.

This is an issue for interstate clubs mostly with players wanting to play in the uber fishbowl.

Whilst I'm not saying it won't happen but the much higher likelihood will affect the interstate clubs far more than Victorian clubs.

Yep, SPS has repeatedly stated that he hopes to play in Melbourne, I just don't see much go-home factor to worry about at all. If we pick Taranto, Brodie or Scrimshaw ahead of him, I want it to be because they are considered better long term prospects for our team, not because of fear of state of origin.

 

[Foucault1989]

Yes, it's a tough one and to be honest I'm not sure who I want us to pick. All I am saying is that taking into account the kicking deficiencies of both Taranto and Brodie (and Taranto's lack of pace) I am not against selecting the guy who can kick beautifully on both sides of the body, and who makes great decisions in tight situations.

Getting a workhorse would be great but they need to have quality as well. Kerridge is a workhorse, Ed Curnow is a workhorse, we already have workhorses who turn the ball over. We should be also able to recruit a pretty good workhorse with our second pick, but we probably won't get the opportunity to recruit the quality of SPS again.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't have the exact same concerns as you, but I don't see much comparison between this kid and with Yarran or Menzel. There may be some risk attached to SPS, but there is also risk to the other two as well, it's just a different kind of risk.

Well said mate! Such a tough decision! I'd love some 3 years from now hindsight right now haha

 

[SABlue]

Yes, it's a tough one and to be honest I'm not sure who I want us to pick. All I am saying is that taking into account the kicking deficiencies of both Taranto and Brodie (and Taranto's lack of pace) I am not against selecting the guy who can kick beautifully on both sides of the body, and who makes great decisions in tight situations.

Getting a workhorse would be great but they need to have quality as well. Kerridge is a workhorse, Ed Curnow is a workhorse, we already have workhorses who turn the ball over. We should be also able to recruit a pretty good workhorse with our second pick, but we probably won't get the opportunity to recruit the quality of SPS again.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't have the exact same concerns as you, but I don't see much comparison between this kid and with Yarran or Menzel. There may be some risk attached to SPS, but there is also risk to the other two as well, it's just a different kind of risk.

All valid points. But Taranto is hardly a work horse. The pace is hardly a worry because of the quick decisions and cleaness of hand. Pendlebury for example is proof of that. I really don't care to much, all 3 will be very very good players for along time.

 

[Funk]

Not sure that there was much "Pick only Vic players" in last years decisions. Which of the selections had a non-vic player competing with them for selection at that point ???

#1. Weitering. Clear #1 selection
#10. We needed a KPF. Best available was McKay and we thought that Adelaide would take him with #11 so we took him with #10. If anything the Crows selected for a state kid as they didn't want to risk picking up Curnow
#12. Curnow. Probably should have gone higher but we all know why he slid.
#23. Cuningham. You could argue that we wen't for him because he is a Vic kid however the next 3 non-academy selections were also vic kids ..........
#53. SOSOS .............


Don't think there was much "avoid the interstate kids" involved in last years selections.

Incorrect - have it directly from key people there was a strong focus on local "kids".

Expect it to continue.

 

[Funk]

What if that player is clearly the best player in the draft?

Why the hell wouldn't you?


JGM? WA kid.


Elite how? He can roost it, but his technique is all over the shop, and he regularly fluffs passes.

His skinny frame probably has a say in him keeping balance while kicking under pressure, but take a look at even the highlight videos and you will watch him spray simple snaps.

JGM could have been taken with the pick after Jack.

SOS took a time out to discuss options and chose to "pass" on that pick and take him up as a rookie instead - mainly because of the "go home" factor.

 

[ParapMarkets]

All valid points. But Taranto is hardly a work horse. The pace is hardly a worry because of the quick decisions and cleaness of hand. Pendlebury for example is proof of that. I really don't care to much, all 3 will be very very good players for along time.

Clean hands? I don't think his hands are anywhere near as clean as Brodie or SPS, in fact I think his fumbling is a bit of a weakness. I don't want to sound negative about him because I do like him, goal kicking mids are worth there weight in gold.

 

[Funk]

I'd even go futher and say it makes or breaks the build of a team. So often the difference between a contender and premiership team is the output of your 'role' players and the overall depth of your list.

Getting the most out of later draft/rookie picks and speculative trades/DFAs/ PSDs makes a huge difference.

Our Ratten era team had some of the best top-end talent in the league but we couldn't get much out of lesser lights.

Absolutely spot on here Rudy!!!

 

[GoBlues!]

I liked your post (it was a good point), but I also disagree with it.

Judd turned out to be the best player in the comp (at the time he switched clubs). So WCE extracted top value from him. He was the exception, not the rule.

In most cases, when one of your players wants to go home, you're going to get less for him than what his true value is.

In theory, Vic clubs have the most to risk by drafting out-of-towners, as there are fewer suitors in a go-home situation.

True. I guess the point is do you not draft an interstate player because he might go home, and you're likely to get less than true value for him if he goes?

As some have suggested, if it's a line ball call between SPS, Taranto or Brodie then sure go with local lad.

It will be interesting if SPS is selected by SOS, and whether the go-home factor is part of the decision.

 

[Funk]

pick 70:



Was mentioned as a rookie chance by Cal and Nat - a skinny kid who could replace Jones and Gorringe up forward.

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[SABlue]

Clean hands? I don't think his hands are anywhere near as clean as Brodie or SPS, in fact I think his fumbling is a bit of a weakness. I don't want to sound negative about him because I do like him, goal kicking mids are worth there weight in gold.

Look, I am not going to go to war over it. Would be happy with any 1 of the 3. All 3 have weaknesses like all draftees. Brodie's rushed decision making is one. From what I have seen and speaking to some that it's their job to know feel that Taranto is clean and creates time in tight confines. Less likely to bang it out of a contest.
I think it was your point about what could be available with our 2nd could dictate our first pick. Which means SPS becomes I real option and I love that too. Brodie will be ready round 1 to go straight in the middle but maybe a lower ceiling. Taranto will probably start round 1, playing majority half forward mixing through the middle with a slightly higher ceiling. SPS maybe starting in the 2's then the 1's playing as a forward but with the highest ceiling.

 

[Nori]

It's natural to want to load up on the the types of players that are showing the most promise, i.e. the Cripps type of contested ball beast.

The thing about Cripps is he also has elite disposal by hand. In fact top midfielders must be able to not only get the ball but hurt the opposition with their disposal. I'd say Carlton desperately needs 2-3 mids that can hit the forwards lace out at pace.

So I'd be very comfortable with an SPS type at pick 5.

 

[Funk]

I liked your post (it was a good point), but I also disagree with it.

Judd turned out to be the best player in the comp (at the time he switched clubs). So WCE extracted top value from him. He was the exception, not the rule.

In most cases, when one of your players wants to go home, you're going to get less for him than what his true value is.

In theory, Vic clubs have the most to risk by drafting out-of-towners, as there are fewer suitors in a go-home situation.

Great post ferrisb - and it wasn't even funny!

 

[Space Cadet]

What are the concerns about SPS's work rate?
From what I've gathered, he's played most his junior games in the midfield. Its not like he's a flanker/small forward that could potentially develop into a mid.

 

[ParapMarkets]

Look, I am not going to go to war over it. Would be happy with any 1 of the 3. All 3 have weaknesses like all draftees. Brodie's rushed decision making is one. From what I have seen and speaking to some that it's their job to know feel that Taranto is clean and creates time in tight confines. Less likely to bang it out of a contest.
I think it was your point about what could be available with our 2nd could dictate our first pick. Which means SPS becomes I real option and I love that too. Brodie will be ready round 1 to go straight in the middle but maybe a lower ceiling. Taranto will probably start round 1, playing majority half forward mixing through the middle with a slightly higher ceiling. SPS maybe starting in the 2's then the 1's playing as a forward but with the highest ceiling.

Yes, I think both SPS and Taranto would start forward if recruited.

I would love to know how our recruiters are thinking. I can see a case for all 3 and also Scrimshaw. SOS may really like a big guy like Drew or someone like that and if he thinks they will be there with our second may well go for the silk of SPS with our first.

Not sure when exams finish (end of next week maybe), that's when the re-interviewing happens and everything starts to become a lot clearer.

 

[ParapMarkets]

What are the concerns about SPS's work rate?
From what I've gathered, he's played most his junior games in the midfield. Its not like he's a flanker/small forward that could potentially develop into a mid.

I was reading his coaches assessment of him and that's what he listed as his "needs to improve". He was confident SPS would eat things up in a professional club environment though, and said he is the best talent he has ever seen.

 

[SABlue]

Yes, I think both SPS and Taranto would start forward if recruited.

I would love to know how our recruiters are thinking. I can see a case for all 3 and also Scrimshaw. SOS may really like a big guy like Drew or someone like that and if he thinks they will be there with our second may well go for the silk of SPS with our first.

Not sure when exams finish (end of next week maybe), that's when the re-interviewing happens and everything starts to become a lot clearer.

Likewise, although I hope he isn't thinking of Drew. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't next years draft have some outstanding tall's in the top 10. Assuming that we will finish roughly around where we finished this year, we could be in the position to get a tall of far better quality than Drew this year.

 

[TerryWallet]

Brodie will be ready round 1 to go straight in the middle but maybe a lower ceiling. Taranto will probably start round 1, playing majority half forward mixing through the middle with a slightly higher ceiling. SPS maybe starting in the 2's then the 1's playing as a forward but with the highest ceiling.

All 3 players will walk into our Rd1 team SAB. They are ready to go. If they take bit of time to learn, let em learn in the seniors. We have plenty of time and plenty of room in the 1st 22. If it is attitude that keeps them out, then we have picked the wrong one.

Whichever one of these 3 players we get should never pull on a NB's jumper.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Likewise, although I hope he isn't thinking of Drew. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't next years draft have some outstanding tall's in the top 10. Assuming that we will finish roughly around where we finished this year, we could be in the position to get a tall of far better quality than Drew this year.

Drew is just a tall mid, not a key position player

 

[coryne]

Incorrect - have it directly from key people there was a strong focus on local "kids".

Expect it to continue.

Which interstate kid was overlooked by the club for a Vic kid ???

 

[Old navy]

It's natural to want to load up on the the types of players that are showing the most promise, i.e. the Cripps type of contested ball beast.

The thing about Cripps is he also has elite disposal by hand. In fact top midfielders must be able to not only get the ball but hurt the opposition with their disposal. I'd say Carlton desperately needs 2-3 mids that can hit the forwards lace out at pace.

So I'd be very comfortable with an SPS type at pick 5.

Why I like SPS is he is a genuine midfielder and a very rounded player.
Is flashy, but also cracks in hard to win he's own footy, also seem love too do the hard stuff, applying defencive pressure and chasing and tackling all come very naturally to this kid.
He is one of highest rated prospects to come from junior footy in recent years.
Recruiters have said the footy he played as 16yo was as good as any they'd seen and coming into the year he was considered a likely number 1 pick.
Injuries had a pretty big impact on his year, but he still managed to get on the park and play some pretty solid footy.
If classy ball use is a high priority, we really can't go passed SPS.

 

[ParapMarkets]

Drew is just a tall mid, not a key position player

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I laugh every time I see it.