Analysis 2016 Draft...

[EddieWalker]

People struggling with Rockliff's name all trade period was bad enough, but now we can't even spell Talia correctly.....

 

[ad victoriam]

There is no other alternative than to wait. He may get to 50 games, but saying that it doesnt prove a lot, Mackay is on 150 but is probably equivelant to a third rounder in quality. Hampton, Menzel and Seedsman all have 50 games, I wouldnt rate any of them first rounders but I think Menzel and Hampton were actually first rounders. I may over expect from first rounders, but Tahlia, Dangerfield qualify as first rounders, jury is still out on the crouch boys but if they step it up they could be match winners. Lever is honest and solid worth his pick at this stage but cant see us concerning ourselves being reliant on the chances of the team, like if Jacobs, Walker, Tahlia, betts or Sloane went down.

Still need to wait 50 games to say if he was worth a 1st round or not,
PS we did not select Menzel,Hampton or Seedsman with a 1st round pick. And MacKay was a 3rd round pick.
Lever, not yet 50 games but already showing his class, Matt and Brad are in the 40 game bracket and again showing there class.
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[Stiffy_18]

He will want to put on a shitload of weight to take himself into the midfield, the wing yes, but the mid is becoming a place of very strong bodies like Danger,Fyfe,Kennedy,Bonts, Priddis then you have tough nuts like Mitchell,Hodge, lewis, Viney, Libber,Handelbury, Jack, Sloane and Selwood. Cant see Milera being a tough nut and cant see him putting on the weight. Cameron you would rate as a tough nut but maybe too light, more hoping he goes into the mid as a tagger he is a fantastic tackler

Saying that Milera could destroy it on the wing like Michael Long or Peter Matera, they were freaks

Dunkley. Discuss!

 

[Hodgy]

Honestly not that keen on Taranto myself, despite his excellent recent form. He'll probably have a good career at the next level, but I'm confident both Florent and Venables will be better players long-term. Would be stoked to land either of those two, and Taranto will go top 12 anyway so it's a moot point.

I don't agree with the notion that we should take someone as "outside" as Simpkin or Bolton, Berry I don't view as a top 15 talent, and Powell-Pepper is simply no chance of being selected by us due to his poor kicking. Gallucci = yuck.

Other than Florent and Venables, the other one that I'd be a big fan of us selecting is the kid from Norwood, Alex Villis. Might be considered pretty left-field at 13 (but there's no way he's still around at 43) but I see a player with an extremely high footy IQ and some real x-factor when I watch him. The decision making is really a standout for a kid that young too. Google him if you haven't checked him out yet. I definitely think he should be added to the poll too.

Scharenberg at 43 is not out of the question. Probably more likely to be selected in the 25-40 range but you'd think we'd pounce if he did drop.

This is why Port downgraded their picks IMO. SA boys are criminally underated as usual over East and The Smears now have 3 picks where they can take guys like Villis, Hayward and Scharenberg. All look like being available 5-10 positions lower than they deserve to go.
If we do take Villis at 13 then that would just make our trade period more of a joke as we could have traded that pick down and got him and another pick in the 20's.

 

[headache1]

Its the way he will get a gig in the Mid

Who tackles better than him in the side?

Can go with the best on pace?

He doesnt get leather poisoning and doesnt look like he will, reckon he will play somewhat as a tagger depending on the opposition in the mid otherwise a flanker or wingman

That's where I see him fitting in.

That said, he's not a midget at 184cm and he's put on size far quicker than I thought he would. Still learning the game too. I think we'd be foolish to pigeonhole him as anything at this stage.

 

[marty36]

This is why Port downgraded their picks IMO. SA boys are criminally underated as usual over East and The Smears now have 3 picks where they can take guys like Villis, Hayward and Scharenberg. All look like being available 5-10 positions lower than they deserve to go.
If we do take Villis at 13 then that would just make our trade period more of a joke as we could have traded that pick down and got him and another pick in the 20's.

Interesting one, SA team finished second in the u/18 championship but according to the phantoms will struggle to get a kid in the first round. Must be the coach of the team, he must be a gun!

 

[Scorpus]

I'm not sure that they refute the argument to take the best available. There's a #1, #2, #3, #7, #7, #8 all could be said to have been the best available at the time that just happened to be a mid.

3 that were not taken through the draft, and a father/son that went at 40.

Even Mitchell was the 5th pick Hawthorn had in that draft.

Chris Judd - #3 Priority pick (2001)
Ben Cousins - Not drafted (old F/S selection) (1995)
Daniel Kerr - #18 - (2000)

Jason Akermanis - Not drafted (Zone selection) (1994)
Michael Voss - Not drafted (Can't find how he got onto list) (1991?)
Nigel Lappin - #2 (1993)

Jimmy Bartel - #8 (2001)
Joel Selwood - #7 (2006)
Gary Ablett - #40 (F/S selection)

Sam Mitchell - #36 (Hawthorn's 5th pick in the draft)
Luke Hodge - #1 Priority pick (2001)
Jordan Lewis - #7 (2004)

Interesting that only 6 of the 12 players you listed were drafted via legitimate draft picks

 

[headache1]

Interesting one, SA team finished second in the u/18 championship but according to the phantoms will struggle to get a kid in the first round. Must be the coach of the team, he must be a gun!

I guess with AFL scouts, they're not just looking at how good they are right now. There may be players who are more ready to go and make an earlier impact in the AFL, but will those players still be better than their peers in 3-4 years time? Think that's where it becomes tricky being an AFL recruiter.

 

[marty36]

That's where I see him fitting in.

That said, he's not a midget at 184cm and he's put on size far quicker than I thought he would. Still learning the game too. I think we'd be foolish to pigeonhole him as anything at this stage.

I think he is open to HFF when Betts is gone ,HBF unlikely as we have 10 of them, BP unlikely re HBF,FP when betts is gone or wing, but only mid when required for a match up, far from pidgeon holed

 

[CrowinNT]

Its the way he will get a gig in the Mid

Who tackles better than him in the side?

Can go with the best on pace?

He doesnt get leather poisoning and doesnt look like he will, reckon he will play somewhat as a tagger depending on the opposition in the mid otherwise a flanker or wingman

I think you need to quit this nonsense.
A tagger is very negating. Charlie is the opposite of any "tagging" role I can think of. The only tag association I can think of for a No 23 is that they are the ones being tagged.

 

[marty36]

I think you need to quit this nonsense.
A tagger is very negating. Charlie is the opposite of any "tagging" role I can think of. The only tag association I can think of for a No 23 is that they are the ones being tagged.

Do you think he is going to get 25 possesions or more on a consistent level?

I like Cameron but his strenght is his tackling and pressure, but that suits negating roles normally!

 

[huludicidal]

I don't get what makes you think we won't take some as outside as Simpkin or Bolton with 13, then go on to suggest taking Villis at 13? The kid is outside and light-bodied as ****. No way will he be taken by us at 13.

Well, I just see more potential for Villis to develop into a combination mid. He has made great strides with his tackling and I think his frame will allow for more muscle to be added than either of Simpkin or Bolton.

I guess we'll wait and see. I think Villis is far more likely to end up being selected at 13 than some of the names in the poll.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Well, I just see more potential for Villis to develop into a combination mid. He has made great strides with his tackling and I think his frame will allow for more muscle to be added than either of Simpkin or Bolton.

I guess we'll wait and see. I think Villis is far more likely to end up being selected at 13 than some of the names in the poll.

Each to their own. I personally don't see that development in Villis, hence why he's not even in my top 40. Who knows who will be right, though.

 

[Hodgy]

Interesting one, SA team finished second in the u/18 championship but according to the phantoms will struggle to get a kid in the first round. Must be the coach of the team, he must be a gun!

I think that turkey on the AFL site had a top 30 after the champs and there was something like 13 players from Vic Metro and none at all from SA. Pretty sure if that was even close to being true they would have pumped us by 30 goals which was obviously not the case. Everyone has been laughing at Port for trading down but I see teams do this to great effect in the NFL all the time and until we see the result of what they get in 3 years or so then it's impossible to judge. Personally I think their plan was to get picks ahead of our second so that they would have their choice of SA talent as we are highly unlikely to take an SA lad with 13 (in fact they would have assumed that we wouldn't even have that when they did their trades). We'll see I suppose in a few weeks.

 

[marty36]

Well, I just see more potential for Villis to develop into a combination mid. He has made great strides with his tackling and I think his frame will allow for more muscle to be added than either of Simpkin or Bolton.

I guess we'll wait and see. I think Villis is far more likely to end up being selected at 13 than some of the names in the poll.

Youre right on the improvement, started the year lucky to get drafted, you would think he is now a certainty, just how low he will go, I know Norwoood rate him very very high some believe the best in SA, Im not sure about that, but would think 30-40

 

[fabs33]

Cameron you would rate as a tough nut but maybe too light, more hoping he goes into the mid as a tagger he is a fantastic tackler

 

[huludicidal]

Gee imagine how good those guys were to break into teh Bulldogs, Swans, hawks, Geeloong, didnt they all finish abpve us?

Yes, and they all had a lot of injuries in 2016. Did you even read my post?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

This is why Port downgraded their picks IMO. SA boys are criminally underated as usual over East and The Smears now have 3 picks where they can take guys like Villis, Hayward and Scharenberg. All look like being available 5-10 positions lower than they deserve to go.
If we do take Villis at 13 then that would just make our trade period more of a joke as we could have traded that pick down and got him and another pick in the 20's.

Can't see us or Port take any SA kids early( top 35) other than Hayward

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Do you think he is going to get 25 possesions or more on a consistent level?

I like Cameron but his strenght is his tackling and pressure, but that suits negating roles normally!

He doesn't need to get 25 possessions , if he provides speed and run and carry then 16-20 possessions will be match turning

It's not all about accumulating !!

 

[Bicks]

Can't see us or Port take any SA kids early( top 35) other than Hayward

Venables is reported to be one they have interviewed multiple times, surely all of Villis, Hayward, Scharenberg and Cox would have to be on their radar with picks 17, 30 and 31??

 

[Danger in Texas]

Venables is reported to be one they have interviewed multiple times

Thank god we have a pick before them, then

Reckon all of them are on their radar, Cox in particular.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Venables is reported to be one they have interviewed multiple times, surely all of Villis, Hayward, Scharenberg and Cox would have to be on their radar with picks 17, 30 and 31??

Hayward yes and Cox a maybe

Villis and Shaz later than 30

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Thank god we have a pick before them, then

Reckon all of them are on their radar, Cox in particular.

What are he knocks on Venables character ? I've heard some mixed ratbag type reports

How did he injure his foot ? I like the way he plays and hope he passes the character tests

 

[Danger in Texas]

What are he knocks on Venables character ? I've heard some mixed ratbag type reports

How did he injure his foot ? I like the way he plays and hope he passes the character tests

I haven't heard anything about this? Although someone said something along these lines on the Saints board, would be interesting to hear if someone had reports on what type of ratbag he apparently is

 

[Bicks]

What are he knocks on Venables character ? I've heard some mixed ratbag type reports

How did he injure his foot ? I like the way he plays and hope he passes the character tests

Wouldn't think there was any problems with his character if he was in the Jets Leadership Group..see article from March, seems not too many in the top 25 named then have fallen off the radar later in the year.., Allison being a notable exception

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/201...n/news-story/d6edbe29b3055f1dfcbff852fb0bdf9a