Analysis 2016 Draft...

[marty36]

You are suggesting Scharenberg, Villis, Cox & Graham will get drafted before Hayward? Want to have a bet?

I'll take sharenberg In front of Hayward everyday of the week how many want to get on it?

 

[Mike Smyth]

If we take player ranked 35th or higher in the draft with our 13th pick then the AFC needs a kick up its arse for not trading pick 13 for two picks inside the top 30.

Why? We have form in this area.

 

[marty36]

Marty - it's general consensus that this will not be the case, not just on our board

The only SA kid with chance to be taken 1st round is Hayward so don't make silly bets

So you want a bet sharenberg a player that's played league footy for the last two years ended up the centreman in the u18 team of the year and played his one and only game in the SANFL u18 finall got BOG funnily enough against Hayward

Graham would have to be next after taking out the MVP for the player of the comp in the u18 championship

What bet would you like

 

[Mismatched]

I'll take sharenberg In front of Hayward everyday of the week how many want to get on it?

Not sure I disagree, but from what admittedly little I've seen and heard, Hayward I think will go earlier.

 

[Mike Smyth]

So you want a bet sharenberg a player that's played league footy for the last two years ended up the centreman in the u18 team of the year and played his one and only game in the SANFL u18 finall got BOG funnily enough against Hayward

Graham would have to be next after taking out the MVP for the player of the comp in the u18 championship

What bet would you like

I'll bet we take scharenberg with pick 13.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

So you want a bet sharenberg a player that's played league footy for the last two years ended up the centreman in the u18 team of the year and played his one and only game in the SANFL u18 finall got BOG funnily enough against Hayward

Graham would have to be next after taking out the MVP for the player of the comp in the u18 championship

What bet would you like

Dean gore and James Battersby also played higher levels earlier than their contemporaries

There are clubs interested in Hayward with their first pick - fact

Heard no evidence of the same for Shaz or Graham ( or Villis)

Anyone that's watched all of these guys says similar

 

[Danger in Texas]

Dean gore and James Battersby also played higher levels earlier than their contemporaries

There are clubs interested in Hayward with their first pick - fact

Heard no evidence of the same for Shaz or Graham ( or Villis)

Anyone that's watched all of these guys says similar

FWIW I wouldn't write Gore off completely just yet, just wait for him to develop a bit more strength. Battersby yes, but weren't there some attitude issues there, too?

That said, do agree that Hayward will be picked earlier

 

[marty36]

Dean gore and James Battersby also played higher levels earlier than their contemporaries

There are clubs interested in Hayward with their first pick - fact

Heard no evidence of the same for Shaz or Graham ( or Villis)

Anyone that's watched all of these guys says similar

Hayward managed to play two reserves games only this year, Shaz was playing league footy last year and this, Gore was never picked as a centreman in team of the year to even compare Gore who was picked as a third rounder is ridiculous I would go as far to say that Villis who managed 7 or 8 league games for Norwood will go before Hayward.

These players only get picked for league by their respective clubs on the back of some pretty good ability

Hayward will be late second third it's a pretty deep draft

So what bet would you like on Shaz going Infront of Hayward

 

[Jeffcrowe]

FWIW I wouldn't write Gore off completely just yet, just wait for him to develop a bit more strength. Battersby yes, but weren't there some attitude issues there, too?

That said, do agree that Hayward will be picked earlier

Just comparing those 2 vs guys that weren't playing senior AFL but are now playing good footy in AFL - that is all

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Hayward managed to play two reserves games only this year, Shaz was playing league footy last year and this, Gore was never picked as a centreman in team of the year to even compare Gore who was picked as a third rounder is ridiculous I would go as far to say that Villis who managed 7 or 8 league games for Norwood will go before Hayward.

These players only get picked for league by their respective clubs on the back of some pretty good ability

Hayward will be late second third it's a pretty deep draft

So what bet would you like on Shaz going Infront of Hayward

Pride !!

I want you to announce to everyone here that you didn't watch properly and jumped to conclusions by making it a simple measurement of counting SANFL league games as basis of your opinion

That is all

And if you are right I'll announce that I know nothing and you are the best draft watcher in the business

 

[marty36]

Pride !!

I want you to announce to everyone here that you didn't watch properly and jumped to conclusions by making it a simple measurement of counting SANFL league games as basis of your opinion

That is all

And if you are right I'll announce that I know nothing and you are the best draft watcher in the business

I've seen Shaz and Jarman in the same team at phos in their early days anyone that's watched this age group will clearly say Shaz has been the standout for the past 5 years over the years

By the way there was no comparison between Shaz and Jarman

 

[marty36]

Pride !!

I want you to announce to everyone here that you didn't watch properly and jumped to conclusions by making it a simple measurement of counting SANFL league games as basis of your opinion

That is all

And if you are right I'll announce that I know nothing and you are the best draft watcher in the business

Also went and watched the u18 final did you?

And believe it or not to the SANFL do you?n

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Also went and watched the u18 final did you?

And believe it or not to the SANFL do you?n

Coincidentally started watching that today and will get it done this week but not as good as live Obviously

Seen a few U18 champs games of his live and the draftstars game recently

Poor spread ( 12.5 beep) , poor kicking efficiency but highly effective inside .

We need a more dynamic type

 

[marty36]

Coincidentally started watching that today and will get it done this week but not as good as live Obviously

Seen a few U18 champs games of his live and the draftstars game recently

Poor spread ( 12.5 beep) , poor kicking efficiency but highly effective inside .

We need a more dynamic type

I actually like Villis with that Lyons pick if he is still there, he is super light but if he can put on some muscle he has great evasive skills and some pace

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I actually like Villis with that Lyons pick if he is still there, he is super light but if he can put on some muscle he has great evasive skills and some pace

He's a nice kick on both sides too

Definitely a bit soft !! But pick 43 would be an option

I like Poholke there but he will prob be gone

 

[Bicks]

Posted on the Saints board

wtf

I've seen Lipinski up close when he played against the Rebels here, he played quite well that day, very athletic, good mover, took a couple of really good contested marks, IMO will take time but plenty there to work with......Incidentally Hamish Ogilvie was sitting in the stand just up from me that day busy with his binoculars and note pad. Had a quick chat to him re what we were looking at this draft, I said we'd be looking at mids wouldn't we to which he replied "We are just looking for the best players", I also asked if he knew if Thommo was going on next year, his answer " The clubs not sure yet but I'm pretty sure Thommo wants to".....said that with a wry smile...

 

[DJ75]

So you want a bet sharenberg a player that's played league footy for the last two years ended up the centreman in the u18 team of the year and played his one and only game in the SANFL u18 finall got BOG funnily enough against Hayward

Graham would have to be next after taking out the MVP for the player of the comp in the u18 championship

What bet would you like

I understand your thinking here, but in drafting, clubs are looking at overall potential.

Graham is a man child. His bigger frame has allowed him to dominate as an inside mid at the lower levels. Will this attribute stand out against players bigger than he is? What else does he have then? He is slowish and has suspect kicking skills.

Hayward has played primarily as a forward this year. He has great hands, and a huge vertical leap. I have seen him play forward and as a half back and he has dominated both. I've also seen him run through the midfield this year, where his clean hands have been a feature. His weakness is that he doesn't yet know how hard he can actually work between contests and how to use his athleticism outside of marking. His athleticism is a feature that will stand out as he goes up a level. His projected output is likely to be higher than that of Graham.

Hence, clubs are more likely to grab Hayward early than Graham. It's not about what the player has achieved at U18 level, it's about what might they achieve at the age of 25.

 

[Bicks]

F...k me drunk why don't we just enter a side in the NBL and be done with it

I saw Pat Lipinski's game here against the Rebels and was told by another member of this board via PM who knows I go to all the Rebels local games to keep an eye on him as he'd heard we were showing interest.....so I watched him quite closely...He does football pretty bloody well too..

Here's what I PM'd back after the game..."Moves well, nice size but very raw that Lipinski kid, will take time IMO.... Hamish was there today so he may have been keeping an eye on him, sat just up from Hamish and he certainly took plenty of notes, my boy Berry was easily B.O.G. and played midfield all day, I'll guarantee you he's your tall midfielder in spades, kid I didn't know much about for the Knights mid/forward Matthew Signorello is a very serious talent, great overhead, pacy, hard at it...keep an eye out for him, and indigenous kid Cedric Cox just oozes class, quick, agile, elite kick, will fly up draft boards. Willem Drew played well too, certainly an option."

 

[Scorpus]

Lipinski - elite endurance including 10.03 for 3km time trial

Agility was average

Speed over 20m and repeat speed was well below average inc 3.16 for 20m

Clean hands - above average

Kicking tests ( grain of salt ) - below average field kicking and bottom of goalkicking

They don't measure contested ball and contested marking where he would rate above average

Sounds like a Scott Thompson replacement. Slow, average kick, but good in contested areas and elite endurance

 

[marty36]

I understand your thinking here, but in drafting, clubs are looking at overall potential.

Graham is a man child. His bigger frame has allowed him to dominate as an inside mid at the lower levels. Will this attribute stand out against players bigger than he is? What else does he have then? He is slowish and has suspect kicking skills.

Hayward has played primarily as a forward this year. He has great hands, and a huge vertical leap. I have seen him play forward and as a half back and he has dominated both. I've also seen him run through the midfield this year, where his clean hands have been a feature. His weakness is that he doesn't yet know how hard he can actually work between contests and how to use his athleticism outside of marking. His athleticism is a feature that will stand out as he goes up a level. His projected output is likely to be higher than that of Graham.

Hence, clubs are more likely to grab Hayward early than Graham. It's not about what the player has achieved at U18 level, it's about what might they achieve at the age of 25.

So you up for a bet on Shaz over Hayward?

 

[Bicks]

Sounds like a Scott Thompson replacement. Slow, average kick, but good in contested areas and elite endurance

Actually nothing like Thommo in physique or game style, far more athletic and agile and top class overhead.

 

[marty36]

Actually nothing like Thommo in physique or game style, far more athletic and agile and top class overhead.

Gee if he ends up half as good as Thommo he would be a top 2 pick

 

[Scorpus]

Actually nothing like Thommo in physique or game style, far more athletic and agile and top class overhead.

So a better Scott Thompson then

 

[marty36]

So a better Scott Thompson then

300 game player most brownlow votes received by any Adelaide player, yeah would mind another one of them

 

[GreyCrow]

Lipinski - elite endurance including 10.03 for 3km time trial

Agility was average

Speed over 20m and repeat speed was well below average inc 3.16 for 20m

Clean hands - above average

Kicking tests ( grain of salt ) - below average field kicking and bottom of goalkicking

They don't measure contested ball and contested marking where he would rate above average

NVB?