Analysis 2016 Draft...

[Niximus]

And if you miss out on the player and he turns out to be an absolute superstar you end up kicking yourself. One thing I LOVE about our recruiting team is they back in their judgement and they could not give a flying **** what the publicity behind their pick is going to be. This team has runs on the board and a great track record especially with early picks. If they reach for this kid, I am very comfortable with that decision and look forward to the kid absolutely killing it for our club.

But as is always the case expect massive meltdown on BigFooty spanning across 500 threads and 15000 posts

If there's one area where the club has excelled and deserves backing in, it is drafting.

 

[ams4crows]

Honestly can't wait for all the Melts on draft day when pick 13 comes around and people are all 'WHO??? WTF NEVER HEARD OF THEM, COULD OF GOT HIM FOR 86! FML AND THIS CLUB'

you know it's gonna happen. Then 20 minutes later some random highlights will be found in which he'll be declared a gun and will be a 200 gamer for our club and we can't wait till round 1 to see him in action.

 

[marty36]

If there's one area where the club has excelled and deserves backing in, it is drafting.

Then who takes responsibility for leaving us short in the midfield shouldn't we have drafted in the most important area on the ground with low picks I mean CEY was a third rounder and we are hoping he steps up

 

[GROTTO]

Honestly can't wait for all the Melts on draft day when pick 13 comes around and people are all 'WHO??? WTF NEVER HEARD OF THEM, COULD OF GOT HIM FOR 86! FML AND THIS CLUB'

you know it's gonna happen. Then 20 minutes later some random highlights will be found in which he'll be declared a gun and will be a 200 gamer for our club and we can't wait till round 1 to see him in action.

The best melts will come if we get a KPP instead of the best mid available, esp if its a key forward.

I cannot believe our strategy will be to take the best player available rather than the best mid available.

 

[Tex200]

Honestly can't wait for all the Melts on draft day when pick 13 comes around and people are all 'WHO??? WTF NEVER HEARD OF THEM, COULD OF GOT HIM FOR 86! FML AND THIS CLUB'

you know it's gonna happen. Then 20 minutes later some random highlights will be found in which he'll be declared a gun and will be a 200 gamer for our club and we can't wait till round 1 to see him in action.

I think to be fair, most were in support of the Doedee selection last year purely on the basis of our record.

The only one that really flipped his lid was our resident PHOS member at not drafting Burton, and will likely do the same if we overlook Scharenburg

 

[marty36]

I think to be fair, most were in support of the Doedee selection last year purely on the basis of our record.

The only one that really flipped his lid was our resident PHOS member at not drafting Burton, and will likely do the same if we overlook Scharenburg

No I won't but FFS if we pick a hbf again with a first I will

Shaz will go early but if Hamish goes a backman with his first when midfielders are the key to a good team then I will

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Then who takes responsibility for leaving us short in the midfield shouldn't we have drafted in the most important area on the ground with low picks I mean CEY was a third rounder and we are hoping he steps up

There's no point using early draft p1cks to draft shit players even if their midfielders

Must be best players every time. Thankfully this year the draft is full of midfielders

 

[GROTTO]

There's no point using early draft p1cks to draft sh1t players even if their midfielders

Must be best players every time. Thankfully this year the draft is full of midfielders

Yes I do agree, however the caveat though is that this years draft is full of mids as you say.

It has to be simply the best mid available at pick 13.

After the Gibbs debacle I cant imagine us drafting a KPP with pick 13.

 

[Freshj]

If there's one area where the club has excelled and deserves backing in, it is drafting.

Woah woah hold on....what about the people responsible for website hits???

 

[GROTTO]

Can someone explain something to me in here?

We apparently matched GWS bid last draft for Mathew Kennedy at pick 11, does that mean we were going to take him ahead of Milera at our pick 13?

Interesting that the final phantom draft was almost bang on correct for the first 15 picks at least. Fascinating and intriguing.

 

[Captain Furious]

Can someone explain something to me in here?

We apparently matched GWS bid last draft for Mathew Kennedy at pick 11, does that mean we were going to take him ahead of Milera at our pick 13?

Interesting that the final phantom draft was almost bang on correct for the first 15 picks at least. Fascinating and intriguing.

Richmond bid on Kennedy. We bid on Himmelberg before taking Doedee.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Can someone explain something to me in here?

We apparently matched GWS bid last draft for Mathew Kennedy at pick 11, does that mean we were going to take him ahead of Milera at our pick 13?

Interesting that the final phantom draft was almost bang on correct for the first 15 picks at least. Fascinating and intriguing.

No we didn't bid on Kennedy

We bid on himmelberg with pick 16 I think it was which was matched by GWS so we then took doedee instead

 

[GROTTO]

Thanks Captain Furious and Jeffcrowe my bad.

Can you guys list the top 13 mids in the draft? Because if there is a slider or two, it would be interesting if we could land a top 10 mid in Australia at u18.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Thanks Captain Furious and Jeffcrowe my bad.

Can you guys list the top 13 mids in the draft? Because if there is a slider or two, it would be interesting if we could land a top 10 mid in Australia at u18.

My list is a few pages back of top 25 players ... haven't included any pure key position or rucks before our pick

Think we will go for a contested ball winner with some burst speed and have nominated Venables and Powell-Pepper as those most likely with Berry a chance

If one of Scrimshaw or Taranto were to pop up at pick 13 I'd be surprised and excited and hope we wouldn't hesitate

 

[Stiffy_18]

No I won't but FFS if we pick a hbf again with a first I will

Shaz will go early but if Hamish goes a backman with his first when midfielders are the key to a good team then I will

See marty this is your absolute problem when it comes to prospects. You keep assuming, incorrectly, that if players played a certain position in the juniors, they are getting drafted to play that position in the AFL. That could not be further from the truth and quite often it is very different.

Case in point, Dangerfield played most of his junior footy at HBF. Brodie Smith played his junior footy in the midfield but is now primarily a HBF. Daniel Talia played CHF for his school but we drafted him as a defender. Simon Goodwin was a HBF who we played mostly in the midfield during his prime years. Ricciuto played mostly as a forward but we got him to play in the midfield. McLeod was a FP/HFF and we had him in the midfield in his prime years before finishing his career at HB. The list is absolutely endless. Milera played HF for the Centrals and through the HBF and midfield in the nationals. We recruited him as a midfielder long term. The list goes on and on and not only for our club, but other clubs in the AFL.

So you are most likely going to lose your shit on draft day and go on 2 year long rant across 400 threads. Its not going to make you right. What position kids played in the juniors is mostly irrelevant to what they will play in the AFL once they mature into AFL players. Sure they will start either at HB or HF or FP or BP or even a wing, but that is unlikely to be their position long term.

List management is not about only here and now but also 5 years down the track. We picked up Milera who will be a midfielder eventually and Doedee last year who will play across HB but it is not our of the question that he will move further up the ground in the long run. You bag our recruiters for not selecting midfielders because that is our weakness now.

It is our weakness now because a couple of things happened that rightly or wrongly we were not expecting. 1 is losing draft picks because of the Tippett sanctions, 2) Losing Dangerfield and 3) Brad Crouch losing 18 months of development through injury. If only one of those 3 things didn't happen, then we would be in nowhere near as bad a spot as we are now. If neither of the 3 things happened then we are likely a premiership side or certainly around the mark.

Since Rendall/O'Gilvie took over were have drafted more players that we have targeted for midfield with our first picks than we did any other position. Dangerfield, Davis, Talia, Brad Crouch (mini draft) Smith, Kerridge, Matt Crouch, Lever, Milera. By my count that is 3 KPP and 6 midfielders. I would suspect that is about right in terms of ratio.

 

[marty36]

See marty this is your absolute problem when it comes to prospects. You keep assuming, incorrectly, that if players played a certain position in the juniors, they are getting drafted to play that position in the AFL. That could not be further from the truth and quite often it is very different.

Case in point, Dangerfield played most of his junior footy at HBF. Brodie Smith played his junior footy in the midfield but is not primarily a HBF. Daniel Talia played CHF for his school but we drafted him as a defender. Simon Goodwin was a HBF who we played mostly in the midfield during his prime years. Ricciuto played mostly as a forward but we got him to play in the midfield. McLeod was a FP/HFF and we had him in the midfield in his prime years before finishing his career at HB. The list is absolutely endless. Milera played HF for the Centrals and through the HBF and midfield in the nationals. We recruited him as a midfielder long term.The list goes on and on and not only for our club, but other clubs in the AFL.

So you are most likely going to lose your shit on draft day and go on 2 year long rant across 400 threads. Its not going to make you right. What position kids played in the juniors is mostly irrelevant to what they will play in the AFL once they mature into AFL players. Sure they will start either at HB or HF or FP or even a wing, but that is unlikely to be their position long term.

List management is not about only here and now but also 5 years down the track. We picked up Milera who will be a midfielder eventually and Doedee last year who will play across HB but it is not our of the question that he will move further up the ground in the long run. you bag our recruiters for not selecting midfielders because that is our weakness now.

It is our weakness now because a couple of things happened that rightly or wrongly were were not expecting. 1 is losing draft picks because of the Tippett sanctions, 2) Losing Dangerfield and 3) Brad Crouch losing 18 months of development through injury. If only one of those 3 things didn't happen, then we would be in nowhere near as bad a spot as we are now. If neither of the 3 things happened then we are likely a premiership side or certainly around the mark.

Since Rendall/O'Gilvie took over were have drafted more players that have targeted for midfield with our first picks than we did any other position. Dangerfield, Davis, Talia, Brad Crouch (mini draft) Smith, Kerridge, Matt Crouch, Lever, Milera. By my count that is 3 KPP and 6 midfielders. I would suspect that is about right in terms of ratio.

Since Ogilvie took over

Rendell was in charge prior

The first rounders have been M Crouch Mid, Lever Back, Milera Forward, Doedee Back.

 

[LC40]

The best melts will come if we get a KPP instead of the best mid available, esp if its a key forward.

I cannot believe our strategy will be to take the best player available rather than the best mid available.

I agree, this mantra "Always take the best available player" never really sat comfortably with me.
Sometimes NEEDS are more important and as we have weakened our midfield by getting rid of Lyons we definitely need mid-fielders.
Write it on the white board draft day " Upgrade our midfield!"

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Since Ogilvie took over

Rendell was in charge prior

The first rounders have been M Crouch Mid, Lever Back, Milera Forward, Doedee Back.

Milera was taken with midfield in mind Marty

That's where the clubs saw him and also Brenton Phillips to a large degree . We needed a classy outside midfielder and he's the one

 

[marty36]

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See marty this is your absolute problem when it comes to prospects. You keep assuming, incorrectly, that if players played a certain position in the juniors, they are getting drafted to play that position in the AFL. That could not be further from the truth and quite often it is very different.

Case in point, Dangerfield played most of his junior footy at HBF. Brodie Smith played his junior footy in the midfield but is not primarily a HBF. Daniel Talia played CHF for his school but we drafted him as a defender. Simon Goodwin was a HBF who we played mostly in the midfield during his prime years. Ricciuto played mostly as a forward but we got him to play in the midfield. McLeod was a FP/HFF and we had him in the midfield in his prime years before finishing his career at HB. The list is absolutely endless. Milera played HF for the Centrals and through the HBF and midfield in the nationals. We recruited him as a midfielder long term.The list goes on and on and not only for our club, but other clubs in the AFL.

So you are most likely going to lose your shit on draft day and go on 2 year long rant across 400 threads. Its not going to make you right. What position kids played in the juniors is mostly irrelevant to what they will play in the AFL once they mature into AFL players. Sure they will start either at HB or HF or FP or even a wing, but that is unlikely to be their position long term.

List management is not about only here and now but also 5 years down the track. We picked up Milera who will be a midfielder eventually and Doedee last year who will play across HB but it is not our of the question that he will move further up the ground in the long run. you bag our recruiters for not selecting midfielders because that is our weakness now.

It is our weakness now because a couple of things happened that rightly or wrongly we were not expecting. 1 is losing draft picks because of the Tippett sanctions, 2) Losing Dangerfield and 3) Brad Crouch losing 18 months of development through injury. If only one of those 3 things didn't happen, then we would be in nowhere near as bad a spot as we are now. If neither of the 3 things happened then we are likely a premiership side or certainly around the mark.

Since Rendall/O'Gilvie took over were have drafted more players that have targeted for midfield with our first picks than we did any other position. Dangerfield, Davis, Talia, Brad Crouch (mini draft) Smith, Kerridge, Matt Crouch, Lever, Milera. By my count that is 3 KPP and 6 midfielders. I would suspect that is about right in terms of ratio.

I do like looking at the 4 strongest teams and how they drafted over the past 20 years and looking at why they were so strong every time it points to their mid

West Coast, Judd,Cousins, Kerr
Brisbane Aker, Voss , lappin
Geelong Bartell, Selwood, Ablett
Hawks Mitchell,Hodge, Lewis

As juniors do you think they have and were always Mids or showed they were mids?

 

[marty36]

Milera was taken with midfield in mind Marty

That's where the clubs saw him and also Brenton Phillips to a large degree . We needed a classy outside midfielder and he's the one

Mate he was a Forward, he will get crunched in the centre square maybe a wing but most HFF's interchange there

 

[Squiba]

Milera.won't.be.a.permanent.forward

 

[Stiffy_18]

Since Ogilvie took over

Rendell was in charge prior

The first rounders have been M Crouch Mid, Lever Back, Milera Forward, Doedee Back.

Hamish has always been in charge of our Victorian scouting even in Rendall days and given that over 60% draftees come from Victoria, he would have had a pretty big input on all the Victorian draftees.

Again, you ignored the whole ****ing post to rebuff with the list of players. Did you just conveniently ignore the paragraph that listed a number of players playing different position in juniors and the AFL just to once again make an irrelevant point?

 

[GROTTO]

Milera.won't.be.a.permanent.forward

Was Fyfe recruited as KPP? Cannot remember?

 

[marty36]

Hamish has always been in charge of our Victorian scouting even in Rendall days and given that over 60% draftees come from Victoria, he would have had a pretty big input on all the Victorian draftees.

Again, you ignored the whole ******* post to rebuff with the list of players. Did you just conveniently ignore the paragraph that listed a number of players playing different position in juniors and the AFL just to once again make an irrelevant point?

Rendell was in charge, he made the final call to say otherwise is ridiculous thats like saying Clarke is responsible for the team not Pyke. Hamish would have recomended stacks , Rendell makes the call

As for your other comment, didnt you read my comments about the 4 best teams in the last twenty years and listed their mids and most think those teams were that succesfull on the back of their elite midfield which as you can see are true midfielders!

 

[Bicks]

Since Ogilvie took over

Rendell was in charge prior

The first rounders have been M Crouch Mid, Lever Back, Milera Forward, Doedee Back.

So you're projecting none of those will ever play in any other role for the rest of their career I take it?
And by the way if you do some research you will find Doedee only switched to defence in his final year of School Footy /TAC/U18's....previous to that for his school team St.Joseph's in 2014 he played predominately up Forward and figured high up in the leading goalkickers in that Comp.
http://www.aflvic.com.au/blog/2015/07/29/herald-sun-senior-boys-semi-final-results/

Semi Final 2

St Patrick’s 2.1 3.1 9.2 10.3 63

St Joseph’s 1.1 1.3 3.5 5.10 40

St Patrick’s

Best: Joel Cowan, Joe Dodd, Jacob Hopper, Haskar Dawborn, Ben Lusby, Ben HUrley

Goal Kickers: Leigh Spiteri 3, Joel Cowan, Jacob Hopper 2, Hamish Coulton, Jackson Carrick, Connor Byrne 1

St Joseph’s

Best: Tom Doedee, Jack Buckley, Ben McNamara, Jack Quinn, Harry Walker, Nick Connors, Sam Simpson