Analysis 2016 Draft...

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Larke medallists and their draft position since 2005:
2005: Marc Murphy - #1
2006: Tom Hawkins - FS #41 (though widely considered to have been worth a top 5 pick on the open market at the time)
2007: Cale Morton - #4
2008: Jack Watts - #1
2009: David Swallow - #1 / Andrew Hooper - #35 (Rookie)
2010: Harley Bennell - #2
2011: Stephen Coniglio - #1
2012: Lachie Whitfield - #1
2013: Dom Sheed - #11
2014: Christian Petracca - #2
2015: Josh Schache - #2

Any particular reason why SA Captain Jack Graham doesn't appear to be in the mix for the top 20 in any of the phantoms that have been put together so far?

Torn muscle of the Bone, Quad injury x 2. Would scare a few off, Plus SA history of 10 ten picks is not good in recent times.

 

[marty36]

Poor fella doesn't kick it so well. At all. Speed and endurance not high level. One thing he does is get his hands on the ball at contests and doesn't fumble and he does that better than just about anyone. But it's hard to be a one trick pony these days. We already have M Crouch who plays his game so would fall off my chair if we picked him, although may be gone by 43 and 13 is out of the question.

Must have fluked hitting some targets to get MVP of the champuionship or the judges didnt care he cant kick?

 

[Captain Furious]

Must have fluked hitting some targets to get MVP of the champuionship or the judges didnt care he cant kick?

He won a lot of contested ball, he handballed well, he burst packs, he tackled hard, he got a lot of the footy. He influenced games. Didn't kick it that well. I didn't say he won't be a good player, I was just explaining why he's low on most draft lists. Finding targets by foot is becoming more and more important as the game gets quicker. He's a competitive kid and he'll work on it but I'm of the opinion elite kicks are generally naturals. If you can't kick well after playing the game for 10 years, like most of these kids have, you're probably never going to be great.

 

[Danger in Texas]

If you can't kick well after playing the game for 10 years, like most of these kids have, you're probably never going to be great.

What about Voldemort?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'd say the best footballers are conceived during the bye rounds and immediately after the season ends

Can you explain " conceived" during the bye round ....how does this affect their footballing abilities ?

 

[Niximus]

Can you explain " conceived" during the bye round

Oh, um you see, when, err... ask your mother.

 

[marty36]

He won a lot of contested ball, he handballed well, he burst packs, he tackled hard, he got a lot of the footy. He influenced games. Didn't kick it that well. I didn't say he won't be a good player, I was just explaining why he's low on most draft lists. Finding targets by foot is becoming more and more important as the game gets quicker. He's a competitive kid and he'll work on it but I'm of the opinion elite kicks are generally naturals. If you can't kick well after playing the game for 10 years, like most of these kids have, you're probably never going to be great.

I still think the judges wouldnt have picked him as MVP ifhe burnt the ball, give them more credit than that please. He would have to be in the Top 3 from SA with them being Sharenberg , Graham and probably Cox with Cox having the fact he is a KPP giving him an advantage as for Hayward he wont be up there with those listed he had a good last month

 

[Deaneus!]

Can you explain " conceived" during the bye round ....how does this affect their footballing abilities ?

The best footballers appears to be born in March and July

Nine months before March is July - about when the byes are
Nine months before July is November - right after the season and draft period finishes

 

[Hodgy]

Must have fluked hitting some targets to get MVP of the champuionship or the judges didnt care he cant kick?

Most people on here don't seem to care about it with M Crouch.

 

[marty36]

Most people on here don't seem to care about it with M Crouch.

Pretty sure we need a lot more mids and quality ones to get MVP in the Midfield in the u/18 Championship says a bit

Unless you think a HBF would be better

 

[Redleg Crow]

Can you explain " conceived" during the bye round ....how does this affect their footballing abilities ?

How is babby footballer formed?

 

[Hodgy]

Pretty sure we need a lot more mids and quality ones to get MVP in the Midfield in the u/18 Championship says a bit

Unless you think a HBF would be better

Don't get me wrong, I agree we need to get midfielders. I just don't want another one who can't kick.
I'd also probably say that it does seem amazing that when we do have a midfielder who can kick we trade him out for pick 43.

 

[GROTTO]

The best footballers appears to be born in March and July

Nine months before March is July - about when the byes are
Nine months before July is November - right after the season and draft period finishes

No, I dont think he has had the sex talk with his parents yet. Hence the question about "conception".

 

[Bicks]

Don't get me wrong, I agree we need to get midfielders. I just don't want another one who can't kick.
I'd also probably say that it does seem amazing that when we do have a midfielder who can kick we trade him out for pick 43.

J. Lyons DE 67.6%
M. Crouch DE 72.6%
One plays almost exclusively midfield minutes in a highly contested area, the other spent at least 50/50 time at Half forward/midfield...

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=24&type=A&pid1=3940&pid2=3504&fid1=S&fid2=S

 

[marty36]

Don't get me wrong, I agree we need to get midfielders. I just don't want another one who can't kick.
I'd also probably say that it does seem amazing that when we do have a midfielder who can kick we trade him out for pick 43.

You can kick aswell as you like, but if you cant play like Crouch or Sloane, there is the reason he was traded. Sloane isnt a great kick nor is Danger for that, but then they can seriously play the game.

 

[marty36]

J. Lyons DE 67.6%
M. Crouch DE 72.6%
One plays almost exclusively midfield minutes in a highly contested area, the other spent at least 50/50 time at Half forward/midfield...

Like you said Stats can be misleading, people are critical of Dangers kicking but he takes it when he has 5 guys hanging of him and trying to break clear.

 

[Hodgy]

J. Lyons DE 67.6%
M. Crouch DE 72.6%
One plays almost exclusively midfield minutes in a highly contested area, the other spent at least 50/50 time at Half forward/midfield...

Sorry DE stats are the most ridiculous stat I've ever seen, and my father was a statistician for 50 years so I've come across some pretty bad ones.
If you honestly think that Matt Crouch is a better kick of a footy than Jarred Lyons then good luck to you, we will agree to differ.

 

[Allefgib]

Can you explain " conceived" during the bye round ....how does this affect their footballing abilities ?

I suspect he's implying where the footy season interacts with a kids development stages seems to produce the best results based on being born at the start of it. Perhaps playing kids six month older develops your skill level more than relying on physical attributes.

 

[marty36]

Sorry DE stats are the most ridiculous stat I've ever seen, and my father was a statistician for 50 years so I've come across some pretty bad ones.
If you honestly think that Matt Crouch is a better kick of a footy than Jarred Lyons then good luck to you, we will agree to differ.

I think its fair to say Crouch takes the ball a lot more inside where Lyons takes the ball wider and has more time, not saying if crouch did that he would be a better kick, but not really comparing apples with apples

 

[Iron]

Is not that silly. .

Apologies Mr Powell-Pepper.

 

[Bicks]

Sorry DE stats are the most ridiculous stat I've ever seen, and my father was a statistician for 50 years so I've come across some pretty bad ones.
If you honestly think that Matt Crouch is a better kick of a footy than Jarred Lyons then good luck to you, we will agree to differ.

I don't think either are particularly good kicks for the record, Crouch usually hits his targets when he has time and space, in the position he plays that's not the case very often. Lyons kicking is hugely overrated on this board.

 

[Pugsley]

I voted Powell Pepper because he has a silly name.

Just call him P squared [emoji106]

 

[Pugsley]

I think its fair to say Crouch takes the ball a lot more inside where Lyons takes the ball wider and has more time, not saying if crouch did that he would be a better kick, but not really comparing apples with apples

I think you'd be better off comparing lemons with limes. Just saying.......

 

[GrommoT]

I suspect he's implying where the footy season interacts with a kids development stages seems to produce the best results based on being born at the start of it. Perhaps playing kids six month older develops your skill level more than relying on physical attributes.

Reckon he's trying to say that by the time the bye or end of season comes around, players are suffering from Carlton balls so when they ... umm, ... err ... go ask your mother.

 

[Hodgy]

You can kick aswell as you like, but if you cant play like Crouch or Sloane, there is the reason he was traded. Sloane isnt a great kick nor is Danger for that, but then they can seriously play the game.

Who said that Sloane wasn't a good kick, and why bring him into it. Surely you aren't suggesting that M Crouch is at Sloane's level.
Rory is a great user of the footy both in disposal and in his decision making and if we had 3 of him we wouldn't have a problem.
In modern footy retaining possession and using the ball going forward are imperative as turnovers haven't been punished the other way at any time in the history of our game. That's why Sydney happily traded Tom Mitchell out and why WC took Sam Mitchell even though he is 117. It's also why Hawthorn have been so successful even though they don't win contested ball and why we didn't win flags even when we did have Danger in our side. We can afford one of Crouch or Thommo in the side, but we wanted Gibbs to complement them for a very good reason.