List Mgmt. 2016 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Colonial]

Except Marchbank, a Benalla boy, wouldn't be.

(I know some of his family is in Melbourne, but his parents are still based in Benalla.)

Really? Hmmm thought he was melbourne.

 

[combaning]

It isn't bad if he goes. Extends our academy's zone life.

 

[F_therest]

While im quite excited that Marchbank is rumoured to go home, along with the rumoured trade involving carlton for his services. I dont understand how anyone would want to leave GWS right now when ur about to have a stronghold on the competition for the next decade!

Because for some footy players there is more to life than football...just like for any one of us there is more to life than work.

Family, friends, girlfriend, culture of western sydney vs melbourne, possibly more money & job security at another club are the likely reasons.

 

[F_therest]

It isn't bad if he goes. Extends our academy's zone life.

You have ample up and comers to replace Marcbank like Corr, Finlayson, Himmelberg and Macreadie.

It's not a bad thing as you have adequate replacements and you further spread the age profile of your list and get points for next years academy crop.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Because for some footy players there is more to life than football...just like for any one of us there is more to life than work.

Family, friends, girlfriend, culture of western sydney vs melbourne, possibly more money & job security at another club are the likely reasons.

Champ get this culture of Western Sydney crap out of your mind, they are not living in Blacktown.

The team name is just symbolic.

 

[Andre the Giant]

I watched the under 18's champs game today with the Allies and Vic Metro.

Thoughts re the kids -

Marshall - I think he is worth us throwing an early pick at. Very athletic, quick hands, smart (no wonder Eddie and his henchmen made sure he was pulled out of Academy choices).

Perryman - tough, finds the ball, ave speed, looks a footballer

Mutch - Finds plenty of it, not great at anything but good at everything

Sproule - Good mark, good agility, will be a nice 3rd tall

Macreadie - didn't get much of it but showed a few elite traits particularly intercept marking

Spargo - Very exciting. Knee high to a grasshopper but very quick and really tough, puts his head in the hole. Underager...could be a Caleb Daniel type with a bit of Dev Smith. Love him for 17' if these VFL scumbags don't change the rules.

Setterfield - Didn't do a great deal. In the two games I've seen of him he reminds me of O'Rourke but maybe just off games.

Outside of these I thought Bowes was a class above the rest, Gallucci looks a player, Venables and Vic underager Hayes looks very promising.

Really loved the Allies ruckman Olango, he is super athletic and has a bit of NicNat about him. Northern Territory boy so open to everyone.

 

[Giant Strides]

Interesting observations. Although I wouldn't say I'm anyone to judge underage talent, I've just not been taken by Setterfield. He's what we probably want - a tall inside & outside midfielder - but nothing I've seen screams 'pick me'. (At least at the price that we're likely to have to pay.) Your O'Rourke comparison gives pause for thought. Perryman appeals as all the descriptions and the look of him say 'natural footballer' and scrapper. But he is a bit slow and is he one-dimensional at that next level? Nor sure of Mutch either, for the reasons of your description - is that good enough to oust someone like Steele, Ahern or Matt Kennedy? Will have to leave to our recruiters' judgement - they will have seen enough of all of the kids.

Macreadie hasn't seemed a star in any games I've seen bits of nor has he had fantastic write ups from the Championships, but we have not been able to hold onto KPDs - either our fault or their desire to go home (Hombsch, Bruce, Plowman, Frost, probably Marchbank) - so surely he'll be a lock. Will be very interested to see whether we try for Marshall - depending on where it appears likely he'll go plus how the ladder finishes and then trade period. Sproule might unfortunately be 'the other guy' - who we get only if we can't get Marshall. I think both have some limitations and some risk, but c'est la vie.

Lots of twists to come in trade week & the draft I think!

 

[_GT_]

I really like what I see of Marshall. Only seeing the highlight reels, but looks to be good below his feet, soft hands over head and speed. Also hungry to contest the ball in the air and on the ground. If we can we should get him.

 

[TwoMinuteCrane]

I watched the under 18's champs game today with the Allies and Vic Metro.

Can't say I saw all of it. Saw the first quarter and a half, a bit of the third and about half of the last so you would have seen more than me.....

But I don't recall hearing Marshall's name called. Couldn't tell you how he played because I didn't see him do anything at all.

Liked what I saw with Sproule, was impressed by Perryman. Mutch was handy. Setterfield didn't do much wrong but didn't particularly stand out. Saw more Macredie last week against the swans in the NEAFL but he was ok. He took a great intercept mark but his ensuing kick was a straight turnover that got sent back over his head for a goal at a fairly crucial time of the game. Spargo got a lot of it but wasn't particularly clean with it, a few too many turnovers for mine, but he has another year, we'll see.

No way can we get them all though. The commentators were talking everyone up. Likely all five mentioned will go top three by the sound of it. But that's ok. We don't match a top line pick for one of them it just proves the academy works for more than just us and might shut a few critics up.

Vic metro has a few good kids there too. Lots for the other clubs to go after.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Can't say I saw all of it. Saw the first quarter and a half, a bit of the third and about half of the last so you would have seen more than me.....

But I don't recall hearing Marshall's name called. Couldn't tell you how he played because I didn't see him do anything at all.

Liked what I saw with Sproule, was impressed by Perryman. Mutch was handy. Setterfield didn't do much wrong but didn't particularly stand out. Saw more Macredie last week against the swans in the NEAFL but he was ok. He took a great intercept mark but his ensuing kick was a straight turnover that got sent back over his head for a goal at a fairly crucial time of the game. Spargo got a lot of it but wasn't particularly clean with it, a few too many turnovers for mine, but he has another year, we'll see.

No way can we get them all though. The commentators were talking everyone up. Likely all five mentioned will go top three by the sound of it. But that's ok. We don't match a top line pick for one of them it just proves the academy works for more than just us and might shut a few critics up.

Vic metro has a few good kids there too. Lots for the other clubs to go after.

Marshall as a forward didn't see much of it but for my eye he was the one that showed elite AFL traits.

He did a couple of things that were simply brilliant. I would pass up getting a bunch of guys to ensure we got him.

 

[dlanod]

Marshall as a forward didn't see much of it but for my eye he was the one that showed elite AFL traits.

He did a couple of things that were simply brilliant. I would pass up getting a bunch of guys to ensure we got him.

He reminds me a bit of Sam Day - convert from another sport, looks good as a tall position player, good movement, potentially overdrafted because of it.

 

[Andre the Giant]

He reminds me a bit of Sam Day - convert from another sport, looks good as a tall position player, good movement, potentially overdrafted because of it.

Could be as he is raw but I feel our tall stocks are going to take a hit this off season with Stewart, McCarthy, Tomlinson likely to go and still a question on General long term.

I think we need to prioritise that over more slowish inside mids that we seem to have in abundance already.

 

[Big Stinky Monk]

There will definitely be some academy spoils for other clubs come draft time. We should see at least 6 taken, and i cant see us taking any more than 4 for the senior list. I reckon Macreadie is the only lock for us at this stage. The rest could all depend and what positions we need to back up after trade period.

Id also like us to look at a rookie list spot for Connor Owen-Auburn. Has been solid for our NEAFL side this year, but hailing from St.Clair, would be true Western Sydney rep and give other kids in the area something to aspire to.

 

[Andre the Giant]

There will definitely be some academy spoils for other clubs come draft time. We should see at least 6 taken, and i cant see us taking any more than 4 for the senior list. I reckon Macreadie is the only lock for us at this stage. The rest could all depend and what positions we need to back up after trade period.

Id also like us to look at a rookie list spot for Connor Owen-Auburn. Has been solid for our NEAFL side this year, but hailing from St.Clair, would be true Western Sydney rep and give other kids in the area something to aspire to.

I agree with this. Macreadie is needed to cover Marchbank's departure. I also think Perryman will be a good pick up, he is very versatile and can cover a variety of roles. Perryman could move straight in with Bam Bam which would help both settle in.

As for the others I only like Marshall.

Mutch is handy if you got him for very little which I can't really see happening.

Setterfield has massive massive raps but so far I haven't seen it nor do I see a player he can oust. He is that really tall mid that we don't really have however.

Lynch would bring some more local ruck depth particularly if Downie is moved on.

I think we should be manoeuvring to get as many points and picks as possible in 17' which we should be able to do with a number of likely exits from the club.

 

[Giant Strides]

If I could have my way with the outcome of re-signings, trade and draft then I would like to see:

• Re-sign Marchbank, Steele, Johnson, Finlayson, Barrett, Stewart, Downie & Simpson
• If Marchbank re-signs, then I'm afraid Tim Mohr is let go - although I'd rookie him as KPD backup because we have such bad luck with KPDs
• Draft Macreadie
• Patfull retires
• Trade McCarthy
• Presuming that Tomlinson is keen to leave to get more regular first grade time, then mutually agree to trade him
• Draft a forward - not sure exactly who, but possibly Todd Marshall if picks can be worked out, if not then Zach Sproule from the academy
• Trade a fifth player - I'd let McKenna go, simply from a perspective that I can't see where he's get a go in a GWS line-up in future. When Stevie J goes, and in another year or 2 Rhys Palmer also, then our medium/small forward option would still be Dev Smith, Toby Greene, Jarrod Pickett, and (presuming no changes to academy drafting rules) Charlie Spargo, with guys like Matt Kennedy and Jack Steele being medium-sized midfielders who could rotate forward also.
• Only draft one more player - one of the 3 academy mids. Personally, I'm unconvinced by Setterfield; Mutch is possibly jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none, so Perryman perhaps is in front, but would leave to GWS recruiting staff to choose the best option.
• Re-rookie Dan Lloyd and Sam Reid, plus take another rookie - I like the idea of giving Western Sydney's Connor-Owen Auburn a chance to see how good he can become

That's 5 off and 3 on the main list, reducing the list size to 40 main list (keeping us at the minimum level of the allowed size range) plus 4 rookies. A few retirements still to come in the next two years, a couple of options of players who might move on. Biggest threat to my plan would be TPP and, of course, if players want to move on for better opportunity.

Johnson has been fantastic this year, another year at a full-blown flag tilt next year is a gimme. Will retire in 2017 or 2018, so keeping him doesn't hurt us with the expanded list size. I'd keep Barrett as an inexpensive and reliable backup - need to keep TPP in mind. Threat is him wanting to move of course, in which case I wouldn't stand in his way, and therefore GWS could hold McKenna or otherwise an additional midfielder could be drafted. I'd keep Stewart as inexpensive KPF cover. Can't afford to lose McCarthy, Tommo and Stewart in one year. Bit of a dilemma if Tommo actually wants to stay and Stewart go, as Tommo's KPF ability is limited. The biggest risk is that Stewart also wants to leave for opportunity. In which case I'd keep Mohr on the main list - should be relatively inexpensive - and potentially use Finlayson forward if necessary; or try for Marshall & Sproule. But I'd like to not use all of the 2016 draft picks and roll some in 2017 if possible.

 

[coniglio_number1]

I'm starting to think that given that we will probably lose portions of the Riverina soon that we should be taking this opportunity to swap out Victorian depth for local depth.

Out:
Marchbank
Tomlinson
McCarthy
McKenna
Downie


In
Macreadie
Sproule
Marshall
Setterfield
Perryman

Mohr to rookie list.

 

[Giant Pete]

From our academy I can see us taking Sproule and Macreadie for sure. Setterfield not far behind them.

 

[Giant Pete]

I know he's not in our academy, but Marshall is a super talent. I think he'll go top 5.

 

[Giant Pete]

I'm starting to think that given that we will probably lose portions of the Riverina soon that we should be taking this opportunity to swap out Victorian depth for local depth.

Out:
Marchbank
Tomlinson
McCarthy
McKenna
Downie


In
Macreadie
Sproule
Marshall
Setterfield
Perryman

Mohr to rookie list.

I like McKenna. Would like to see us keep him and Marchbank.

 

[Giant Strides]

I like McKenna. Would like to see us keep him and Marchbank.

Fair enough view. Where do you see him playing - whose spot does he take, do you reckon?

 

[Giant Pete]

Fair enough view. Where do you see him playing - whose spot does he take, do you reckon?

That's the problem with most of our recruits for the next ten years. Because he's such a good kick he could play off half back. Obviously we are very well resourced there at the moment. To be honest I'm not sure, I just think good ball users are so valuable. Another preseason or two who knows where he could play.
Any mids we draft for the next five years will be surplus.

Where do you see Setterfield playing in the next three years? Whose spot would he take?

 

[Giant Strides]

That's the problem with most of our recruits for the next ten years. Because he's such a good kick he could play off half back. Obviously we are very well resourced there at the moment. To be honest I'm not sure, I just think good ball users are so valuable. Another preseason or two who knows where he could play. Any mids we draft for the next five years will be surplus. Where do you see Setterfield playing in the next three years? Whose spot would he take?

I agree with your sentiment - that's why I've posted about taking minimal numbers for the next few years, because taking more means all we do is force out kids who have been developing for a few years. And I haven't been keen on Setterfield for exactly that reason, I don't think he's better than who we've got at the moment.

In respect of medium-sized defenders, I expect Patfull to retire either this year or at most next year. Shaw has been fantastic, but has a limited time left. Our other players are Buntine, Wilson, Williams, Adam Kennedy - so there's certainly room for a ball-using half back. I don't have strong feelings for or against McKenna, although I haven't really seen him do enough to convince me he can take a first grade spot (but admit that's from a limited viewing of his NEAFL etc form). I suspect that there will be other players putting their hand up to leave, so provided GWS are happy with his progress he wouldn't have to be forced out.

 

[grouse mate]

Think we need to get some confirmation from the AFL that the academy rules wont be changed before the 2017 batch. From the bottom agers that already played Allies this year its equal to this years batch if not better. Looking long term the definites would be Richards as a ruck/fwd with a basketball background, Powell inside mid with excellent kicking skills, Spargo accumulator, Brander KPF who's school says he's as good as McCartin at the same age. Probably time to sit down with all of these kids and try and work out which ones genuinely want to play in Sydney, for this reason I find Setterfield a bit of a risk. The fact that a kid like McCreadie has already moved to Sydney should be the idea that gets thrown out to some others, I think Powell played NEAFL last week and seems pretty keen to stay close to Canberra which suits us. I'd take any kid that shows a commitment to the club before they are even on the list.

 

[Giant Strides]

With Tom Mitchell stalling contract talks with Sydney ... I'd be amenable if Carlton went after him with picks and salary rather than Marchbank and co. I know there are other clubs sniffing around, but any reduction in the options would be favourable for us.

 

[Danny88]

With Tom Mitchell stalling contract talks with Sydney ... I'd be amenable if Carlton went after him with picks and salary rather than Marchbank and co. I know there are other clubs sniffing around, but any reduction in the options would be favourable for us.

If he goes it will be cos he wants to be in a Melbourne club not cos he has some deep desire to play in a blue Jumper