List Mgmt. 2016 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[dlanod]

Don't our first year recruits live there still?

I don't know, but there's a bit of difference between half a dozen versus 40 or so.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Hopper. To be honest, Griffen too.

Hopper is the future. Gibbs would be short term - and when Griffen goes you have Steele waiting in the wings. I'd rather 12 years of Hopper and Steele than 4 years of Gibbs.

 

[dlanod]

Hopper is the future. Gibbs would be short term - and when Griffen goes you have Steele waiting in the wings. I'd rather 12 years of Hopper and Steele than 4 years of Gibbs.

You asked "Who do you drop to fit him in? Who goes out of this side to give him a game?" Not "who would you delist?"

I'd take Gibbs over both of Hopper and Griffen in the team right now.

 

[Determinant]

You asked "Who do you drop to fit him in? Who goes out of this side to give him a game?" Not "who would you delist?"

I'd take Gibbs over both of Hopper and Griffen in the team right now.

I'd play him over Hopper, but not Griffen, but most importantly I'd rather have Hopper, Kennedy, etc on our list long term than Gibbs

 

[Raymann]

I think Deledio would be a good get ahead of Gibbs

 

[Raymann]

Hopper is the future. Gibbs would be short term - and when Griffen goes you have Steele waiting in the wings. I'd rather 12 years of Hopper and Steele than 4 years of Gibbs.

I agree Hopper is the future, but right now he is not at AFL level

 

[captainMyCaptain]

I think Deledio would be a good get ahead of Gibbs

And how likely is that?

 

[Raymann]

Not likely but not impossible

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Not likely but not impossible

Perhaps due to the Craig Cameron and Wayne Campbell affect

 

[Giant Pete]

Perhaps due to the Craig Cameron and Wayne Campbell affect

Who is Craig Cameron?

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Who is Craig Cameron?

Was Allen and Silvagni - then it was Allen - now it's now Campbell and Cameron - ex Richmond list builder and other administrator. Not sure his exact title, but it's in that list management/football department area of the club.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Who is Craig Cameron?

Our new list manager and like Campbell a former Tigers person

 

[Giant Pete]

Our new list manager and like Campbell a former Tigers person

Was he the Tigers list manager? (Please say no)

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Was he the Tigers list manager? (Please say no)

Was the GM at the tigers from 2007-2013, prior to that melb list manager

 

[Bokonon]

Well it is is doable than Gibbs fits the profile of a bloke to bring in. He is 27 and in the best form of his career. Carlton is a waste of time for him because they will be in their next window well after he has retired. He would be a nice player to have swinging back and forth and taking pressure off our blokes getting tagged. Eventually he would make a nice general down back to take over from Heater remember Heater is on massive coin and we will struggle to retain him if he wants the same dough on his next deal (will be pretty old then anyway.

Respectfuĺly I'd like the role of general down back was open for Davis, Bunts and Wilson to aspire to. Or maybe Wilson is better value as the whirlwind down back, until he wants to ease into retirement.

 

[kulak]

Shaw, Mumford, Griffen, Johnson are key planks of our premiership push. If we can pick up someone as good or better, let's do it. Win now.

Deledio would be great, as long as he's not looking for a retirement job.

Gibbs I'm not sure. He has been very good at times.

Hope we are open to these opportunities. There is the romance of building through academies. But at the same time we already have so many kids with talent. If we can turn some of that talent into someone elite who moves the needle on a premiership we should seriously consider.

 

[grouse mate]

If we have $6-700k a year available to target a Gibbs/Deledio i would rather use it on long term deals for Shiel/Lobb and any others worth locking away. The teams average age and games doesnt place us in the inexperienced bracket anymore, its time to start rewarding loyalty to guys who have knocked back better offers.

 

[IanW]

If we have $6-700k a year available to target a Gibbs/Deledio i would rather use it on long term deals for Shiel/Lobb and any others worth locking away. The teams average age and games doesnt place us in the inexperienced bracket anymore, its time to start rewarding loyalty to guys who have knocked back better offers.

I dont have enough likes for this post.

 

[Determinant]

If we have $6-700k a year available to target a Gibbs/Deledio i would rather use it on long term deals for Shiel/Lobb and any others worth locking away. The teams average age and games doesnt place us in the inexperienced bracket anymore, its time to start rewarding loyalty to guys who have knocked back better offers.

100% on board with this

 

[Bokonon]

If we have $6-700k a year available to target a Gibbs/Deledio i would rather use it on long term deals for Shiel/Lobb and any others worth locking away. The teams average age and games doesnt place us in the inexperienced bracket anymore, its time to start rewarding loyalty to guys who have knocked back better offers.

Yeeaah.
I have a feeling Shiel might be underpaid. The club said he was offerred a similar deal to Coniglio and Treloar. It seems unlikely to me this deal would approach what Scully, Shaw, Griffen and Greene are on.
Don't begrudge anyone mentioned their money, Treloar doesn't matter anymore.
I do think Shiel is a special case particularly from a marketing perspecrive. If your ok with us paying Folau huge dollars when it was obvious he would never be value from a football perspective ( love watching him at Fullback for the Wallabies and dont begrudge him either)
then surely there is a case to made for Shiel to get similar cash.
I watch the kids.cheering him and rhink over time he will be more value in growing the club than Folau ever was.

 

[IanW]

I get your proposition and reaaonin

Yeeaah.
I have a feeling Shiel might be underpaid. The club said he was offerred a similar deal to Coniglio and Treloar. It seems unlikely to me this deal would approach what Scully, Shaw, Griffen and Greene are on.
Don't begrudge anyone mentioned their money, Treloar doesn't matter anymore.
I do think Shiel is a special case particularly from a marketing perspecrive. If your ok with us paying Folau huge dollars when it was obvious he would never be value from a football perspective ( love watching him at Fullback for the Wallabies and dont begrudge him either)
then surely there is a case to made for Shiel to get similar cash.
I watch the kids.cheering him and rhink over time he will be more value in growing the club than Folau ever was.

Dont fall in love with a particular player.

Yeah, Dylan Shiel is a marvel. But with Toby Greene, we have a poor man's Leigh Matthews, and with Jeremy Cameron we have a younger Buddy who can take contested marks, and Scully does nothing but run and present and run back and tackle and run and present and run back and tackle. Then there's Haynes, and Williams, and JP. And old Cement Head. Hell, even Palmer's turned into a better than useful footballer.

I think there's a pact, and I think it's been there since 2012. And I think the members of that pact have all agreed to be paid about the same, so they can look back in fifty years and go 'I was a member of the first Giants premiership. I was also there at Blacktown, and in the back room of Rooty Hill RSL, and I was there at the G when the champagne came out.'

Shiel got paid. He'll get paid again.

If he wants the money, the way Treloar did, he'll let us know.

Until then, dont **** with the bond the Class of 2012 have established.

 

[Bokonon]

Dont fall in love with a particular player.

Yeah, Dylan Shiel is a marvel. But with Toby Greene, we have a poor man's Leigh Matthews, and with Jeremy Cameron we have a younger Buddy who can take contested marks, and Scully does nothing but run and present and run back and tackle and run and present and run back and tackle. Then there's Haynes, and Williams, and JP. And old Cement Head. Hell, even Palmer's turned into a better than useful footballer.

I think there's a pact, and I think it's been there since 2012. And I think the members of that pact have all agreed to be paid about the same, so they can look back in fifty years and go 'I was a member of the first Giants premiership. I was also there at Blacktown, and in the back room of Rooty Hill RSL, and I was there at the G when the champagne came out.'

Shiel got paid. He'll get paid again.

If he wants the money, the way Treloar did, he'll let us know.

Until then, dont **** with the bond the Class of 2012 have established.

Fair enough opinion and concede it it at the very least deep admiration, but I will stay with my view. I tried very hard not knock or reduce other players by comparison, but you cant say what I said without some.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Played well recently, thoroughly deserved, might get a call up in the next couple of weeks with Stevie J out and Devon Smith not back yet.

He's also already got a young son, so 100 games please

 

[coniglio_number1]

Tom Scully commits long term!!!!!!

http://m.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2016-06-17/scully-extends-his-time-with-the-giants

 

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Ripping news. Great example of a player who has made the full transition on and off the field.