List Mgmt. 2016 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[coniglio_number1]

Can't devote straight to the rookie list which is a hassle but I see no risk with delisting mohr as who will honestly jump at him?

We have 2 second round selections for next year so if we need to go into deficit in the second round to obtain these kids before the inevitable change with brander and the academy as whole then so be it.

But I most definitely want all of setterfield, perryman, macreadie, sproule and Mutch.

 

[Giant Strides]

We have 2 second round selections for next year so if we need to go into deficit in the second round to obtain these kids before the inevitable change with brander and the academy as whole then so be it. But I most definitely want all of setterfield, perryman, macreadie, sproule and Mutch.

I honestly don't see how we can get them all, without going into debt next year, and I don't think we should as Brander, Spargo, Powell & Richards are probably a touch better than this year's crop and we'll struggle to get even 2 or 3 of them without selling a current star. Would need later bids on Setterfield and Perryman than expected to do so without going into deficit. Trading up into pick 2 cost a significant amount (as it should!). Personally, I was not enamoured of the trading this year - we sold our guys really low in most cases (WHE probably the only overs on exposed form) and bought Deledio at overs (for only 3 years duration) IMHO. It will make ND night more intriguing than last year, seeing exactly what we do.

 

[Giant Pete]

I liked this years trading... don't forget a lot of it was forced due to the rule change affecting salary cap. We got Deledio, pick 2 and the academy kids we really want. Let's be honest, most of these kids won't play more than a few games in our firsts.

 

[Raymann]

I don't think we will get Perryman. Won't have the points

 

[Gigantor]

I honestly don't see how we can get them all, without going into debt next year, and I don't think we should as Brander, Spargo, Powell & Richards are probably a touch better than this year's crop and we'll struggle to get even 2 or 3 of them without selling a current star. Would need later bids on Setterfield and Perryman than expected to do so without going into deficit. Trading up into pick 2 cost a significant amount (as it should!). Personally, I was not enamoured of the trading this year - we sold our guys really low in most cases (WHE probably the only overs on exposed form) and bought Deledio at overs (for only 3 years duration) IMHO. It will make ND night more intriguing than last year, seeing exactly what we do.

It all depends on how it pans out, but yeh, I can't help thinking we were a bit reckless with our trading this year.

 

[peters17]

I don't think we will get Perryman. Won't have the points

How so?

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

I don't think we will get Perryman. Won't have the points

Rather we pass on Setterfield to get Perryman.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Snippet from an article on WHE joining Collingwood.

“I’m still really close mates with (former Giant) Adam Treloar and we stayed in regular contact. He was in my ear throughout the season saying ‘why don’t you head to the Pies? and all that stuff.”

 

[Bokonon]

Snippet from an article on WHE joining Collingwood.

“I’m still really close mates with (former Giant) Adam Treloar and we stayed in regular contact. He was in my ear throughout the season saying ‘why don’t you head to the Pies? and all that stuff.”

Now he's with them I guess he has to say things they'll like? Seems like more words than he usually says though. Was quite impressed with McCarthy's interview in Freo colours, was very professional on a more sensitive topic.Maybe he should take a leaf from that book

 

[dlanod]

I don't think we will get Perryman. Won't have the points

Looking like he'll get bid on too early?

 

[captainMyCaptain]

I don't think we will get Perryman. Won't have the points

That would seem to be the case with us only able to have the same amount of draft picks as places free on the list (currently 7).
But we might if we made room to use all of our 11 picks that have pts attached to them by delisting the 4 uncontracted guys were got and possibly redrafting them in the preseason draft if we see them in our future plans to get out list to 40. Or are you suggesting we simply don't rate him as highly as other clubs?

 

[Giant Strides]

Hmm, I've run through a scenario with the picks & points, and with Setterfield bid at 6 and Perryman at 10, GWS definitely have enough points to take Perryman and some left over for later. Even Setterfield bid at pick 5 and then Perryman straight away at pick 6, we would have sufficient - at cost of being able to get others later in the draft. I really couldn't see anything higher than that, unless Essendon bid Setterfield at 1 (or Bowes 1, Setterfield 2) in which case I'm presuming we wouldn't match.

 

[Orange Agent]

It will come down to bids I guess, with the lack of KP players this year we could see earlier than anticipated bids on Macreadie and Sproule. I'm not buying for 1 minute the draft boards group think that macreadie has slipped out to 25-30. If that does happen then we need to get smarter with the academy kids and get the ones we really want out of the TAC system and playing in ours 2's instead because it seems absurd that someone rated so highly last year is worse for playing his last underage year in an open age comp.

 

[fridgeman]

Hmm, I've run through a scenario with the picks & points, and with Setterfield bid at 6 and Perryman at 10, GWS definitely have enough points to take Perryman and some left over for later. Even Setterfield bid at pick 5 and then Perryman straight away at pick 6, we would have sufficient - at cost of being able to get others later in the draft. I really couldn't see anything higher than that, unless Essendon bid Setterfield at 1 (or Bowes 1, Setterfield 2) in which case I'm presuming we wouldn't match.

The club can always go into deficit for the following year, and if the deficit is tagged with the second round pick I would not be concerned with that pick being downgraded

 

[Giant Strides]

The club can always go into deficit for the following year, and if the deficit is tagged with the second round pick I would not be concerned with that pick being downgraded

Yes, that was discussed earlier. If your comment is related to not matching a Setterfield bid at 1 or 2, then the reason is not points but the fact that we traded up to get the second best player in the draft and IMHO it's not Setterfield. We'll have wasted trading to pick 2 if we then just use it to match. If it's more broadly related to my previous post and total points, then personally I wouldn't go into deficit because next year we have 4 players probably better than this year's and the same problem with lack of list spots/picks, which gets exacerbated if you then downgrade due to carryover points. That's why I find the trading tactics this year to be mystifying - last year's trading set up this year, this year's trading seems to have undermined or at least not assisted next year's requirements.

 

[Andre the Giant]

You have to wonder if the Swans worked out we wouldn't have the points or were not showing enough interest in Perryman and traded up to secure him. He fits their needs like a glove.

They clearly had a strategy to get to Pick 10 and a specific player in mind. If that is the case I hope Gold Coast bid on him at 9 because f*** Sydney.

I reckon he will be a gun, even though he is slow. He just has game sense and reads the play which is often more important than speed.

 

[coniglio_number1]

You have to wonder if the Swans worked out we wouldn't have the points or were not showing enough interest in Perryman and traded up to secure him. He fits their needs like a glove.

They clearly had a strategy to get to Pick 10 and a specific player in mind. If that is the case I hope Gold Coast bid on him at 9 because f*** Sydney.

I reckon he will be a gun, even though he is slow. He just has game sense and reads the play which is often more important than speed.

Sam Mitchell and priddis are slow but you wouldn't say no to them!

 

[fridgeman]

Yes, that was discussed earlier. If your comment is related to not matching a Setterfield bid at 1 or 2, then the reason is not points but the fact that we traded up to get the second best player in the draft and IMHO it's not Setterfield. We'll have wasted trading to pick 2 if we then just use it to match. If it's more broadly related to my previous post and total points, then personally I wouldn't go into deficit because next year we have 4 players probably better than this year's and the same problem with lack of list spots/picks, which gets exacerbated if you then downgrade due to carryover points. That's why I find the trading tactics this year to be mystifying - that year's trading set up this year, this year's trading seems to have undermined or at least not assisted next year's requirements.

Too much speculation and I have faith in the club to make the right decisions and it is not like we can actually have any impact on a decision, just supporters thinking they have a sense of what the club has planned.
My pure speculation
Mcgrath/Mcluggage at 2
Match on 2 (maybe all 3?)of Setterfield/Perryman/Mutch in the first round
Match on Macreadie/Sproule
Late pick on a lower rated academy player or rookie

 

[Andre the Giant]

If by chance we miss out on Perryman and don't or can't match I would love if we made Tony Olango a priority selection.

Tony is a raw ruckman who is going to take 3-4 years but by gee he has specs to die for and could be an absolute freak with good coaching.

They are speculating will be a pick 35-50 so he will be dirt cheap but is a future game changer.

I'd hope we'd at least consider him and make a speculative pick up like we did with big Rory.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Sam Mitchell and priddis are slow but you wouldn't say no to them!

A guy like Nick Smith from Sydney is not overly quick but he just reads the play and is v effective. If by chance the Swans like him all the more reason to select him as K Beatson is a gun recruiter.

 

[Garlic muncher]

If by chance we miss out on Perryman and don't or can't match I would love if we made Tony Olango a priority selection.

Tony is a raw ruckman who is going to take 3-4 years but by gee he has specs to die for and could be an absolute freak with good coaching.

They are speculating will be a pick 35-50 so he will be dirt cheap but is a future game changer.

I'd hope we'd at least consider him and make a speculative pick up like we did with big Rory.

Bit surprised he was playing soccer, would have thought basketball would have been the go, his physical attributes are just not really suited to soccer.

I think we will see more and more of these type of immigrants playing footy and basketball.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-09/highleaping-ruck-prospect-tony-olango-gives-soccer-the-boot

 

[Andre the Giant]

Bit surprised he was playing soccer, would have thought basketball would have been the go, his physical attributes are just not really suited to soccer.

I think we will see more and more of these type of immigrants playing footy and basketball.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-09/highleaping-ruck-prospect-tony-olango-gives-soccer-the-boot

No doubt, i think as we move forward it will be more the norm than a gimmick. This kid has some real skill and explosive attributes, we can afford to make a speculative selection on him and the potential upside is huge.

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't match a bid on one of either Setterfield or Perryman. Looking at our 2014 draft wipe-out, there's no point stacking up with top end talent if they immediately look elsewhere after 2 years because they can't get a game.

With pick 2 and one of Setterman or Perryfield it will be easier to manage. I'd rather we pick up players like Macreadie (stocking the defensive depth) than another champion midfielder.

Even taking out Ahern and Steele, 2016 draftees are behind Hopper and Kennedy for one senior spot... and that's not including players like Smith and Greene who will be rotating in the mids to accommodate Deledio.

Which of the two do we need most? We don't need both Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.

 

[Giant Strides]

Too much speculation.
My pure speculation
Mcgrath/Mcluggage at 2
Match on 2 (maybe all 3?)of Setterfield/Perryman/Mutch in the first round
Match on Macreadie/Sproule
Late pick on a lower rated academy player or rookie

If we removed speculative posts off BF the forum would collapse! Yes, the point is supporters like me trying to get a sense of what the club is likely to do, and infusing our own thoughts. However, within the speculation is assessment (i.e. why would we trade up and kill off first & second round picks only to match Setterfield if bid 1 or 2?) and simple number crunching (i.e. GWS doesn't actually have the points in the 2016 ND to achieve your speculated outcome, which exactly matches what I would have wanted before the trade period).
My personal view is that if GWS is to survive and flourish into the future, it needs to take a reasonable amount of NSW/ACT talent so locals will get behind the 'state side' even if they're not wedded to supporting AFL per se, so I'm definitely looking at it from a perspective of how to get maximum local kids.

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't match a bid on one of either Setterfield or Perryman. Looking at our 2014 draft wipe-out, there's no point stacking up with top end talent if they immediately look elsewhere after 2 years because they can't get a game. With pick 2 and one of Setterman or Perryfield it will be easier to manage. I'd rather we pick up players like Macreadie (stocking the defensive depth) than another champion midfielder. Even taking out Ahern and Steele, 2016 draftees are behind Hopper and Kennedy for one senior spot... and that's not including players like Smith and Greene who will be rotating in the mids to accommodate Deledio. Which of the two do we need most?

That matches my suspicion with how GWS has gone about its trade period. Less multiple round 1 talents, because they can't all get a game, but rather focus on getting one or two absolute top-ranked draftee(s). Not matching Setterfield or Perryman allows Macreadie, Sproule, Mutch and a couple of lower picks such as Garthwaite and Cumming, who might be happier to sit in NEAFL for a few years. The speculation will then be who is best for GWS: Setterfield or Perryman? Or indeed, does it come down to who Essendon select at 1 and leave for GWS at 2? Setterfield seems to be in everyone's thoughts because of the comparison to Bont; but chasing clones often ends in tears. If we get McGrath as a defender, do we then prefer Setterfield to increase midfield depth, but if we end up with McCluggage do we then take Perryman as a second-choice prospect to replace Heath Shaw? (My personal view is that Perryman's game more closely resembles Shaw rather than McGrath's, but there's that chasing clones problem again!)

Speculative - sure! As I said previously, it will make draft night a little less straightforward this year. I think a couple of surprises will be seen.

 

[Bogan Juniors]

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't match a bid on one of either Setterfield or Perryman. Looking at our 2014 draft wipe-out, there's no point stacking up with top end talent if they immediately look elsewhere after 2 years because they can't get a game.

With pick 2 and one of Setterman or Perryfield it will be easier to manage. I'd rather we pick up players like Macreadie (stocking the defensive depth) than another champion midfielder.

Even taking out Ahern and Steele, 2016 draftees are behind Hopper and Kennedy for one senior spot... and that's not including players like Smith and Greene who will be rotating in the mids to accommodate Deledio.

Which of the two do we need most? We don't need both Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.

Love this post because I agree 100%.
We get 1 of McGrath/McCluggage and 1 Of Setterfield/Perryman and get McCreadie,Spruole and Mutch and a couple of speculative guys to play NEAFL and hope one is a diamond in the rough. This give us the best chance of keepig our guns and having good depth/cover without losing players every year for "opportunity".
I said in an earlier post we are getting used to being spoilt for riches....yes we should get first dibs on the academy kids but we should not and cannot get all of them without paying some price.
Getting Delidio in while in a premiership window is a brilliant move IMO. We are not building for the future anymore. The future is here and its Orange.