2016 Non-Crows AFL Discussion - Cont. in Part 2 (link in OP)

[adelaidecrows]

Wow they are getting really soft over at Alberton, first the players were deeply upset by Kochie being mean to them and now their supporters are upset because Vince had a dig at Toumpas. "Leave Jimmy alone", their underbelly is growing softer and softer by the minute,

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/mel...a/news-story/6d0705a79200a231458661921c5d753e

He didn't name Toumpas, it wouldn't have been hard for the media to look at the footage and make their own conclusions even if he didn't even say the guy had left the club. The PAP supporters have this one wrong.

 

[Red mist]

Wow they are getting really soft over at Alberton, first the players were deeply upset by Kochie being mean to them and now their supporters are upset because Vince had a dig at Toumpas. "Leave Jimmy alone", their underbelly is growing softer and softer by the minute,

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/mel...a/news-story/6d0705a79200a231458661921c5d753e

Yeah Toumpas was probably at fault for not being tight enough but there were a lot of more experienced Melbourne players back there at the time as well. Seems like a bit of a pass the buck and "that's not us anymore" going on there. Unfortunately for Toumpas he is regarded as a top draft pick potato. Probably poorly developed like Watts who I think is a good player who has incurred some undeserved wrath on top of the usual.

 

[Scorpus]

Yeah Toumpas was probably at fault for not being tight enough but there were a lot of more experienced Melbourne players back there at the time as well. Seems like a bit of a pass the buck and "that's not us anymore" going on there. Unfortunately for Toumpas he is regarded as a top draft pick potato. Probably poor.y developed like Watts who I think is a good player who has incurred some undeserved wrath on top of the usual.

Watts is a much, much, much better player than Toumpas

 

[Red mist]

Watts is a much, much, much better player than Toumpas

Just going by the low first round pick scenario in my comparison. I'm aware of what you are saying.

 

[PrideOf]

Wow they are getting really soft over at Alberton, first the players were deeply upset by Kochie being mean to them and now their supporters are upset because Vince had a dig at Toumpas. "Leave Jimmy alone", their underbelly is growing softer and softer by the minute,

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/mel...a/news-story/6d0705a79200a231458661921c5d753e

Bernie just keeps on giving, doesn't he?

 

[Mego Red]

That's one way to look at it. Another is that we committed $20m to a state of the art training/admin centre at the precinct whose value was then placed at risk by the SANFL subsequently selling off their land. Prior to committing those funds, you'd like to think that we had secured our rights to the area in order to guarantee return on our significant investment. If we were forced to find alternate training digs away from our elite indoor and recovery centre then we would have looked very silly indeed. I think we find ourselves in what should have been the break even position following our $20m commitment to that precinct.

I'm not sure this makes sense.

We had to make an investment in a modern training facility. It has to be SOMEWHERE.

We know have that asset on land that we're using rent free for the next 20 years. Any other place for the facility would be somewhere that we'd be paying rent. Seems a pretty good deal to me.

 

[1970crow]

I'm not sure this makes sense.

We had to make an investment in a modern training facility. It has to be SOMEWHERE.

We know have that asset on land that we're using rent free for the next 20 years. Any other place for the facility would be somewhere that we'd be paying rent. Seems a pretty good deal to me.

Yeh, but you don't go investing $22m on a structure unless you've guaranteed tenure of the underlying plot of land for long enough to recoup the benefit of the investment. The fact that we are still able to use the facility and train nearby is exactly the scenario that existed when we decided to invest the funds into the facility in the first place. If the SANFL weren't contractually obliged to provide us the space and nearby training facilities, then logically we would have looked elsewhere before committing those funds. Would you invest into leasehold improvements without a contractual obligation of the other party to continue to provide you control of the property?

 

[Mego Red]

Yeh, but you don't go investing $22m on a structure unless you've guaranteed tenure of the underlying plot of land for long enough to recoup the benefit of the investment. The fact that we are still able to use the facility and train nearby is exactly the scenario that existed when we decided to invest the funds into the facility in the first place. If the SANFL weren't contractually obliged to provide us the space and nearby training facilities, then logically we would have looked elsewhere before committing those funds. Would you invest into leasehold improvements without a contractual obligation of the other party to continue to provide you control of the property?

I would undertake capital expenditure on a property I was leasing, if there was security around the length of the lease. But I'm not expecting the lease to be free.

Look - a lot of AFL teams would have sweet deals with local councils (there is no mother reason you would train in Seaford), but that doesn't mean it's not an advantageous deal for us.

 

[mattymac]

Federal treasurer has made a preliminary decision to prevent the acquisition of S Kidman & Co by Dakang which is 49% owned by port power's new Chinese overlord Gui.

The acquisition has been deemed against the national interest. The Chinese consortium has been given until budget day to plead their case.

I find it hilarious that the Federal government has stepped in and rained on the parade of the sell out power supporters in the state government and their dumb arse deal with this shady Gui bloke

 

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Federal treasurer has made a preliminary decision to prevent the acquisition of S Kidman & Co by Dakang which is 49% owned by port power's new Chinese overlord Gui.

The acquisition has been deemed against the national interest. The Chinese consortium has been given until budget day to plead their case.

I find it hilarious that the Federal government has stepped in and rained on the parade of the sell out power supporters in the state government and their dumb arse deal with this shady Gui bloke

Would it be a conflict to sell a massive parcel of land while promoting a major investment?

 

[VSTone]

anyone else looking forward to the top of the table clash tonight?

 

[Deaneus!]

anyone else looking forward to the top of the table clash tonight?

Yes. Will be interesting... Nora's first game against anyone of note, and even they've got a heap of injuries

 

[mattymac]

Would it be a conflict to sell a massive parcel of land while promoting a major investment?

$371 million land and assets parcel with 80% to go to the Chinese. It's just too big for the national interest. They'll have to break it down and get more Australian investors taking a larger chunk.

Gui throwing money at Port was a blatant ploy to get state labor government support in his bid to acquire S Kidman & Co

I'm mostly concerned with Chinese commercial interests getting control over our rangeland beef stocks and the price of steak going through the roof

 

[Red mist]

$371 million land and assets parcel with 80% to go to the Chinese. It's just too big for the national interest. They'll have to break it down and get more Australian investors taking a larger chunk.

Gui throwing money at Port was a blatant ploy to get state labor government support in his bid to acquire S Kidman & Co

I'm mostly concerned with Chinese commercial interests getting control over our rangeland beef stocks and the price of steak going through the roof

Undoubtedly.

I was thinking an election ploy. They want votes. Invest in the subs. Say no to the land. Get our nod.

 

[mattymac]

Undoubtedly.

I was thinking an election ploy. They want votes. Invest in the subs. Say no to the land. Get our nod.

Ah I'm with you now. No doubt there's a bit of that. I'm on board with both decisions though.

Would've just preferred the German U Boats. Not sure the French are the ones to go to if you want regional dominance in submarine warfare.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Port's current malaise is a very good example of just how quickly a team/club can go backwards at a rate of knots or get things right and taste success. One or two good or bad decisions by the board, a few key injuries during a season and it can go either way.
Adelaide in the last 10 years is a classic example of this also.
It's good for everyone to remember this, including me, when having a laugh at Port at the moment.

Yeah, nah. F*ck em

 

[GameofSloanes]

Wow they are getting really soft over at Alberton, first the players were deeply upset by Kochie being mean to them and now their supporters are upset because Vince had a dig at Toumpas. "Leave Jimmy alone", their underbelly is growing softer and softer by the minute,

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/mel...a/news-story/6d0705a79200a231458661921c5d753e

The fact that Melbourne players are having a crack at them shows how low they have sunk

 

[GreyCrow]

Would it be a conflict to sell a massive parcel of land while promoting a major investment?

Three things at play
1. Caretaker government soon
2. Nuclear waste option
3. Political payback to JW over subs screw

 

[Red mist]

Ah I'm with you now. No doubt there's a bit of that. I'm on board with both decisions though.

Would've just preferred the German U Boats. Not sure the French are the ones to go to if you want regional dominance in submarine warfare.

Apparently we have to paint one yellow. With a reverse gear. Blakey MMM.

 

[Red mist]

Three things at play
1. Caretaker government soon
2. Nuclear waste option
3. Political payback to JW over subs screw

Yeah no doubt. They wouldn't sign off on that until there was another phase of government. Nuclear waste puts another slant on the hot rocks idea. Feds want SA more than ever for votes.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Why when i open each thread am i seeing political statements

 

[TrainRoo32]

Why when i open each thread am i seeing political statements

I was always told, the Captain of the Crows is more important than the Premier

 

[Sam_Malone]

Can someone explain this Kidman park sale to China thing to me like I'm a 5 year old?

 

[Red mist]

Why when i open each thread am i seeing political statements

Ask the boss.

 

[SmegHead]

Can someone explain this Kidman park sale to China thing to me like I'm a 5 year old?

Not the suburb, S Kidman & Co is a company that owns a heap of large cattle stations which are currently up for sale. Since Australians have had farming culture bred out of them over the last 40 years, no-one wants to buy it. One of the prospective buyers is a Chinese company partly owned by PAFC's new footy-mad benefactor.