2016 Non Crows AFL Discussion thread Part 2

[BRL121]

Interesting .....do the players drop their heads with disappointment ....or realise this is their last chance for a flag ......think it will vary personality to personality

I think this displays Scott's thoughts that they are unlikely to progress past week one of the finals.

 

[Vader]

Unless they think their next premiership is coming in 2017, then I simply cannot agree with this. Experienced players such as Harvey have value with regards to teaching the younger players, setting standards at training, etc.
While they might not actually play in the next premiership, they can still help build the foundation for it.

Even with these 4 players gone, they still have 12 players aged 28+ (and 5 aged 30+). I'm not sure that you can really build a case for him helping to "build the foundations". The fact is that they have plenty of other experienced players to "build the foundation", even without Boomer's assistance.

What they really lack is the up and coming young talent, for the older players to be passing their experience on to.

 

[MRB37]

http://sen.lu/2bMKp2e

Imagine what we could have done with all those picks!

“So from 27 picks we’ve got six hits, twenty misses and one with the jury still out – but two of those ticks are not at the footy club anymore,” said Anderson on SEN radio

27 picks and only 4 are still at the club!

 

[aneale]

I think this displays Scott's thoughts that they are unlikely to progress past week one of the finals.

My view exactly. 'Come see the 4 retiring stars in round 23 before they are potentially bundled out in an interstate final'

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[Squiba]

Jars absolutely BRUTAL on mmm just then XD

Jars: "Do you think port will be brave enough to do the same thing (as north)?"

"With who Jars?"

Jars: "half their list... It's an average list that's going no where"

"I agree"

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think this displays Scott's thoughts that they are unlikely to progress past week one of the finals.

He can't gamble that he will win week one .....otherwise the players wouldn't get a send-off and supporters would take up the pitchforks

Will the team lift for the retiring 4 .......doubt it as if a Final match is not enough motivation already, then they're doomed already

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Jars absolutely BRUTAL on mmm just then XD

Jars: "Do you think port will be brave enough to do the same thing (as north)?"

"With who Jars?"

Jars: "half their list... It's an average list that's going no where"

"I agree"

More the question .....are Richmond prepared to make the tough calls?? .....i doubt it !

 

[gothecrows]

Even with these 4 players gone, they still have 12 players aged 28+ (and 5 aged 30+). I'm not sure that you can really build a case for him helping to "build the foundations". The fact is that they have plenty of other experienced players to "build the foundation", even without Boomer's assistance.

What they really lack is the up and coming young talent, for the older players to be passing their experience on to.

The problem is that he's still their best player. By all means, you don't need to get keep all of their older players for the reason you mentioned - players that can be replaces effectively (or relatively effectively) by others in the squad should make way. But Harvey is still out-performing pretty much everyone in their team - that is why they should keep him (or at least let him make the decision).

 

[Deaneus!]

More the question .....are Richmond prepared to make the tough calls?? .....i doubt it !

I hear they've got a 5 year plan

 

[baldandbroke]

I understand the reasoning. No doubt the players had to be culled, that is the business when you have that many over-agers. The way they did it? I dunno.

Harvey should have come out and said - "This might be my last game in Victoria as I'm hanging up the boots at the end of this season."

Maybe they gave him that opportunity? What if they did and he said "I want to go on next year"? Jeez, that creates a real sh!tstorm. So he plays his last few games for the club feeling ripped off?

I think the best way to handle it would be to not say anything and deny the fans a "farewell game". Then cull them at the end of the season.

 

[jo172]

So is he the new Future?

*missing puzzle piece.

Unfortunately it's a 1000 piece puzzle and it only came with half a dozen pieces.

 

[Vader]

The problem is that he's still their best player. By all means, you don't need to get keep all of their older players for the reason you mentioned - players that can be replaces effectively (or relatively effectively) by others in the squad should make way. But Harvey is still out-performing pretty much everyone in their team - that is why they should keep him (or at least let him make the decision).

Personally, I'm neither for, nor against, the sacking of Boomer. I'm just pointing out that the argument of keeping him to "build the foundations" just doesn't work, given North's list demographics.

 

[MRB37]

http://sen.lu/2bMKp2e

Imagine what we could have done with all those picks!


27 picks and only 4 are still at the club!

To put that in perspective. We had 31 picks (12 national, 1 mini and 18 rookies) between 2010-2013, plus losing 4 picks due to draft sanctions and we have 14 of those blokes still in the team.

Brodie Smith, Jarryd Lyons, Ricky Henderson in 2010.
Brad Crouch, Mitch Grigg, Cam Ellis-Yolmen and Rory Laird (with Sam Kerridge at Carlton) in 2011.
Rory Atkins and Kyle Hartigan in 2012 (draft sanction year)
Matt Crouch, Riley Knight, Charlie Cameron and Jake Kelly in 2013 (another draft sanction year)

 

[pmar]

So what would a player like Harvey's pay be like? List spot aside. Maybe he's asking for too much money?

you'd think if Harvey was desperate to play on then he would accept a bargain basement 1yr contract, or even a rookie level contract with match payments.... No way would he be demanding $500k+

I'm just surprised Waite survived the cull... I understand he's contracted but surely he's been the least productive out of all of them and showing no signs of changing

 

[displacedaussie]

Brodie Smith, Jarryd Lyons, Ricky Henderson in 2010.
Brad Crouch, Mitch Grigg, Cam Ellis-Yolmen and Rory Laird (with Sam Kerridge at Carlton) in 2011.
Rory Atkins and Kyle Hartigan in 2012 (draft sanction year)
Matt Crouch, Riley Knight, Charlie Cameron and Jake Kelly in 2013 (another draft sanction year)

TickTick, Tick, Tick
TickTick, x, ?, TickTick, [Tick]
Tick, Tick
TickTick, Tick, Tick, ?

One strike-out (Mitch Grigg), 4 double-ticks, two question marks (Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Kelly) out of the lot?

 

[Mego Red]

There's a difference between what you need to do (ie bare minimum) and doing what is the best for the club. Adelaide made those decisions back then based on what they needed to do. Let's see if we have learnt why we haven't won a premiership for 18 years.

Yep, we gotta make the hard decisions that North Melbourne has, so we can win all those premierships like they have.

 

[Bacon8]

you'd think if Harvey was desperate to play on then he would accept a bargain basement 1yr contract, or even a rookie level contract with match payments.... No way would he be demanding $500k+

I'm just surprised Waite survived the cull... I understand he's contracted but surely he's been the least productive out of all of them and showing no signs of changing

He doesn't though

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/6ea327cfb7c4d3104ba6111b7dff1955

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Surprised Firrito has played this long tbh

 

[pmar]

He doesn't though

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/6ea327cfb7c4d3104ba6111b7dff1955

I just assumed he took a 3 year deal when he crossed from Carlton. That makes Norths decision even stranger...

 

[Elite Crow]

It's one thing to make the decision to cut them - and doing so now is entirely appropriate.

Making the decision, telling the players, then holding a media conference only 30 min later, is entirely inappropriate. The players should have been given time to decide how they wanted to deal with it. They should have been given the option of saving face, by announcing their own retirements. Instead, the club robbed them of their dignity. That's what stinks.

Scott said he told them yesterday.

 

[Elite Crow]

http://sen.lu/2bMKp2e

Imagine what we could have done with all those picks!


27 picks and only 4 are still at the club!

Which club is this?

 

[creme_fraiche]

The more I think about it the more I can't help but think that North couldn't have cocked up the handling of Harvey any more if they tried.

This is a bloke that just over a month ago was ok to use as a marketing tool for commemorative jumpers as he broke the games record.

This is a bloke that last week racked up 32 disposals and 3 goals against the number 1 side in the competition.

This is also a bloke that will likely finish Top 5 in their b&f and, as has been pointed out, is currently the 26th rated player in the competition.

If they were in a position where youth was beating the door down, he was clearly declining and he was having a negative impact on the clubs performances overall I could understand it -

BUT

This is a club that currently has Petrie, Wells, Firrito, Waite, Dal Santo, Ray, Nahas and an injury prone Higgins and Tippett on its list; and they're honestly concerned that Harvey will take the place of a potential gun youngster?

Surely a club like the Roos could've benefitted from Harvey in a playing mentor/coaching role and cull the majority of the names listed above? Best case scenario you get a bloke playing 450 and an enormous marketing boost from jumper sales and commemorative memorabilia. Worst case he gets injured or falls off the cliff and continues in a coaching capacity.

You can't draw parallels with Harvey and (our) Scott Thompson or any other senior player in the league because he's such a rare and unique beast given the football he's playing. Should've been given another year 100%

 

[Roo Lives Again]

The first time I've had respect for North Melbourne in a while. Kudos to them for making tough calls, for the long term benefit of the club.

Exactly. People getting all testy eyed over the players need to remember that the players leave clubs and walk out on contracts all the time now. That's the new AFL. The flip side of that is players can also get dumped by clubs. They've all had long careers so they really don't have any right to whinge.

 

[hippyhippy]

Hard to argue with that... even if they delist 10 players.. they could not replace them ... north prob will struggle to be above 10th next year... time for them to bottom out.

 

[conVINCEd]

I think it's the right call from North. I reckon they do have some decent youngsters and they need to know there is an opportunity for them.

They should've cut Waite as well in order to keep Aaron Black but he'll be out the door now (altho he is contracted so they could demand he stays).