2016 Non Crows AFL Discussion thread Part 2

[cmndstab]

That's because we've got enough of an endurance base that we can now focus on simple maintenance through ball work exercises and repeat sprints to increase running power. We didn't even bother with a time trial this year because it has now become redundant - we know most of the players will run sub 12 minutes so what's the point?

Do you genuinely believe the time trial is just a diagnostic exercise?

 

[Sanders]

Come on man, it is a bit harsh to pay out Ralf Wiggum.

Not sure you're anyone to talk

 

[Sanders]

Put it this way, the crows are a piece of shit in my world, but if they started working with overseas investors the way Port are I would reluctantly congratulate them.

In "your world" lol sure

 

[Sanders]

That's because we've got enough of an endurance base that we can now focus on simple maintenance through ball work exercises and repeat sprints to increase running power. We didn't even bother with a time trial this year because it has now become redundant - we know most of the players will run sub 12 minutes so what's the point?

When a troll account starts to parody itself we've arrived at peak whacko

 

[Janus]

Lol, surely you can't be that delusional.

Are you not concerned this year your players were not running out games like a few years ago & you have lost this competitive advantage?

Don't disagree you need plenty of ball work as your side doesn't have the skill level required to be a finalist.

Guess we'll see, won't we?

No other sport in the world wastes time testing timed endurance running at professional level unless the sport participated in is a timed endurance running event, such as a marathon. They work on the core attributes needed to perform their chosen discipline. We were flogged for a few years to create the base of fitness that had eroded from years of neglect, to build up the cardiovascular endurance required to fuel increased strength and reduce fatigue.

Do you genuinely believe the time trial is just a diagnostic exercise?

When does a player run 3km continuously during a match without a break? Never. However, you can get the same amount of endurance work done with 10 300m runs, except the 300m will focus on power and speed at the start before building up endurance. Which is what we are doing now.

 

[Janus]

I hope what you say is 100% true and that really is the mindset of the PAPFC.

Burgo is so good they no longer need to test the players fitness. Now you just need Burgo to take over the medical department so Charlie's ankle won't need scans anymore, Burgo can just say it's good to go, no need for tests or measurements"

Those kids in the high performance class must be learning so much from this "take no measurements, say it's better than ever" approach.

It's called GPS data. We're testing the players fitness every single day.

 

[1970crow]

Guess we'll see, won't we?

No other sport in the world wastes time testing timed endurance running at professional level unless the sport participated in is a timed endurance running event, such as a marathon. They work on the core attributes needed to perform their chosen discipline. We were flogged for a few years to create the base of fitness that had eroded from years of neglect, to build up the cardiovascular endurance required to fuel increased strength and reduce fatigue.



When does a player run 3km continuously during a match without a break? Never. However, you can get the same amount of endurance work done with 10 300m runs, except the 300m will focus on power and speed at the start before building up endurance. Which is what we are doing now.

What about the players that arrived after you'd been flogged and had already built up this cardiovascular base? You know that you're talking rubbish.

 

[Pdub]

What about the players that arrived after you'd been flogged and had already built up this cardiovascular base? You know that you're talking rubbish.

Just like the AFL club that started in 1997 has been Port since 1870, the players who joined in 2016 have been port since 2013.

 

[beartoo]

Guess we'll see, won't we?

No other sport in the world wastes time testing timed endurance running at professional level unless the sport participated in is a timed endurance running event, such as a marathon. They work on the core attributes needed to perform their chosen discipline. We were flogged for a few years to create the base of fitness that had eroded from years of neglect, to build up the cardiovascular endurance required to fuel increased strength and reduce fatigue.



When does a player run 3km continuously during a match without a break? Never. However, you can get the same amount of endurance work done with 10 300m runs, except the 300m will focus on power and speed at the start before building up endurance. Which is what we are doing now.

How many players has your list turned over since you built this amazing core?

 

[Janus]

What about the players that arrived after you'd been flogged and had already built up this cardiovascular base? You know that you're talking rubbish.

You mean guys like Marshall who is doing his own training program away from the main group?

I said we had to build it up to a respectable level because of neglect from 08-12 through poor training practices. A standard AFL side that had a proper fitness program during that time doesn't need to do so much remedial running work. You start behind everyone else, you have to work twice as hard to catch up because they are also working hard to pull away.

The guys who have joined our program since Burgess has been here don't need to worry about that so much.

 

[Elite Crow]

You mean guys like Marshall who is doing his own training program away from the main group?

I said we had to build it up to a respectable level because of neglect from 08-12 through poor training practices. A standard AFL side that had a proper fitness program during that time doesn't need to do so much remedial running work. You start behind everyone else, you have to work twice as hard to catch up because they are also working hard to pull away.

The guys who have joined our program since Burgess has been here don't need to worry about that so much.

You know you are making all of this up?

You've written some shit over the years but this is right up there.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

It's called GPS data. We're testing the players fitness every single day.

GPS you say? Amazing. Surprised the other 17 clubs don't invest in this too.

 

[FR0GGY]

Lol, surely you can't be that delusional.

Are you not concerned this year your players were not running out games like a few years ago & you have lost this competitive advantage?

Don't disagree you need plenty of ball work as your side doesn't have the skill level required to be a finalist.

Impey runs just fine thank you

 

[GROTTO]

You know you are making all of this up?

You've written some shit over the years but this is right up there.

Someone had to replace Alex on here.

 

[GreyCrow]

Guess we'll see, won't we?

Must be difficult preaching to those who don't believe this BS.

No other sport in the world wastes time testing timed endurance running at professional level unless the sport participated in is a timed endurance running event, such as a marathon. They work on the core attributes needed to perform their chosen discipline. We were flogged for a few years to create the base of fitness that had eroded from years of neglect, to build up the cardiovascular endurance required to fuel increased strength and reduce fatigue.

Ok Its Sunday morning and yes I have just woken up, taken a few sips of coffee, and read this and my head is spinning a bit, but WTF. You agree your team was flogged because of neglect , ( great idea) now you are happy for neglect to start again ''because flogging is not needed''?

Shouldn't you want your team to build on this high level and maintain a high base?

When does a player run 3km continuously during a match without a break? Never. However, you can get the same amount of endurance work done with 10 300m runs, except the 300m will focus on power and speed at the start before building up endurance. Which is what we are doing now.

When do draftees do beep tests during a game, when do players do 100 x 100m sprints, when do players do laps? Its more BS.

I think you had a snap thought one day when looking at Time Trials and realizing that their only real function is to check the players haven't been getting fat and lazy and have continued with some sort of modified basic training. You have then conflated this into some sort of ''great Burgo move'' and will run with this as other teams pass you quicker than Heeney went past Thompson

 

[Doctor B]

It's not surprising Sydney aren't as successful as Port Power, when has a player ever used ropes in a football game? Idiots!

 

[Geoffa32]

That's because we've got enough of an endurance base that we can now focus on simple maintenance through ball work exercises and repeat sprints to increase running power. We didn't even bother with a time trial this year because it has now become redundant - we know most of the players will run sub 12 minutes so what's the point?

You get what you deserve. You guys were just as slack last preseason and the results came.

The guys were far from fit compared to the running machines they were in 2013 and 2014.

All your spin is amusing because you probably believe it. Even though the actual results prove otherwise



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[Geoffa32]

Janus is the perfect example of the pliable Tealster who KT Kern and Kochie spin their BS to.


Two years out of Finals and still firmly believe they are league leaders and on the cutting edge of everything they do.

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What?

Simple what you described is what some use to call the continental shift. in Layman terms all equal shift all equal pay no loading or penalty rate. Everybody rotates,
there had been a version of the shift in Australia for years, all called by different names.

 

[dogs105]

That's because we've got enough of an endurance base that we can now focus on simple maintenance through ball work exercises and repeat sprints to increase running power. We didn't even bother with a time trial this year because it has now become redundant - we know most of the players will run sub 12 minutes so what's the point?

Even the recruits? Wow, fitness by osmosis.

 

[dogs105]

Impey runs just fine thank you

Charlie Walsh not impressed with his cycling though

 

[GreyCrow]

Even the recruits? Wow, fitness by osmosis.

And here I have been doing 10,000 steps and a 1600 cal diet when all I needed was to go to Adelaide Oval and stand next to the fence

 

[footy4ever]

And here I have been doing 10,000 steps and a 1600 cal diet when all I needed was to go to Adelaide Oval and stand next to the fence

Well i just read on Facebook that you'd weigh so much less if you were standing on mars. It said you're not fat, you're just living on the wrong planet.

 

[Janus]

You know you are making all of this up?

You've written some shit over the years but this is right up there.

I could point you to countless articles which explain the need to build up cardiovascular endurance so you can fuel functional strength. The more weight you carry, the harder the heart has to work in order to pump blood around the body, the quicker you fatigue. The only way to fix that is one of two things - either you strip off weight (which is why marathon runners are always skinny) or you increase your endurance and then build up functional strength to a level that your cardiovascular system can support without muscle fatigue.

I think you had a snap thought one day when looking at Time Trials and realizing that their only real function is to check the players haven't been getting fat and lazy and have continued with some sort of modified basic training. You have then conflated this into some sort of ''great Burgo move'' and will run with this as other teams pass you quicker than Heeney went past Thompson

Not at all. I'm saying it's just a waste of time when last year the teams that were successful were the ones that focused on power running and explosiveness rather than endurance running. Every single side in the top eight had one or two quarters where they would win the quarter more often than not. Sydney, for example, was 1st in the competition for winning first quarters and 1st in the competition for winning 3rd quarters. GWS was in the top four for 2nd and 3rd quarters. West Coast focused on the first and second quarters.

I think 3km time trials were great for football when there was a policy of where if you interchange, you can't return to the field. When players had to stay out there all the time and so needed to prove that they could run for a medium distance at a certain level. With rotations, it's absolutely pointless, and we proved that last year because last year we thought endurance was the key with everyone posting great 3km times and we got flogged at the start of the year by sides who were pushing harder than us.

It's a relic of a style of football that no-one plays anymore. 10 x 300m repeat sprint times (which is what we are doing instead) would be a better indication of whether a player hasn't been getting fat and lazy, because at least it's more conducive to the sport.

But what would Burgess and McKeown know...they are only in the top 100 of the best sport scientists in the world. Our strength and conditioning coach Mladen Jovanovic who sadly had to leave to return to Serbia was in there too.

 

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The only autobiography I have read is Steve Waugh's. It is very likely i will never read Dane Swan's, so can you give me the Reader's Digest Condensed Version of his side of events? Because the bits I've seen reported on the incident are not... complementary.

Dane Swan was one of the best autobiographies I have read, I would rank it a far better read than Steve Waughs,
Honestly worth the read.