2016 trade hypotheticals

[Left_Billings]

What would Brett Deledio's value be at the end of the year?


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Old slow and untalented, saints offer pick 42. Deal? sweet

 

[Accepted 04]

Old slow and untalented, saints offer pick 42. Deal? sweet

I would only accept this if you include Jason Blake


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[Marc_Remillard]

Huh. Last I heard Vardy was probably going to Melbourne.

Sounds like crap, 4 games in three years, the most he's played in a season is 10. All he would do is take up a spot on our list, we have 3 young players being developed for that role, absolute liability.

I know you won't answer but what's your source?

 

[smasha]

Old slow and untalented, saints offer pick 42. Deal? sweet

#weareeveryonesgrandfinal even off field.

 

[Ants]

imagine he would be.
not sure why GWS would be looking, doesnt fill a need up there.
Essendon seems most likely, if he were to move, as he would be an upgrade on McKernan IMO.

Yeah, but McKernan isn't being played this year, and next we'll have Belly back - who may also not get a game depending on our structure. Would Vardy really want to come to us to sit behind both Leuy and Belly? I mean, there is every chance those guys both break down with injury, but would he want to bet on that?

 

[grouse mate]

grouse mate Gigantic and any other GWS guys,

what would you value Stewart and Barrett as a package?

2nd rounder? 3rd and a player?

Whatever 2017 pick you want to flip. They could both be bargains for any middle ladder club that could give them a better opportunity.

 

[Ants]

That's a pretty good explanation.

The Suns do pretty well, but the Bombers get away with way too much. The Suns would be very one-sided to let a rival club (who could definitely peak alongside each other in a few years) strengthen themselves like that. Throw in your 2nd rounder and you have a pretty even deal.

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Pick #1 is 3000 points. #4 and #8 are worth a combined 3,585 points. Yes, Essendon win but GCS have a big advantage out of the deal due to the academy players.

Adding our second rounder, worth 948 points into the deal makes Essendon big losers. There is no way we'll do that. We may add our third rounder (483 points), but no way we'll add in pick #19.

You also didn't reply to the below post, explaining why GCS can't benefit (with their current selections) from the even draft. So I assume you're ok with the explanation.

It doesn't apply to anyone who is going to lose those top 10 picks on academy players.

If Bowes was lower rated, or if Brisbane wasn't going to finish at best 2nd last, then you would have a point. But there is no way Brisbane isn't going to bid on a Queensland player. Which means GCS won't have the opportunity to use those picks in the even draft as they'll have been used to pay for Bowes. Which negates the value in them.

You seem to be saying "you both win, but EFC win by more. So chuck in your pick #19 so you don't win anymore and only GCS win".

I don't think the Lions will bid on him. They need outside mids, Bowes is inside. Teams don't sacrifice their future bidding on players they don't need in an attempt to make their rival slightly weaker should they match the bid. ......

Brisbane's huge issue is player retention. I can't see them not bidding on a Queenslander who is worth the pick they might get him for. Queenslanders would be like gold for them. And hell, by the time he's come on Rockliff will be on decline anyway.

 

[grouse mate]

I suspect they see Patton and Lobb as a possible exit. Certainly not a #1 imo

Lobb? No way.

 

[grouse mate]

Whatever way these Esesndon supporters want to spin it, pick 1 is not as valuable this year as it was last year, and this is the exact reason why you guys would desperately prefer to have 2 top 10 picks over pick 1.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Lobb? No way.

+1.
Lobb has developed quicker than expected and is really the #2 KPF at GWS now. cant see him leaving

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Yeah, but McKernan isn't being played this year, and next we'll have Belly back - who may also not get a game depending on our structure. Would Vardy really want to come to us to sit behind both Leuy and Belly? I mean, there is every chance those guys both break down with injury, but would he want to bet on that?

could also look at it this way.
would you rather McKernan or Vardy, if Belly and Leuy break down?
i know who i would rather, based on talent

 

[Turbocat]

Lobb? No way.

GM.... any good list management team always looks at its possibles.. whether it happens or not..Lobb instance is from WA..been speculated that Freo will come at him. His form means he is worth more than the original estimate for a new contract when due ..its not unreasonable that they attempt to have redundancies.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Whatever 2017 pick you want to flip. They could both be bargains for any middle ladder club that could give them a better opportunity.

next years 2nd?
cos i reckon, based on their talent and the opportunity they have been given, that seems around the mark

 

[Turbocat]

+1.
Lobb has developed quicker than expected and is really the #2 KPF at GWS now. cant see him leaving

As above... did Gold Coast always see Dixon at Port?

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Whatever way these Esesndon supporters want to spin it, pick 1 is not as valuable this year as it was last year, and this is the exact reason why you guys would desperately prefer to have 2 top 10 picks over pick 1.

From my POV, the reason I want 2 top 10 selections absolutely has to do with that. But it's also the fact that we aren't the worst side in the comp. We don't need pick 1 to flaunt to the competition/fans as a beacon of hope. I think everything unanimously knows we aren't the worst side.

We just want more talent. Last year worked out really well for us, having 2 top 10 selections. We haven't had good selections like this in forever. We want a real influx of young talent into the club, because we're rebuilding. Especially with the draft sanctions we had, we just need more good kids to cover that- although we drafted well those seasons, we still lost players to be able to draft them because our selections came from picks from other clubs.

It works well with GCS because it means they gain access to a player before their likely bid. It would be like GWS last season, getting access to a player before Hopper/Kennedy. (very similar cos hopper was rated top 3, some had him as the best). Both GWS players got bid on before GWS next selection. Infact, every single academy player got bid on before their academy clubs next live selection (keys, hipwood, kennedy, hopper, mills). This proves clubs KNOW that these players will get their bids matched, which is forced academy clubs to pay somewhat fair value for these players, because they are just too good to be passed by.

The big picture in the end is that, because of the way the academy bidding works, GCS could use second rounders to pay for a kid that is rated as one of the best players in the draft. Having pick 1 gives GCS that freedom. No pick 1 opens up the opportunity for clubs to bid, which if last year is to go by, they will get bid on before their selection forcing them to use it.

I mean.. if bowes didn't get bid on before GCS pick, then I guarantee GCS wouldn't take bowes with that selection.. they'd wait for the bid to get him for the cheapest they can!

 

[Ants]

Whatever way these Esesndon supporters want to spin it, pick 1 is not as valuable this year as it was last year, and this is the exact reason why you guys would desperately prefer to have 2 top 10 picks over pick 1.

Well duh! We're not hiding that this is advantageous for us. But because of the unique situation with the academy players, it can also be advantageous for the Suns. Unique circumstances mean this could be a big win win for both clubs.

Plus what Yemoc Nayr said.

 

[Ants]

could also look at it this way.
would you rather McKernan or Vardy, if Belly and Leuy break down?
i know who i would rather, based on talent

Oh, we'd like him! I just can't see why he would want to come to us.

 

[grouse mate]

From my POV, the reason I want 2 top 10 selections absolutely has to do with that. But it's also the fact that we aren't the worst side in the comp. We don't need pick 1 to flaunt to the competition/fans as a beacon of hope. I think everything unanimously knows we aren't the worst side.

We just want more talent. Last year worked out really well for us, having 2 top 10 selections. We haven't had good selections like this in forever. We want a real influx of young talent into the club, because we're rebuilding. Especially with the draft sanctions we had, we just need more good kids to cover that- although we drafted well those seasons, we still lost players to be able to draft them because our selections came from picks from other clubs.

It works well with GCS because it means they gain access to a player before their likely bid. It would be like GWS last season, getting access to a player before Hopper/Kennedy. (very similar cos hopper was rated top 3, some had him as the best). Both GWS players got bid on before GWS next selection. Infact, every single academy player got bid on before their academy clubs next live selection (keys, hipwood, kennedy, hopper, mills). This proves clubs KNOW that these players will get their bids matched, which is forced academy clubs to pay somewhat fair value for these players, because they are just too good to be passed by.

The big picture in the end is that, because of the way the academy bidding works, GCS could use second rounders to pay for a kid that is rated as one of the best players in the draft. Having pick 1 gives GCS that freedom. No pick 1 opens up the opportunity for clubs to bid, which if last year is to go by, they will get bid on before their selection forcing them to use it.

I mean.. if bowes didn't get bid on before GCS pick, then I guarantee GCS wouldn't take bowes with that selection.. they'd wait for the bid to get him for the cheapest they can!

Essendon had 2 picks before Hopper and didnt bid with either.

 

[Accepted 04]

Lobb isn't going anywhere I don't think.
Stewart, Steele, Barrett, Marchbank and the like are the type of players that could be lured out I think.
I would take Stewart off their hands for nxt years 3rd Rounder


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[YEMOC NAYR]

Essendon had 2 picks before Hopper and didnt bid with either.

Yes, last season that happened! Something that has been talked about alot. Kennedy not being bid on till 14 was highway robbery too. Point being is that these players will get bids before GCSuns next live selection. That's a fact. Do you think GCS would pick bowes at 4 if noone bid before them? Hell no.. But a bid will come. There is talk that ess are willing to bid on him this season

 

[Milanista28]

1, 37 to Lions.
Rockliff, 20, 24 to Essendon.

?

 

[coniglio_number1]

GM.... any good list management team always looks at its possibles.. whether it happens or not..Lobb instance is from WA..been speculated that Freo will come at him. His form means he is worth more than the original estimate for a new contract when due ..its not unreasonable that they attempt to have redundancies.

Lobb left Perth at 14 due to excessive bullying. He does not suffer homesickness and has lived away from home since he was a young teenager.

 

[eth-dog]

1, 37 to Lions.
Rockliff, 20, 24 to Essendon.

?

Nah. We have enough slow inside mids.

 

[Milanista28]

Nah. We have enough slow inside mids.

in 2 years time we won't.

 

[eth-dog]

in 2 years time we won't.

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