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List Mgmt. 2017 captain - Dayne Beams

Who would you like to be captain in 2017.

  • Rockliff

    Votes: 16 8.4%

  • Zorko

    Votes: 62 32.6%

  • Robinson

    Votes: 42 22.1%

  • Beams

    Votes: 53 27.9%

  • Rich

    Votes: 8 4.2%

  • Other

    Votes: 9 4.7%
  • Total voters
    190

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Yeah considering we are a young, developing group, I see no problem with having a respected and recognised leader of the group on the fringes/playing in the reserves. Quite beneficial actually.
 
Congrats to Beams! Great player and hopefully he can get his body right to lead you guys throughout the year.

The weight off Rockliff should help him immensely. No knock on him but some people just don't deal with the stress a position like that can bring. Him being VC will allow him to focus on being involved in leading the club but prioritise his footy first. Gonna be exciting to watch.

Good luck this year guys.

PS. Feel free to send Schache our way come the end of the year, there's a high-5 in it for you. ;)
 
DrMike said:
Congrats to Beams! Great player and hopefully he can get his body right to lead you guys throughout the year.

The weight off Rockliff should help him immensely. No knock on him but some people just don't deal with the stress a position like that can bring. Him being VC will allow him to focus on being involved in leading the club but prioritise his footy first. Gonna be exciting to watch.

Good luck this year guys.
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Thanks Doc!
 

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Easily best 22. Only real utility we have can play forward back and midfield. I reckon poor lester gets a bit of a bad wrap around these parts. Last year he was very poor but before that he was pretty good.

Good in around the contest and can pop up forward and kick a couple. I reckon his elevation into the leadership group is a good reward for his effort over the off season. He has been very good at trainings and match simulations I have been too and was far from our worst last week.

He'll play 22 games this year, Fagan obviously rates him pretty highly and we need all the experience we can get.
 
So it's official....we won in the Beams trade.

Thanks Pies

:thumbsu:
 
Lester is a surprise. Any chance that he is seen as a NEAFL captain type and is in the group with that paradigm in mind.

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Way back when, I played football for a team that was predominantly amateur, although the playing coach and a couple of the star players did get paid (not much). The team was comprised of a representative spread of the community in general – a handful of professionals (accountant, optician, policeman (fondly nick-named Piggy which illustrates the level of PC around in those days), banker, shop-keeper), a couple of army officers, a couple of student kids (plus me as a mature student), a couple of terminally unemployed, a few tradesmen and more than a few labourers, a pig farmer, a couple who had been in jail and a couple more who should have been in jail.

Over a period of ten-plus years, this team ended up winning a majority of the competition premierships. We trained two nights a week and played on the weekend. As was pretty common, we were partly sponsored by a local pub, and it was the cultural centre of the club players and membership, with a lot of after-game drinking and the usual fundraising via raffles etc.

I socialised with a few members of the team, some I didn’t particularly like and hence mostly avoided, but most were good to have a casual drink with. The vast majority of these blokes were not what one might consider politically correct in either social or work habits. However, once the players ran onto the field, they were a team and an extremely cohesive one at that. There was a leadership hierarchy that had nothing to do with off-field standings and everything to do with on-field talent, organisational ability and effort.

Hence my distain for the role of political correctness in the performance of a playing group. My experience was that the on-field culture could be quite different from the off-field culture, with some of the on-field leaders being anything but that off-field. The players were not fools, and could recognise and adjust to this quite readily.

They say that sport is a great leveller, and that was certainly my experience on-field. I’m therefore not particularly concerned by what happens off-field among the playing group provided they can meld into a team once they cross the oval boundary.

Many of us here can probably relate similar experiences. The issue, I think, is the differentiation between on-field and off-field leaders. More and more I believe the position of Captain of an AFL club is predominantly off-field, and more PR-related than playing-related. I'm OK with Beams taking over the captaincy, and I'm sure that he will lead on-field. I'm just as sure that guys like Rocky and Zorko will also lead on-field, and be listened to by the playing group.
 
Ray Button said:
Way back when, I played football for a team that was predominantly amateur, although the playing coach and a couple of the star players did get paid (not much). The team was comprised of a representative spread of the community in general – a handful of professionals (accountant, optician, policeman (fondly nick-named Piggy which illustrates the level of PC around in those days), banker, shop-keeper), a couple of army officers, a couple of student kids (plus me as a mature student), a couple of terminally unemployed, a few tradesmen and more than a few labourers, a pig farmer, a couple who had been in jail and a couple more who should have been in jail.

Over a period of ten-plus years, this team ended up winning a majority of the competition premierships. We trained two nights a week and played on the weekend. As was pretty common, we were partly sponsored by a local pub, and it was the cultural centre of the club players and membership, with a lot of after-game drinking and the usual fundraising via raffles etc.

I socialised with a few members of the team, some I didn’t particularly like and hence mostly avoided, but most were good to have a casual drink with. The vast majority of these blokes were not what one might consider politically correct in either social or work habits. However, once the players ran onto the field, they were a team and an extremely cohesive one at that. There was a leadership hierarchy that had nothing to do with off-field standings and everything to do with on-field talent, organisational ability and effort.

Hence my distain for the role of political correctness in the performance of a playing group. My experience was that the on-field culture could be quite different from the off-field culture, with some of the on-field leaders being anything but that off-field. The players were not fools, and could recognise and adjust to this quite readily.

They say that sport is a great leveller, and that was certainly my experience on-field. I’m therefore not particularly concerned by what happens off-field among the playing group provided they can meld into a team once they cross the oval boundary.

Many of us here can probably relate similar experiences. The issue, I think, is the differentiation between on-field and off-field leaders. More and more I believe the position of Captain of an AFL club is predominantly off-field, and more PR-related than playing-related. I'm OK with Beams taking over the captaincy, and I'm sure that he will lead on-field. I'm just as sure that guys like Rocky and Zorko will also lead on-field, and be listened to by the playing group.
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That may have been true in your experience, but there is a great deal of research and thinking that goes into attitudes about leadership and leadership structures. Thinking about off-field standards hasn't happened in a vacuum.

Also, there is basically no more over-deployed complaint than 'political correctness'. What it sounds like you mean is: 'not choosing dickheads'.
 
Ray Button said:
Way back when, I played football for a team that was predominantly amateur, although the playing coach and a couple of the star players did get paid (not much). The team was comprised of a representative spread of the community in general – a handful of professionals (accountant, optician, policeman (fondly nick-named Piggy which illustrates the level of PC around in those days), banker, shop-keeper), a couple of army officers, a couple of student kids (plus me as a mature student), a couple of terminally unemployed, a few tradesmen and more than a few labourers, a pig farmer, a couple who had been in jail and a couple more who should have been in jail.

Over a period of ten-plus years, this team ended up winning a majority of the competition premierships. We trained two nights a week and played on the weekend. As was pretty common, we were partly sponsored by a local pub, and it was the cultural centre of the club players and membership, with a lot of after-game drinking and the usual fundraising via raffles etc.

I socialised with a few members of the team, some I didn’t particularly like and hence mostly avoided, but most were good to have a casual drink with. The vast majority of these blokes were not what one might consider politically correct in either social or work habits. However, once the players ran onto the field, they were a team and an extremely cohesive one at that. There was a leadership hierarchy that had nothing to do with off-field standings and everything to do with on-field talent, organisational ability and effort.

Hence my distain for the role of political correctness in the performance of a playing group. My experience was that the on-field culture could be quite different from the off-field culture, with some of the on-field leaders being anything but that off-field. The players were not fools, and could recognise and adjust to this quite readily.

They say that sport is a great leveller, and that was certainly my experience on-field. I’m therefore not particularly concerned by what happens off-field among the playing group provided they can meld into a team once they cross the oval boundary.

Many of us here can probably relate similar experiences. The issue, I think, is the differentiation between on-field and off-field leaders. More and more I believe the position of Captain of an AFL club is predominantly off-field, and more PR-related than playing-related. I'm OK with Beams taking over the captaincy, and I'm sure that he will lead on-field. I'm just as sure that guys like Rocky and Zorko will also lead on-field, and be listened to by the playing group.
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But this isn't some amateur country league. For a full time professional outfit, leaders need to be that, both on and off the field, inside and outside of the club. They're not off being plumbers or police, Monday to Friday, they are leaders of the team, 7 days a week, and when they socialise together, it is often as a team group.
 

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Bucking Beads said:
Happy with Dayne Beams as skipper. He's matured a great deal since coming up to Brisbane. One thing I just understand is all the Rockliff stuff. We were desperate to get rid of him because he had issues as skipper last year and he is VC this year. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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Me either........I'm happy to have Beams as C, as long as Zorko was VC....either way for those two were my choices. Just hope Dayne stays fit and in one piece or that will leave the VC stepping in as C. If that happens we have taken a step backwards......and I thought we were supposed to be making a clean sweep to move forward.

Not happy to have Rockliff back up there ahead of Zorko.

..but it's done, so hoping the club and coach know what they are doing and we go forward from here.....and it's not another one of our blunders.
 
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TheBrownDog said:
Yeah considering we are a young, developing group, I see no problem with having a respected and recognised leader of the group on the fringes/playing in the reserves. Quite beneficial actually.
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I don't have a problem with that either and would explain his elevation. The only thing from Lester's point of view is the captain of the twos doesn't play firsts (usually).
 
A few different comments made on why different players were not included in the leadership group. There will always be reasons for those types of decisions that supporters will never know about. We see the players on the field, on social media and at the occasional club function and social catch up.
We don't see how everyone behaves or conducts themselves on a day to day basis when the camera is not focused on them.
Leadership is far more than ability (even though a huge part). Prime example is that some have suggest Ryan Lester is not in the best 22. Im not going to judge that or any part of who Ryan is as a person. He must however be a very good role model inside the walls of the footy club as well as outside when the cameras are not around. He would not have been elevated to leadership otherwise.
Dan Rich is not in the leadership this year. Perhaps he didn't want to be a leader and simply wants to focus on playing the best footy he can play.
There is so much that goes into the ingredients of picking a captain or a leader of any organisation and only those that leadership affects can really appreciate the value of the person selected.
 
Not sure you could say the hatchet has been buried and then leave Rockliff out of a leadership role after the amount of praise he has received over the last 2 months.

I like it, Rocky can still be a leader of the group and yet isn't the top dog.
 

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I'm sure Lester has some very good qualities to bring to the team. I suppose most of the doubt around him centres on whether he will warrant a position in the side as the year goes along. Not a big deal I suppose given he is not skipper or vice captain, but you would like to think that the leadership group are capable of leading by example for as long as they are fit, rather than missing on account of poor form. Less of a concern for the others.
 
Leemas said:
Easily best 22. Only real utility we have can play forward back and midfield. I reckon poor lester gets a bit of a bad wrap around these parts. Last year he was very poor but before that he was pretty good.

Good in around the contest and can pop up forward and kick a couple. I reckon his elevation into the leadership group is a good reward for his effort over the off season. He has been very good at trainings and match simulations I have been too and was far from our worst last week.

He'll play 22 games this year, Fagan obviously rates him pretty highly and we need all the experience we can get.
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I liked Lester playing forward last year. Quality young fellow, and stuck by the club when all his draft mates left ie the go home 5. I am sure he will be very proud to take on this role for the club
 
TheBrownDog said:
Yeah considering we are a young, developing group, I see no problem with having a respected and recognised leader of the group on the fringes/playing in the reserves. Quite beneficial actually.
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Dont mind this at all. Lester IMO is somewhere around the 20-25 range. So probs a really good move.

Congrats D Beams. Great player. Lets hope he can be a good leader for the next 4-5 years. Rockliff as vice captain is a pritty solid call aswell. Personally im a little dissapointed he didnt keep the job but im sure this can be his new beginning. He has from what i gather righted a few wrongs and is on track for a cracking 2017.
 
I want to start by saying I'm in the camp of Rockliff should have been traded last year.

He wasn't, and has since gained a lot of praise for turning his life around. Given the way he was last year, it is a great effort by him and he should be quite proud of himself and hopefully continues his upward trend. The real test is not regressing but I get the feeling he won't.

I'm all for redemption and wish Tom the best.
 
Len S said:
And I hope we're not gifting Lester games on the back of this decision.
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winged1 said:
Rubbish, borderline at very best. He might be designated captain of the neafl side.
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The second option is far more likely, IMO.

Cograts to Beams, and all the leadership group. And well done Rocky -a new leaf it seems.
 
Kevvo said:
I'm happy for Lester. He can be a frustrating player, but seems to have consistently high professional standards.
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Yep I am happy for him too. Given the player retention issues over the last few years it great to see a player who wants to be part of the club. ( even if he might not have other options). I am hoping the off season surgery frees up his movement. I'm still on the Lester band wagon but I am maintaining very clear vision of the exits.
 

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