2017 Draft thread

[briztoon]

Jack Higgins. And won't require our first pick.

Smaller, different type of player.

Certainly one of my preferred players if Ports pick is available.

 

[Kevvo]

I'm not sure he helps the age profile given Schache and Hipwood are only 2 years older. Those other three probably won't last if Ballenden are any good.
A ruck-forward is probably the main reason why we'd draft him but with our current list I don't think we'd draft him if he wasn't part of our academy.

I think passing on Watson was more surprising given we only had 3 key backs and we currently have at least 7 key forwards on our list.

Yeah, possibly. Those are fair points.

On Watson, I get the impression our recruiters just didn't rate him as highly as North did. The same might be true for Ballenden: if somebody bid pick 3 or something we may well pass. I'd guess that is unlikely though. If it took Port's first and didn't set our later picks back? Then I reckon those other factors might be enough. If it is our third pick (18) or later I'd be really surprised if we passed.

 

[briztoon]

I'm not sure he helps the age profile given Schache and Hipwood are only 2 years older. Those other three probably won't last if Ballenden are any good.
A ruck-forward is probably the main reason why we'd draft him but with our current list I don't think we'd draft him if he wasn't part of our academy.

I think passing on Watson was more surprising given we only had 3 key backs and we currently have at least 7 key forwards on our list.

The academy coaches and list managers might have known Jack Payne was coming through this year and rated him higher than Watson.

 

[jackess]

Yeah, possibly. Those are fair points.

On Watson, I get the impression our recruiters just didn't rate him as highly as North did. The same might be true for Ballenden: if somebody bid pick 3 or something we may well pass. I'd guess that is unlikely though. If it took Port's first and didn't set our later picks back? Then I reckon those other factors might be enough. If it is our third pick (18) or later I'd be really surprised if we passed.

Exactly. Given we don't need another key forward it might be a case of how the discount works in our favour and who else is available.

 

[spotthedog1]

I think passing on Watson was more surprising given we only had 3 key backs and we currently have at least 7 key forwards on our list.

Watson was bid on in the back end of the 2nd round. If we'd matched, it'd have cost us the rest of our points for that year, and then pushed back this year's 2nd round pick - not 3rd, 2nd. Effectively, to bid on pick 34 (I think it was - don't quote me on that), we'd have had to move back this year's pick 19 a fair chunk.

 

[jackess]

Watson was bid on in the back end of the 2nd round. If we'd matched, it'd have cost us the rest of our points for that year, and then pushed back this year's 2nd round pick - not 3rd, 2nd. Effectively, to bid on pick 34 (I think it was - don't quote me on that), we'd have had to move back this year's pick 19 a fair chunk.

I know

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

We seem to be short on later picks as we were last year.

 

[POBT]

Just on the "type" of player we should be targeting, I think draft watchers aren't always in sync with clubs about what position a draftee is being considered for. Last year, we clearly drafted Berry with a view to him being a long term midfielder, despite the experts routinely describing him as a HBF. In fact, the club copped criticism for taking three "back flankers" out of our first four picks and there were a few here bemoaning us not taking a big bodied mid at all. Fast forward 6 months and Berry's playing a lot of midfield time and we've used Cox at either end of the ground. Only Witherden is still projecting as a true HBF and we still don't know if that's his long term role in the side or whether he might end up on a wing or on ball at some point in the future. All in all, last year looks like a pretty balanced group of recruits and not so far off what our long term list needs are.

I guess the point to be made here is that people get a bit fixated on what position a player is playing now and that often doesn't reflect their likely senior role once drafted and then again after a few years' development.

 

[jjami15]

Just on the "type" of player we should be targeting, I think draft watchers aren't always in sync with clubs about what position a draftee is being considered for. Last year, we clearly drafted Berry with a view to him being a long term midfielder, despite the experts routinely describing him as a HBF. In fact, the club copped criticism for taking three "back flankers" out of our first four picks and there were a few here bemoaning us not taking a big bodied mid at all. Fast forward 6 months and Berry's playing a lot of midfield time and we've used Cox at either end of the ground. Only Witherden is still projecting as a true HBF and we still don't know if that's his long term role in the side or whether he might end up on a wing or on ball at some point in the future. All in all, last year looks like a pretty balanced group of recruits and not so far off what our long term list needs are.

I guess the point to be made here is that people get a bit fixated on what position a player is playing now and that often doesn't reflect their likely senior role once drafted and then again after a few years' development.

Just on Berry and also Witherden both of their respective junior coaches believe that they would end up midfielders. In today's game you do need to be flexible and play in multiple positions.

 

[luthor]

Just on the "type" of player we should be targeting, I think draft watchers aren't always in sync with clubs about what position a draftee is being considered for. Last year, we clearly drafted Berry with a view to him being a long term midfielder, despite the experts routinely describing him as a HBF. In fact, the club copped criticism for taking three "back flankers" out of our first four picks and there were a few here bemoaning us not taking a big bodied mid at all. Fast forward 6 months and Berry's playing a lot of midfield time and we've used Cox at either end of the ground. Only Witherden is still projecting as a true HBF and we still don't know if that's his long term role in the side or whether he might end up on a wing or on ball at some point in the future. All in all, last year looks like a pretty balanced group of recruits and not so far off what our long term list needs are.

I guess the point to be made here is that people get a bit fixated on what position a player is playing now and that often doesn't reflect their likely senior role once drafted and then again after a few years' development.

Pretty sure that in his draft year, Dyson Heppell was being widely referred to as a half back flanker.

 

[Quigley]

Pretty sure that in his draft year, Dyson Heppell was being widely referred to as a half back flanker.

In fairness he did play as a HBFer in his first year of AFL.

 

[chopperduck]

Cox is seen as being able to play either end. far from pegged as a HBF. they really like his goal sense up forward.

 

[POBT]

Cox is seen as being able to play either end. far from pegged as a HBF. they really like his goal sense up forward.

Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make. The club sees something different in him than what (some of) the draft watchers did.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Essendon's Andrew McGrath will end up being a full-time midfielder. The kid is a genuine star and you don't bury them in the back pocket (with all due respect to Chris Johnson).

 

[BuntonRules]

Essendon's Andrew McGrath will end up being a full-time midfielder. The kid is a genuine star and you don't bury them in the back pocket (with all due respect to Chris Johnson).

Or Aker.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Opinions on Cameron Rayner?

 

[briztoon]

Opinions on Cameron Rayner?

Good player, can be very exciting at times. Needs to improve his tank. Vic City.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Good player, can be very exciting at times. Needs to improve his tank. Vic City.

Just curious as KM rates him #1.

 

[briztoon]

Just curious as KM rates him #1.

At the moment there's no consensus number one.

Being a draft nut, I read a fair bit from a lot of draft followers. Depending on who you read and listen to, Darcy Fogarty (SA), Luke Davies-Uniacke, Rayner, Jarrod Brander and even Jaidyn Stephenson are all in the mix for #1.

At the moment I personally have as a two horse race in Fogarty and LDU.

Remember last year McCluggage was rated #1 by most draft observers, but ended going at 3.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Advertiser write up on Fogarty

If he has a good championships would fit our recent draft strategy. Seems happy to go anywhere

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...e/news-story/cf6effff40db7ee469ffd28f8928f264

 

[Eons]

Advertiser write up on Fogarty

If he has a good championships would fit our recent draft strategy. Seems happy to go anywhere

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...e/news-story/cf6effff40db7ee469ffd28f8928f264

Can you post the full article please?

 

[Carlos Danger]

Can you post the full article please?

Glenelg’s Darcy Fogarty will lead South Australian under-18 charge
Matt Turner, The Advertiser
June 9, 2017 6:27pm
Subscriber only
THE youngster some expect will become SA’s first No.1 draft pick in more than a decade is spearheading the Croweaters’ national under-18 title tilt starting Saturday.

Darcy Fogarty has caught the eye this year playing four league games for Glenelg as a big-bodied half-forward/midfielder.

Likened to the Western Bulldogs’ Jake Stringer, Fogarty is considered a realistic chance of ending SA’s drought at the top of the draft board.

The last Croweater taken first was also from Glenelg – Bryce Gibbs to Carlton in 2006.

Fogarty, 17, will have the chance to further impress AFL scouts during the national under-18 championships over the next month, starting against WA in Perth on Saturday.

But he is not paying attention to hype about his draft prospects.

Glenelg's Darcy Fogarty is tipped to be SA's first player taken at this year's draft.
“I’m just hoping to get drafted, but I don’t care if I go 50 or one - it’s an opportunity given,” says Fogarty, who also plays for Rostrevor College.

“This year I just want to play good, consistent football.”

No matter how early he is selected, Fogarty will spare a thought for his hometown of Lucindale and the people there who continue to support him.

His family’s farm in the south-east town was where the Year 12 student learnt to kick with both feet between a Stobie pole and a netball ring.

Later, Lucindale locals helped Fogarty’s family raise $1000 so they could pay for a trip to Canberra to represent SA’s under-12s at a national titles.

Making his A-grade debut for the Lucindale Kangaroos at 15 – after training with the seniors from the age of 11 – was the final step in his football journey in the country town before trying to make it in the city.

Fogarty, who has five sisters, makes the three-and-a-half hour trip back to Lucindale whenever he can during school holidays.

His mum Jackie came up from the town to watch her son’s SANFL league debut for Glenelg against Central District on April 29.

“I’m not really doing it for myself,” he says.

“If I’m lucky enough to make it to the AFL, it’s for my family, my friends and my hometown.

“They (Lucindale community) have done a lot for me, always been behind me and supported me.

“I just want to make my family proud.”

Fogarty, a member of both the AFL academy and SA’s under-18s, has sought advice about what awaits him ahead of the draft from Glenelg team-mate Jonty Scharenberg.

This time last year, Scharenberg was considered a certain first-round pick, only to be overlooked entirely.

“He just says ‘don’t try to get caught up in it because anything can happen. Appreciate what you’ve got at the moment and just have fun’.”

Fogarty has grown 4cm and added 2kg over the past year.

Rostrevor coach Steve Symonds believes the youngster, who now stands 193cm and 90kg, will get drafted among the top three.

Symonds says Fogarty can play a similar position to Stringer in the AFL, but compares his on-field presence to one of the game’s all-time greats.

“Darcy has got a bit of an aura about the way he plays the game, not unlike a young Wayne Carey with the way he had presence on the field,” Symonds says.

“I think Darcy could be a ready-made player for the AFL next year.”

 

[BigCat2]

Will leave football talent assessment to our recruiters, but personality wise sounds great. A good country lad, is appreciative of what he has with no sense of entitlement.

 

[Eons]

 

[jjami15]

Carey like? No pressure there. I listened to an interview with him and he sounds real down to earth. Wants to get on the tools as well and I think that Mayes does this so there's already a link for him. Will be one to watch. Hates getting beaten as well which I like. Sounds silly but I preferred playing with those more hate to lose than love to win types.