List Mgmt. 2017 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Andre the Giant]

Mark Stevens saying he is 100% out the door to the Cats



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They will need to find a first rounder as they have no currency with draft picks. Who are they trading out?

 

[Colonial]

They will need to find a first rounder as they have no currency with draft picks. Who are they trading out?

If its a player then, surely as our cap space sucks, they would need to throw in his salary.
If true thay is and Mark isnt known for being on the ball.

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[Giant Strides]

Mark Stevens saying he is 100% out the door to the Cats.

I wonder who Stevo's source is.

Bigfooty or bartender at his local pub. It remains possible that Dev leaves, but I don't reckon Stevo's got a clue. Just throwing darts - has learnt from his time in the business to be 100% confident, no matter what is said.

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

Bigfooty or bartender at his local pub. It remains possible that Dev leaves, but I don't reckon Stevo's got a clue. Just throwing darts - has learnt from his time in the business to be 100% confident, no matter what is said.

Since Ralph is quoting the manager as he's staying, then someone will look stupid at the end of it.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They will need to find a first rounder as they have no currency with draft picks. Who are they trading out?

We are allowed to trade our 2018 1st rounder if we want.

Motlop is a restricted free agent and i expect he will go although i doubt we will get a 1st round compensation pick it will be likely to be end of first round (pick 19) or a pick after our second rounder at best.

I expect we will have a few fringe type players leave because they are struggling to get games but i doubt you will have either the need (your side is very strong) or the cap room to take them.

I suspect any trade between our clubs for devon will be picks only.

 

[Andre the Giant]

We are allowed to trade our 2018 1st rounder if we want.

Motlop is a restricted free agent and i expect he will go although i doubt we will get a 1st round compensation pick it will be likely to be end of first round (pick 19) or a pick after our second rounder at best.

I expect we will have a few fringe type players leave because they are struggling to get games but i doubt you will have either the need (your side is very strong) or the cap room to take them.

I suspect any trade between our clubs for devon will be picks only.

You traded your 1st rounder this year (Tuoey deal) and in 2016 (Henderson deal) are you able to do that for three consecutive years? If so the AFL is a joke and not learning from the perils seen in the NFL.

With respect to players I agree as there is nothing on your list other than the obvious untouchables that we would want.

 

[dlanod]

You traded your 1st rounder this year (Tuoey deal) and in 2016 (Henderson deal) are you able to do that for three consecutive years? If so the AFL is a joke and not learning from the perils seen in the NFL.

There is a rule on not trading too many first round picks. It kicks in in 2019.

 

[Andre the Giant]

There is a rule on not trading too many first round picks. It kicks in in 2019.

LOL how thoughtful of the AFL.

But they were happy to rush through stripping Albury.

Trading a 1st rounder three years in a row is absurd.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

You traded your 1st rounder this year (Tuoey deal) and in 2016 (Henderson deal) are you able to do that for three consecutive years? If so the AFL is a joke and not learning from the perils seen in the NFL.

With respect to players I agree as there is nothing on your list other than the obvious untouchables that we would want.

The afl clarified the rule (and the wet lettuce leaf penalty of not being able to trade in more 1st rounders til you use 2 in 4 years) doesnt take effect until 2019 so we can trade our 2018 1st rounder.

To be fair also the picks we are trading out are mid teens picks (we traded pick 16 for henderson and the pick we traded for tuohy will probably be similar) its not as if we are trading pick 3 every year and also its not as if we are trading out of every draft (which is what the afl was worried clubs would do) for example we traded 16 for henderson but we traded caddy out for 24 to get back in the draft, we may have traded out say 16 for tuohy but we traded in carltons second rounder (currently pick 21) and we may trade a high pick for dev but we will probably trade back into the second round via someone like motlop going. So its not as if we are bailing on the draft we are just choosing who stays and who goes at our club.

But still i agree the way afl changes rules on the run all the time is rubbish. Just pointing out we can do a trade for dev.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

LOL how thoughtful of the AFL.

But they were happy to rush through stripping Albury.

Trading a 1st rounder three years in a row is absurd.

To be fair hawthorn traded a first rounder or end of first rounder every year between 2009-2014 so we are not doing anything that's without precedent.

I agree the afl rule changes on the run though are ridiculous no argument from me there.

Back to smith in particular, intetested on your idea as to what sort of pick or player you would value him at?

 

[Andre the Giant]

To be fair hawthorn traded a first rounder or end of first rounder every year between 2009-2014 so we are not doing anything that's without precedent.

I agree the afl rule changes on the run though are ridiculous no argument from me there.

Back to smith in particular, intetested on your idea as to what sort of pick or player you would value him at?

In terms of value he is a first rounder. These days when players are out if they nominate a club you pretty much take what is on offer.

If he decides to go and nominates you guys then the 18 first rounder is the value.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

To be fair hawthorn traded a first rounder or end of first rounder every year between 2009-2014 so we are not doing anything that's without precedent.

I agree the afl rule changes on the run though are ridiculous no argument from me there.

Back to smith in particular, intetested on your idea as to what sort of pick or player you would value him at?

I'm pretty sure a swap involving Cockatoo would get our attention.

 

[Andre the Giant]

After watching the last few weeks I would put the signature of Harry Himmelberg above Hopper, Kennedy and even Smith.

This kid has super composure, time, balance and always keeps his feet. I rate him higher than Tommo on what I've seen and believe he will definitely establish himself as best 22 if we lock him in.

Aside from that he is really mobile and can play forward and kick goals.

Our List Manager is mad if he doesn't sign him up now.

 

[Bokonon_]

After watching the last few weeks I would put the signature of Harry Himmelberg above Hopper, Kennedy and even Smith.

This kid has super composure, time, balance and always keeps his feet. I rate him higher than Tommo on what I've seen and believe he will definitely establish himself as best 22 if we lock him in.

Aside from that he is really mobile and can play forward and kick goals.

Our List Manager is mad if he doesn't sign him up now.

I agree completely about Himmelberg but flinch at rating him over Smith.
The problem is with Davis, Corr and Tommo hoing very well I can see him playing NEAFL and getting frustrated.
We cant carry too many high value tall backs and have Mohr and Finlauson as presumably cost effective backup.
Just a left field idea, what about trade one of the top three and retain him on a good wicket. It gives us a better age profile and I think he will be great value in time.
I expect some backlash and I'll just say I wouldn't be kicking any of them out against their will, if they want to stay so be it.

 

[Magruder]

After watching the last few weeks I would put the signature of Harry Himmelberg above Hopper, Kennedy and even Smith.

This kid has super composure, time, balance and always keeps his feet. I rate him higher than Tommo on what I've seen and believe he will definitely establish himself as best 22 if we lock him in.

Aside from that he is really mobile and can play forward and kick goals.

Our List Manager is mad if he doesn't sign him up now.

I'm hearing SoS is a fan but Hopper is his preferred target.

 

[Andre the Giant]

I agree completely about Himmelberg but flinch at rating him over Smith.
The problem is with Davis, Corr and Tommo hoing very well I can see him playing NEAFL and getting frustrated.
We cant carry too many high value tall backs and have Mohr and Finlauson as presumably cost effective backup.
Just a left field idea, what about trade one of the top three and retain him on a good wicket. It gives us a better age profile and I think he will be great value in time.
I expect some backlash and I'll just say I wouldn't be kicking any of them out against their will, if they want to stay so be it.

If he goes it will be another Marchbank scenario.

 

[Bokonon_]

If he goes it will be another Marchbank scenario.

I can see it could easily be, just wondering if thete's a way to avoid it.

 

[Bokonon_]

I'm hearing SoS is a fan but Hopper is his preferred target.

You get no more key backs. Jezza the General and Rory would be pissed for a start. He's shown himsekf to be flexible but key back still his most likely career path I think.

 

[IanW]

The Berg strikes me as one of those players you can use in a number of positions.

 

[Orange Agent]

Im always shocked that SOS has so many discussions with fans who post on this site.

 

[Orange Agent]

After the interview with Kelly post match im starting to think our money offer is the problem and when a guy like him sees the club recruit Griffen, Deledio and perhaps SJ then there is probably a point. If the cap is tight I think its worth looking at backloaded 5 year deal so the big $$$ come into effect after a few retirements. $1mill a year is too much but its time to look at keeping who is most important.

 

[Bokonon_]

After the interview with Kelly post match im starting to think our money offer is the problem and when a guy like him sees the club recruit Griffen, Deledio and perhaps SJ then there is probably a point. If the cap is tight I think its worth looking at backloaded 5 year deal so the big $$$ come into effect after a few retirements. $1mill a year is too much but its time to look at keeping who is most important.

Dangerous strategy backending contracts in the expectation things will be better at some point in the future.
Talk to any old Hawks fan about Nick Holland. It could work but if the plan goes wrong it could screw your list management badly.

 

[Orange Agent]

Dangerous strategy backending contracts in the expectation things will be better at some point in the future.
Talk to any old Hawks fan about Nick Holland. It could work but if the plan goes wrong it could screw your list management badly.

Im looking at Mumford, Shaw, Griff, Lids, SJ all being gone in the next 2 years so we should have a bit to work with then. Deledio trade has backfired if we cant afford to retain a Kelly because of it.

 

[Bokonon_]

Im looking at Mumford, Shaw, Griff, Lids, SJ all being gone in the next 2 years so we should have a bit to work with then. Deledio trade has backfired if we cant afford to retain a Kelly because of it.

I'm not sure you'd get a contract like that past the AFL these days. Not sure how process scrutiny works though. It's all discussion and opinion. Just mentioning the risk of having a huge obligation and no player.

 

[Raymann]

Our offer is not a problem 2 years x $800. It is consistent with what we pay our best players. This offer will squeeze one out say Smith, Hopper or Bam Bam