Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Gingerbread man]

Does anyone know if we are keen on hartung?

Go back a page and have a look for a post with a ridiculous amount of likes, EP sometimes knows a little more than most

 

[PrinceCharles]

To be fair, it isn't an ideal situation where we have a bunch of older players around 30 and then the kids...

In say 2 years when the kids are really roaring and we are making our way up the ladder and finals it will hurt a bit that the likes of Murphy, Simmo & Kreuz will be either gone or past their best...it's a shame since they are 3 of our best players currently (Simmo moreso before this year).

Would be really nice if they were all 2 years younger so they could actually be around at at their peak when we're playing finals.

Meh, they've been great servants, but nothing we couldn't easily replace with free agency and trading. It's like he thinks there's a cliff and no way to avoid it. In fact, I think we already have a Simmo replacement anyway. Murphy isn't what he used to be, imo it would actually be a really good thing not to have to rely on him in the middle.

 

[rampar]

Completely disagree.

If we need more mids - recruit them!!!!!

They don't grow on trees

 

[F_therest]

Meh, they've been great servants, but nothing we couldn't easily replace with free agency and trading. It's like he thinks there's a cliff and no way to avoid it. In fact, I think we already have a Simmo replacement anyway. Murphy isn't what he used to be, imo it would actually be a really good thing not to have to rely on him in the middle.

Murphy won our b&f...

All im saying is it would be nice if they were like 2 years younger to be part of our success and to give the team continuity.
But yes, ultimately im confident we'll be able to replace them adequately.

 

[Funk]

He was average in the middle, not terrible.

He was average because they threw him in there adhoc. A full preseason working as a midfielder, learning tap zones, running patterns etc and he will become a general in the midfield. Generals in the midfield are hens teeth.

What would I prefer a general in the midfield or across halfback? Midfield.

That's what Murphy and Cripps are there for - too many generals spoil the broth......

 

[Funk]

They don't grow on trees

And neither do All Australian HBF's!!!!!

 

[Funk]

He does have a few valid points, even McKay said we were after players in that middle aged bracket.

Would've made more sense to keep Buckley and Boek and give Daisy the flick I reckon, Buckley a much better kick than Daisy and Boek much quicker.
Both were in the 24-25 age bracket too!

You've got to be kidding- Dylan was so far off AFL level quality it was a joke.

Love the guy, and love his effort but sadly way out of his depth.

 

[thylacine60]

That's what Murphy and Cripps are there for - too many generals spoil the broth......

this - a stitch in time (gathers no moss)

 

[ferrisb]

He can't have been that bad, he does have a highlight video...

This inspired me to show Digby Morrell's highlight video.










If you can't see him, it's because Digby is hiding behind my post....

 

[LordLucifer]

Docherty can be as good a midfielder as Rory Sloane. If only it was that easy to 'recruit!!!!!' a player the calibre of Sloane.

Ease up Geoffrey.

 

[Big_Luch]

The beauty of free agency means the problem highlighted by Terry 'the list manager' is much easier to address.

I don't get the insecurity they are trying to push onto Brendon Bolton, unless he loses the playing group I don't see why we would sack him on results alone.
(like I get the media are trying to manufacture a story)

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Meh, they've been great servants, but nothing we couldn't easily replace with free agency and trading. It's like he thinks there's a cliff and no way to avoid it. In fact, I think we already have a Simmo replacement anyway. Murphy isn't what he used to be, imo it would actually be a really good thing not to have to rely on him in the middle.

A lot to like here but, You can't replace Simmo with free agency they won't bleed NAVY

 

[Blue Flame]

This inspired me to show Digby Morrell's highlight video.










If you can't see him, it's because Digby is hiding behind my post....

Wasn't that deluca?

 

[Amers]

I still stick by my statement we are 5 years away, that's not necessarily a bad thing, year 1 we are on a merry go round, year 2 it's like a gravatron by year 5 we are on the Green lantern at movie world!
At the moment we are definitely at the merry go round stage it's constantly stopping and changing people. The Green lantern is 5 years away, meanwhile enjoy the ride! Hope you enjoy my analogy!

2018 - top 12
2019 - top 8
2020 - top 4 and challenging for a flag

Anything slower than this is wasting time IMO and our list management and coaches should come under scrutiny.

 

[ray8182]

Although l’m comfortable with all the delistings l remember our discussions on the number of delistings likely this year. Generally people thought there could only be so many changes and some of the fringe players would be kept for 1 more year.

With 13 list changes for 2017 Sos put an end to the theory of keeping fringe players. He just continues to cut hard, no mucking around. Once he decides a player just isn’t up to it , he cuts them.

10 changes from main list.
3 rookies gone.

Added to main list.
Lobbe, Lang,Kennedy,mullet

Leaves 6 main draft picks.

Is this correct? Seems like a lot.

Ps. Nick graham survived. So 1 fringe player kept.




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[PrinceCharles]

A lot to like here but, You can't replace Simmo with free agency they won't bleed NAVY

Love Simmo, but Williamson will offer more long term imo.

 

[Blue Baggers]

Other than Gibbs we have moved 90% of blokes on the list that were cloggers imo!
Very happy with the result and look
Forward to adding midfield guns and depth

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Let me frame this for you in a different way...

Why do clubs often say about flankers "we see him progressing into the midfield"but you never hear them talk about midfielders progressing to halfback?

To the back pocket ... The Club.

 

[therubbernub]

That's what Murphy and Cripps are there for - too many generals spoil the broth......

Yeah- you dont have to be a rocket surgeon....

 

[GapInIkonPark]

If someone can be bothered compiling a list of our players age from:
18-22
23-27
28+
I think the middle tier might be a bit light on.

Not definitive ...

We have a few 23 to 24 year olds. Docherty, Plowman, Cripps (turns 23 in 2018) and Lang.

Lamb is 25 years old, I think Mullett is too. Graham turns 24 next year and Kerridge turns 25.

In 2 years time:
- our 5 best 22 players from the 2015 Draft (Weitering, McKay, Charlie, Cuningham and Jack) will all be 22 years old.
- Pickett and Marchbank will be 23, Kennedy 22 ...
- Our 2016 draftees (SPS, Fisher, Williamson, Macreadie, Polson and Kerr) will mainly be 21 year olds.

Free agents anyone?

 

[GapInIkonPark]

To be fair, it isn't an ideal situation where we have a bunch of older players around 30 and then the kids...

In say 2 years when the kids are really roaring and we are making our way up the ladder and finals it will hurt a bit that the likes of Murphy, Simmo & Kreuz will be either gone or past their best...it's a shame since they are 3 of our best players currently (Simmo moreso before this year).

Would be really nice if they were all 2 years younger so they could actually be around at at their peak when we're playing finals.

Think we have a crack at landing Dylan Shiel or Josh Kelly at the end of a Season 2019.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Although l’m comfortable with all the delistings l remember our discussions on the number of delistings likely this year. Generally people thought there could only be so many changes and some of the fringe players would be kept for 1 more year.

With 13 list changes for 2017 Sos put an end to the theory of keeping fringe players. He just continues to cut hard, no mucking around. Once he decides a player just isn’t up to it , he cuts them.

10 changes from main list.
3 rookies gone.

Added to main list.
Lobbe, Lang,Kennedy,mullet

Leaves 6 main draft picks.

Is this correct? Seems like a lot.

Ps. Nick graham survived. So 1 fringe player kept.




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I fess up as one who thought we wouldn’t cut so deep this year (but would finish the job next year in a better draft).

I like what SOS and Bolts are doing.

2018 I think will be our ‘hump year’ where natural improvement in our large group of young players sees us slowly rise into the 13th - 15th on the ladder ...

 

[95bluemember]

2018 - top 12
2019 - top 8
2020 - top 4 and challenging for a flag

Anything slower than this is wasting time IMO and our list management and coaches should come under scrutiny.

I think a more realistic scenario is top 4 in 2022 - 2023, although I hope you right

 

[therubbernub]

I fess up as one who thought we wouldn’t cut so deep this year (but would finish the job next year in a better draft).

I like what SOS and Bolts are doing.

2018 I think will be our ‘hump year’ where natural improvement in our large group of young players sees us slowly rise into the 13th - 15th on the ladder ...

This is the year where we really see the reality of what we are doing.

We have potential stars who will need to take the next step to confirm their potential. Charlie, JW, SPS.

We have many players that look to very good but again its all potential : Marchbank, Plowman, Silvagni, Fisher, Macreadie, Cunningham, Williamson, Pickett

If they all come on as most here expect, then we are tracking pretty well, but if even a few dont, then we are struggling

 

[Benaly28]

I think a more realistic scenario is top 4 in 2022 - 2023, although I hope you right

Hawks finished round the bottom 4 in 2004 and won the flag on 08 I don't think we need to wait until 22/23 before challenging.This years and next years draft are crucial.