2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread

[Sanders]

Hird may have made bad decisions, we all make bad decisions from time to time; whatever his role in the essendon scandal has no bearing on the basic human empathy that situations like this call upon

I'm all for holding him accountable personally and professionally, but am angrily against suggesting anything in the line of blame or that he doesn't deserve sympathy in what are clearly very dark days

He's been a golden child for a long time, and he's sadly reached a bad place. There is nothing to rejoice in here. At all.

 

[jenny61_99]

Whilst I'm not a fan of the bullying tactics the AFL do use, the Hirds do need to take responsibility, rather than comparing James to others. Let's not forget he oversaw a regime using experimental drugs on his players & massively failed a duty of care on young men.

I hope he regains full health, but the everyone else is to blame, when failing to take full responsibility for own actions is getting rather boring. If he wants to properly heal his mind, come out & truly apologise for the hurt you have caused others.

Nothing would surprise me with the AFL. I remember Dimwit denying they'd forced us to sack Rendell too. But if they did interfere with his employment at SEN, they are a bunch of arseholes. Hird's "friends" should also just STFU. Let him get the help he needs without your running commentary. The more they talk to the media about James, the more the media will hound him. There have been very few stories about Hird this year. A plethora in the last 12 hours but less than a handful over the previous 12 months. So has there been media pressure on him?

 

[jenny61_99]

Hird may have made bad decisions, we all make bad decisions from time to time; whatever his role in the essendon scandal has no bearing on the basic human empathy that situations like this call upon

I'm all for holding him accountable personally and professionally, but am angrily against suggesting anything in the line of blame or that he doesn't deserve sympathy in what are clearly very dark days

He's been a golden child for a long time, and he's sadly reached a bad place. There is nothing to rejoice in here. At all.

Are there many rejoicing though? I don't see it.

 

[Sanders]

Are there many rejoicing though? I don't see it.

Your glee for one is barely disguised

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Your glee for one is barely disguised

So now you read people's minds & accuse them regardless of what they post...

Classy.

You're just picking a fight because that is what you do!

 

[Geoffa32]

Most people feel guilty when they realised they ****ed up.

Seems Hird may have come to that realisation.

Not a Mental Health Issue, he just feels guilty for the years of pain he has put so many people through and the personal expense it has cost him.

 

[Ramify]

Your glee for one is barely disguised

in no way speaking on her behalf,but I think Jenny has just followed the guys behavioural patterns more closely than most.
Don't see any glee from her personally.

With the media spin and the closing of ranks around him now,I'm a little skeptical myself. Callous as that may turn out to be.
A pattern seems to be emerging in the AFL when it comes to disgraced identities and mental health issues that wouldn't be accepted in everyday society.

IVe know a few people whom I'd identify as Narcissistic personalities who have used attempted suicide as a means to an ends not being death.
Whilst these folk could well be suffering a mental illness of their own,they aren't the same as those suffering depression, bipolar, or any other disorder that leaves one prone to actual suicidal tendency.

Has anyone ruled out accidental overdose yet? "Intentional poisoning" seems like it has been worded in this particular way deliberately. For instance, I could go hard on the Yayo and Hennessy all weekend and end up having to admit myself,or having some sober acquaintance ringing the ambos upon discovering my state, and when arriving at the E.R. Have Doctors describe my state as "Intentional Poisoning" as that would be exactly what it was. OR I could drink a bottle of Draino or Oven cleaner and that would also be what it was.

 

[kirky]

Anyone watching the NFL Wildcard playoffs on Sunday ?

And what do we have on the front page? Lawyer blaming AFL? Yep, let's keep this going - both media and Hird's side are going to milk this for everything.

 

[skoobydoo]

Seems like he not only risked money and reputation but also his marriage

James was a great footballer however he was prepared to watch other officials fall on their swords while he continued to take no responsibility and play the victim, its sad to hear that he has intentionally tried to poison himself but I tend to agree if James had taken responsibility early in the investigation the impact would have been different

You only have to look at the Cronulla Sharks situation

Yes. Fortunately for the Sharks they didn't have our Vlad trying to manipulate Essendons 'self reporting' and 'total co-operation'. How inept and out of touch were a whole raft of people who were playing the collusive untouchables in isolated downtown Melbourne, Victoria!
One of your crowning achievements Vlad.

 

[skoobydoo]

I think it has just finally dawned on him the enormity of it all. Up till now he's been so busy fighting it he probably now has time to think WTF did I do?

Yep. What TF did I do during the 'drug fest' and also what TF did I do for all of the 'after the event' schemozzle.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Most people feel guilty when they realised they stuffed up.

Seems Hird may have come to that realisation.

Not a Mental Health Issue, he just feels guilty for the years of pain he has put so many people through and the personal expense it has cost him.

Unfortunately I am not convinced that he feels guilty as there is little to suggest that he has accepted his portion of negligence over the Essendon scandal

Even as late as this morning Hird's Lawyers were still playing the victim card and this type of stance could be a major factor in his well-being.

IMO I just think it is time for James, his Family, Lawyers and Friends to move on and maybe the best way to do this is accept that their is a portion of blame to James as he was the Head Coach and maybe accept that his camp has made some wrong decisions throughout the investigation

Again I look at the Cronulla situation, they took a completely different path and two years later their Club, Players and Coach all are basking in Premiership Glory

FWIW sometime to move forward you need to stop the blame game, own it and hold the mirror up to yourself so you can deal with it

 

[Elite Crow]

One thing I'm over is the analysis from a far on here. No one here has a clue what he's currently feeling, what his guilt levels are, what he's accepted. All we know is he's tried to commit suicide which is pretty ****ed up.

I find this discussion morbid.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Unfortunately I am not convinced that he feels guilty as there is little to suggest that he has accepted his portion of negligence over the Essendon scandal

Even as late as this morning Hird's Lawyers were still playing the victim card and this type of stance could be a major factor in his well-being.

IMO I just think it is time for James, his Family, Lawyers and Friends to move on and maybe the best way to do this is accept that their is a portion of blame to James as he was the Head Coach and maybe accept that his camp has made some wrong decisions throughout the investigation

Again I look at the Cronulla situation, they took a completely different path and two years later their Club, Players and Coach all are basking in Premiership Glory

FWIW sometime to move forward you need to stop the blame game, own it and hold the mirror up to yourself so you can deal with it

You don't know who he blames internally

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[jenny61_99]

Wow, so the implication is that depression is just selfishness. That's an amazing insight, better let lifeline and beyond blue know that all they need to treat is selfishness. Let me guess, you're completely on board with the principle of depression and the need for community understanding, but once a person chooses to end their life, then they are fully cognitive but selfish. But you're in their corner all the way up to that critical moment when their illness takes its greatest toll.

You've drawn the implication. It's not what I said.

 

[jenny61_99]

Your glee for one is barely disguised

That's disgraceful. There is absolutely no joy in this situation at all.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

You don't know who he blames internally

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We know plenty from Hird's own statements

 

[jenny61_99]

One thing I'm over is the analysis from a far on here. No one here has a clue what he's currently feeling, what his guilt levels are, what he's accepted. All we know is he's tried to commit suicide which is pretty stuffed up.

I find this discussion morbid.

Yet here you are.

 

[Ramify]

One thing I'm over is the analysis from a far on here. No one here has a clue what he's currently feeling, what his guilt levels are, what he's accepted. All we know is he's tried to commit suicide which is pretty stuffed up.

I find this discussion morbid.

Haven't checked, but is the official story that he tried to commit suicide?

 

[Elite Crow]

Yet here you are.

To do what?

Try to encourage people not to judge? Yep I'm guilty.

 

[Geoffa32]

Unfortunately I am not convinced that he feels guilty as there is little to suggest that he has accepted his portion of negligence over the Essendon scandal

Even as late as this morning Hird's Lawyers were still playing the victim card and this type of stance could be a major factor in his well-being.

IMO I just think it is time for James, his Family, Lawyers and Friends to move on and maybe the best way to do this is accept that their is a portion of blame to James as he was the Head Coach and maybe accept that his camp has made some wrong decisions throughout the investigation

Again I look at the Cronulla situation, they took a completely different path and two years later their Club, Players and Coach all are basking in Premiership Glory

FWIW sometime to move forward you need to stop the blame game, own it and hold the mirror up to yourself so you can deal with it

Yeah I think you are right, going by what is coming from the Hird camp (those PR spin doctors must be expensive) he is still playing the victim card.

And agree, Cronulla copped their wack and reaped the rewards.


For anyone thinking we paid too high a price and jumped too early over the Tippet sanctions, just look at how Cronulla and Essendon played their cards. Like Cronulla we owned up when caught out, copped our wack and came out of it far better than we would have had we contested our guilt.

 

[Elite Crow]

Yeah I think you are right, going by what is coming from the Hird camp (those PR spin doctors must be expensive) he is still playing the victim card.

And agree, Cronulla copped their wack and reaped the rewards.


For anyone thinking we paid too high a price and jumped too early over the Tippet sanctions, just look at how Cronulla and Essendon played their cards. Like Cronulla we owned up when caught out, copped our wack and came out of it far better than we would have had we contested our guilt.

How do you know what he is doing?

As for the penalties, we lost 4 picks, they lost how many? 1 and premiership points. That was the penalty handed by the AFL and that was going to be it if the AFL got away with it.

There was not a world governing body that was going to give us a whack.

Then compare our penalties to Melbourne and GWS, yep we are much better off having bent over.

 

[jenny61_99]

To do what?

Try to encourage people not to judge? Yep I'm guilty.

That's hilarious coming from you. Particularly when you are actually judging ME. Hypocritical much?

 

[jenny61_99]

How do you know what he is doing?

As for the penalties, we lost 4 picks, they lost how many? 1 and premiership points. That was the penalty handed by the AFL and that was going to be it if the AFL got away with it.

There was not a world governing body that was going to give us a whack.

Then compare our penalties to Melbourne and GWS, yep we are much better off having bent over.

They lost 3 picks. Two the first year, two the second, but they were given a late first rounder in the second for whatever bullshit reason the AFL gave. You could argue that whilst Essendon's behaviour was for more reprehensible (doping players with experimental drugs) they weren't messing with the draft in any way shape or form, whilst we were trying to manipulate it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Haven't checked, but is the official story that he tried to commit suicide?

Don't believe that has been confirmed & we may never really know.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

They lost 3 picks. Two the first year, two the second, but they were given a late first rounder in the second for whatever bullshit reason the AFL gave. You could argue that whilst Essendon's behaviour was for more reprehensible (doping players with experimental drugs) they weren't messing with the draft in any way shape or form, whilst we were trying to manipulate it.

Essendon severely tarnished the AFL brand compared to us with Tippett-gate & disgrace their sanctions are so light... Including #1 pick last year.

Vlad went the maximum for us & has been more intent covering up for Essendon.

If the clubs were reversed, what penalties would have been handed down?