2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread

[CrowsB4hoes]

Don't believe that has been confirmed & we may never really know.

They'll never confirm it, but whenever they quote the Lifeline number when doing a story, it's suicide.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

They'll never confirm it, but whenever they quote the Lifeline number when doing a story, it's suicide.

Not necessarily - suspected suicide.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Yes. Fortunately for the Sharks they didn't have our Vlad trying to manipulate Essendons 'self reporting' and 'total co-operation'. How inept and out of touch were a whole raft of people who were playing the collusive untouchables in isolated downtown Melbourne, Victoria!
One of your crowning achievements Vlad.

The only thing we can be thankful for is that the whole business forced him to resign

 

[GameofSloanes]

Why the F...k don't Hirds people give the guy the space he needs ......his friends / lawyers / leaches are his worse enemy now .......why bloody bring this shit up in the media at this time FFS

Well the last paragraph is true

 

[Elite Crow]

That's hilarious coming from you. Particularly when you are actually judging ME. Hypocritical much?

How have I tried to judge you? All I've said is why don't we lay off judging him when we don't know shit?

Are you feeling guilty of something?

 

[LiquidCrow]

IVe know a few people whom I'd identify as Narcissistic personalities who have used attempted suicide as a means to an ends not being death.
Whilst these folk could well be suffering a mental illness of their own,they aren't the same as those suffering depression, bipolar, or any other disorder that leaves one prone to actual suicidal tendency.

Narcissistic PD and depression often go hand in hand, and they are particularly vulnerable to depressive episodes if their world implodes or things spiral out of control which has certainly been the case for Hird. When you have someone who relies heavily on the care, admiration and attention of others for their self-esteem, the classic "narcissistic injury" can result when these things are suddenly withdrawn. Typically this is followed by narcissistic rage which can manifest as impulsive and destructive behaviours including self medicating with alcohol, drugs or other self harming behaviour.

In Hird's case we could speculate that the "injury" could be due to his wife separating (a really common theme in NPD high flyer types with depression), or even Essendon FC having withdrawn their support. The rumour about the AFL blocking him working for SEN may have been the part of it too.

Regarding whether it was accidental, no one (other than those treating him) will really know unless details of what he actually took become public.

As for the media, I have to say what I've heard so far has been less than impressive. When I was speaking to one of our admissions team yesterday, it seemed that some media outlets had been prying around a number of the local private psych hospitals trying to find out where he had been admitted which is highly inappropriate.

 

[Moonwatcher]

We know plenty from Hird's own statements

You know his legal position.

 

[mistylake]

Anyone watching the NFL Wildcard playoffs on Sunday ?

And what do we have on the front page? Lawyer blaming AFL? Yep, let's keep this going - both media and Hird's side are going to milk this for everything.

Can you imagine the claptrap spewed out in the inevitable book/s.
Will be the greatest work of fiction since lord of the rings.

 

[mistylake]

Haven't checked, but is the official story that he tried to commit suicide?

If it didn't work it's likely a cry for help.
I hope he gets it.

 

[jenny61_99]

How have I tried to judge you? All I've said is why don't we lay off judging him when we don't know shit?

Are you feeling guilty of something?

Go back over your responses to me and tell me you weren't judging me for what I wrote.

As for judging Hird - it's what has happened since it became apparent that he oversaw a doping regime of his players. Hird had been a favourite of mine for a very long time. He came from my home town, and played footy at my local footy club. He was a brilliant, gutsy player. Loved everything about the man. When he declared he would take full responsibility, it was exactly what I expected from the man. The main tipping point for me on Hird (other than the hiring of the spin doctor and subsequent half truths and pedantry) was when it was revealed that he knew AOD9604 was an experimental drug, at the time undergoing clinical trials - and he knew this, because both he and Evans attended an investment presentation on this compound by the developing company. Despite knowing it was experimental, he allowed it to be injected into his players. That was when he lost me.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Go back over your responses to me and tell me you weren't judging me for what I wrote.

As for judging Hird - it's what has happened since it became apparent that he oversaw a doping regime of his players. Hird had been a favourite of mine for a very long time. He came from my home town, and played footy at my local footy club. He was a brilliant, gutsy player. Loved everything about the man. When he declared he would take full responsibility, it was exactly what I expected from the man. The main tipping point for me on Hird (other than the hiring of the spin doctor and subsequent half truths and pedantry) was when it was revealed that he knew AOD9604 was an experimental drug, at the time undergoing clinical trials - and he knew this, because both he and Evans attended an investment presentation on this compound by the developing company. Despite knowing it was experimental, he allowed it to be injected into his players. That was when he lost me.

When you say he attended the investment presentation, has there been any scuttle butt that Hird may have had a financial incentive in seeing AOD9604 be successful as an investor in it himself?

 

[jenny61_99]

When you say he attended the investment presentation, has there been any scuttle butt that Hird may have had a financial incentive in seeing AOD9604 be successful as an investor in it himself?

There were certainly whispers, but nothing was ever confirmed. It's easy to invest under a company name though.

 

[Elite Crow]

Go back over your responses to me and tell me you weren't judging me for what I wrote.

As for judging Hird - it's what has happened since it became apparent that he oversaw a doping regime of his players. Hird had been a favourite of mine for a very long time. He came from my home town, and played footy at my local footy club. He was a brilliant, gutsy player. Loved everything about the man. When he declared he would take full responsibility, it was exactly what I expected from the man. The main tipping point for me on Hird (other than the hiring of the spin doctor and subsequent half truths and pedantry) was when it was revealed that he knew AOD9604 was an experimental drug, at the time undergoing clinical trials - and he knew this, because both he and Evans attended an investment presentation on this compound by the developing company. Despite knowing it was experimental, he allowed it to be injected into his players. That was when he lost me.

Yeah I wasn't judging you.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Assuming this was an intentional overdose it could either be a genuine but failed suicide attempt, or an apparent suicide gesture where the person knows there is little risk of actual death (except by accident) such as a sub-lethal drug dose, and is basically attention seeking behaviour - also known as parasuicide. The risk of subsequent real suicide attempt at a later date in this group is quite high however, so its not totally benign.

Which one is this? Only James and his medical carers would know.

 

[jenny61_99]

Yeah I wasn't judging you.

You are right, I made a mistake confusing you with 1970Crow. Please accept my apology.

 

[Deaneus!]

You are right, I made a mistake confusing you with 1970Crow. Please accept my apology.

If only Sir James had said something along these lines a few years ago...

 

[Moonwatcher]

If only Sir James had said something along these lines a few years ago...

Would have come as quite a shock to 1970crow.

 

[subaru]

Don't be too certain this is all about the Essendope saga....

Heard a rumour 6 months ago ...heard another rumour that seems to verify 6 month old rumour.

 

[GreyCrow]

 

[Swooping Crow]

Don't be too certain this is all about the Essendope saga....

Heard a rumour 6 months ago ...heard another rumour that seems to verify 6 month old rumour.

Do tell...please

 

[1990crow]

Don't be too certain this is all about the Essendope saga....

Heard a rumour 6 months ago ...heard another rumour that seems to verify 6 month old rumour.

Drugs he gave to players and himself are going to give them all cancer?

 

[subaru]

Drugs he gave to players and himself are going to give them all cancer?

No
It's nothing to do with any of that. It is a rumour though .....

 

[GreyCrow]

No
It's nothing to do with any of that. It is a rumour though .....

subtle

GOAT or ??

 

[beartoo]

No
It's nothing to do with any of that. It is a rumour though .....

Cryptic...One of his kids isn't his?

 

[subaru]

I'm not saying anymore....