Analysis 2017 Non-Crows Discussion Thread - Part V for Vendetta

[MRB37]

Anyone know what this is about?

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I imagine it was to do with Mitch Cleary. Kane went back through all his Twitter mentions from over a week ago and talked shit to everyone who doubted the initial report Cleary made about the Crows players coming into camp out of shape.

 

[footy4ever]

The mere thought of watching 11 of your games makes me feel quite nauseous.

I'd watch them with glee if they were all Port Power Franchise losses via a goal after the siren to the opposition.

 

[kirky]

Adelaide - national

Port - international

And yet you sell 11 games for 6 - keep cheapening your product because it is inferior. Anyone with an ounce of marketing nous knows this.

 

[relapse]

The troll I would use is that you guys are so desperate to get people to sign up you have to sell it on financial appeal and not on the quality of the product.

The dollar.figure for that GA membership is not a.lot different to ours. But we don't advertise it as value for money.





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We also sell GA memberships primarily as a hill membership, while we do have a very small seating section in one bay the Riverbank Stand essentially our GA membership is an inferior product to our seated memberships hence the price, whereas for $200 Port are selling off 1/3 of the non Western Stand seating as budget tickets.

Their "waiting list" is another smoke and mirrors measure to make things look better than they really are.

They have six spare bays in the outer and over half of the top tiers of both the Southern and Eastern stands spare, there is more than enough free space to accommodate an increase in reserved seat memberships if the demand was actually there for them.

The fact that four years in and Port still have their seated memberships artificially capped and have not increased it shows just how little the demand is for additional reserved seat memberships. I also suspect the club has made an artificial shortage because they're scared that members may not be as inclined to retain their reserved seat membership if they aren't "limited".

 

[relapse]

Thomas' talk was pure spin.

Port would prefer sellouts on the back of mostly 11 game members like we do... If they could sell enough.

Can you imagine the Crows reducing their 11 game memberships so we can get more people attending? Same with the Weagles. Would be laughed at.

Yeah I agree, it's clearly bullshit.

It doesn't take a genius to realise that if the demand was there for extra reserved seating that there are more than enough free bays at AO for Port to offer more reserved seating to cater for the demand.

The reality is that the demand is not there and that's why Port continue to keep their reserved seat memberships artificially capped in order for them to retain their "exclusivity" to help with member retention.

 

[Elite Crow]

And yet you sell 11 games for 6 - keep cheapening your product because it is inferior. Anyone with an ounce of marketing nous knows this.

It’s because all the internationals can’t get there, otherwise they’d be playing at the G each week.

 

[Elite Crow]

We also sell GA memberships primarily as a hill membership, while we do have a very small seating section in one bay the Riverbank Stand essentially our GA membership is an inferior product to our seated memberships hence the price, whereas for $200 Port are selling off 1/3 of the non Western Stand seating as budget tickets.

Their "waiting list" is another smoke and mirrors measure to make things look better than they really are.

They have six spare bays in the outer and over half of the top tiers of both the Southern and Eastern stands spare, there is more than enough free space to accommodate an increase in reserved seat memberships if the demand was actually there for them.

The fact that four years in and Port still have their seated memberships artificially capped and have not increased it shows just how little the demand is for additional reserved seat memberships. I also suspect the club has made an artificial shortage because they're scared that members may not be as inclined to retain their reserved seat membership if they aren't "limited".

Just look at their declining crowd numbers.

 

[Elite Crow]

No, it's just advertising. If you bought 11 GA match day tickets, you'd end up paying around $400.

If you were actually selling out your games then that would be a good strategy, but you’re not. It’s clearly a way to halt your declining crowds by giving away games.

All that will happen is next year your crowds will be similar but you will be bringing in less cash.

 

[Sanders]

The idea is that 3 games as a taster is an attractive gateway to a 11 game subscription. This makes a lot of sense in theory

The problem isn’t that they’re not already sold out.

The problem is the proof in the pudding: crowds and 11 games aren’t going up

 

[subaru]

Anyone know what this is about?

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Don't know but I like it !

 

[Elite Crow]

Anyone know what this is about?

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It was Kane gloating how they broke the Crows training story.

 

[Rotayjay]

Who were all these bandwagoners in 2014? About a quarter of their crowd has vanished off the face of the earth.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Who were all these bandwagoners in 2014? About a quarter of their crowd has vanished off the face of the earth.

To be fair, the last couple of seasons at AAMI Stadium, there were a lot of empty Crows seats too

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It was Kane gloating how they broke the Crows training story.

What story ? .....same story & conversations at every club, every year ......if that's what he calls news breaking

 

[Janus]

If you were actually selling out your games then that would be a good strategy, but you’re not. It’s clearly a way to halt your declining crowds by giving away games.

All that will happen is next year your crowds will be similar but you will be bringing in less cash.

Nope. Our strategy has and always will be to reward those who buy memberships with a discounted rate over walk ups, but to leave at least some of the stadium free so people can go to a game, because that's how you continually grow a fan base.

Who were all these bandwagoners in 2014? About a quarter of their crowd has vanished off the face of the earth.

An average of 38,136 vs 44,364 is not a quarter. It's 14%, which is less than a 1/6th.

You've dropped from 48,046 to 46,650, or 3%, in the same time period. Which is about the standard rate of churn for crowds.

Is it concerning? It is when season ticket holders aren't turning up to games, which is why the club held a meeting to get to the bottom of why it was happening. And the conclusion was that it was a whole range of issues, but the main one is that when the team isn't winning consistently or the games aren't exciting, people feel they can give certain games a miss because 'they don't mean anything' and they've got other things to do.

And that comes from our inability to convert dominance in possession to actual scoreboard pressure. But we're fixing that.

To be fair, the last couple of seasons at AAMI Stadium, there were a lot of empty Crows seats too

Our average this year was better than your last four years at AAMI:

2010 - 35764
2011 - 35020
2012 - 36289
2013 - 33613

 

[Elite Crow]

Nope. Our strategy has and always will be to reward those who buy memberships with a discounted rate over walk ups, but to leave at least some of the stadium free so people can go to a game, because that's how you continually grow a fan base.



An average of 38,136 vs 44,364 is not a quarter. It's 14%, which is less than a 1/6th.

You've dropped from 48,046 to 46,650, or 3%, in the same time period. Which is about the standard rate of churn for crowds.

Is it concerning? It is when season ticket holders aren't turning up to games, which is why the club held a meeting to get to the bottom of why it was happening. And the conclusion was that it was a whole range of issues, but the main one is that when the team isn't winning consistently or the games aren't exciting, people feel they can give certain games a miss because 'they don't mean anything' and they've got other things to do.

And that comes from our inability to convert dominance in possession to actual scoreboard pressure. But we're fixing that.



Our average this year was better than your last four years at AAMI:

2010 - 35764
2011 - 35020
2012 - 36289
2013 - 33613

**** me drunk you come up with some shit.

Your strategy if that’s what it is, is a ****ing dumb one because it’s clearly not working. As you’ve pointed out, your crowds have declined 14%, or as you try and dismiss it as less than 1/6th, problem is that’s a significant amount.

For all the bullshit backslapping over your prematch entertainment, it’s mesnt nothing in getting people to the games.

This year you made finals and your crowds dropped again. It’s because going back to your original point, you’ve failed to increase your fan base. Artificially boosting your membership numbers hasn’t translated into bums on seats.

The real problem is, you just aren’t that well supported beyond your hardcore Port supporter because you put so many sane supporters off.

 

[GreyCrow]

but to leave at least some of the stadium free so people can go to a game, because that's how you continually grow a fan base

There is a difference in leaving some of the stadium free and letting tumbleweeds roll through

 

[Deaneus!]

Nope. Our strategy has and always will be... to leave at least some of the stadium free so people can go to a game

 

[subaru]

Nope. Our strategy has and always will be to reward those who buy memberships with a discounted rate over walk ups, but to leave at least some of the stadium free so people can go to a game, because that's how you continually grow a fan base.



An average of 38,136 vs 44,364 is not a quarter. It's 14%, which is less than a 1/6th.

You've dropped from 48,046 to 46,650, or 3%, in the same time period. Which is about the standard rate of churn for crowds.

Is it concerning? It is when season ticket holders aren't turning up to games, which is why the club held a meeting to get to the bottom of why it was happening. And the conclusion was that it was a whole range of issues, but the main one is that when the team isn't winning consistently or the games aren't exciting, people feel they can give certain games a miss because 'they don't mean anything' and they've got other things to do.

And that comes from our inability to convert dominance in possession to actual scoreboard pressure. But we're fixing that.



Our average this year was better than your last four years at AAMI:

2010 - 35764
2011 - 35020
2012 - 36289
2013 - 33613

Our average this year was 46650

Which was better than any of your averages at AAMI

I love it when Port flogs argue crowds, cups, Showdowns , finals records, AA players, Brownlow medalists, drunken rampage incidents, trading in rejects - in fact anything to do with actual footy and club culture.
Shit - I'm even up for a debate on cringeworthy songs !

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Is it concerning? It is when season ticket holders aren't turning up to games, which is why the club held a meeting to get to the bottom of why it was happening. And the conclusion was that it was a whole range of issues, but the main one is that when the team isn't winning consistently or the games aren't exciting, people feel they can give certain games a miss because 'they don't mean anything' and they've got other things to do.

You needed a meeting to work that out?

 

[GreyCrow]

You needed a meeting to work that out?

$75 entry

 

[Bay62]

There is a difference in leaving some of the stadium free and letting tumbleweeds roll through

Yeah, “leaving” some of the stadium free suggests they had a choice and are deliberately choosing to not take the money from all the people out there throwing their money at them, trying to buy memberships!

But ooh..Jack Watts will fix it. Assuming he gets anywhere near the ball

 

[Doctor B]

Yeah, “leaving” some of the stadium free suggests they had a choice and are deliberately choosing to not take the money from all the people out there throwing their money at them, trying to buy memberships!

But ooh..Jack Watts will fix it. Assuming he gets anywhere near the ball

At Adelaide Oval in home & away season games 2014 - 2017 we have had an extra 178,771 fans at our games.
It would be more, we sadly have played 1 less home game than Port, the missed game due to the 2015 passing of Phil Walsh.

That is not including their loss of revenue with free tickets to hear Koch speak, 11 for the price of 6 or Advertiser subscription freebie tickets.

Safe to say their marketing strategy isn't that great.

Funny that the Port troll is saying we have lost from peak attendance 3% traction to be down to a 2017 average of 46,650 when Port Powers have never had that as an average attendance in their 20 history.

 

[Roovolution]

It was Kane gloating how they broke the Crows training story.

Massive story. Some players come back with bigger than expected skin folds. Story up there with 'woman finds maggot in her KFC burger' (news at 5).

 

[Roovolution]

Nope. Our strategy has and always will be to reward those who buy memberships with a discounted rate over walk ups, but to leave at least some of the stadium free so people can go to a game, because that's how you continually grow a fan base.



An average of 38,136 vs 44,364 is not a quarter. It's 14%, which is less than a 1/6th.

You've dropped from 48,046 to 46,650, or 3%, in the same time period. Which is about the standard rate of churn for crowds.

Is it concerning? It is when season ticket holders aren't turning up to games, which is why the club held a meeting to get to the bottom of why it was happening. And the conclusion was that it was a whole range of issues, but the main one is that when the team isn't winning consistently or the games aren't exciting, people feel they can give certain games a miss because 'they don't mean anything' and they've got other things to do.

And that comes from our inability to convert dominance in possession to actual scoreboard pressure. But we're fixing that.



Our average this year was better than your last four years at AAMI:

2010 - 35764
2011 - 35020
2012 - 36289
2013 - 33613

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