2017 Trade and FA thread

[Gadzorks]

Has that Nathan Ablett feel about him.

Tons of ability but no drive or love for the game.

I think being a professional athlete is actually removed from the love of the game.

nowadays there is so much boring routine - do this Now, eat at that time, eat this proportion of carbs and protein. Pee into this bottle now. Dont go for a road run - injury risk. Do this exact gym set at theses exact weights. Run at exactly this pace. Fo this pilates that you hate. And dont do don't do don't do so many things

The modern professional athlete needs to love winning and love pushing their personal boundaries and ideally love the game. If you are iffy on the first 2 but love the game you are better off getting a job (or at josh's age study) and play football at club level with your friends. With talent you stay ahead of the pack so feel great and do not have all that mind numbing routine.

 

[MacMum]

Has that Nathan Ablett feel about him.

Tons of ability but no drive or love for the game.

Pretty close to this I suspect......love of the game though, just not the drive or ambition to push to the top level.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

I think being a professional athlete is actually removed from the love of the game.

nowadays there is so much boring routine - do this Now, eat at that time, eat this proportion of carbs and protein. Pee into this bottle now. Dont go for a road run - injury risk. Do this exact gym set at theses exact weights. Run at exactly this pace. Fo this pilates that you hate. And dont do don't do don't do so many things

The modern professional athlete needs to love winning and love pushing their personal boundaries and ideally love the game. If you are iffy on the first 2 but love the game you are better off getting a job (or at josh's age study) and play football at club level with your friends. With talent you stay ahead of the pack so feel great and do not have all that mind numbing routine.

You forgot here's half a million dollars.

 

[DanT7]

Would love Holmes at full forward

 

[jackess]

Would love Holmes at full forward

Why?

 

[SizeMatters]

Would love Holmes at full forward

who?

 

[cheekyLionsFan]

Would love Holmes at full forward

Sherlock... i guess he is tall enough

 

[SizeMatters]

Sherlock... i guess he is tall enough

I was thinking more along these lines.

 

[Davemonkey]

I was thinking more along these lines.
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I was thinking it but no way was I doing that Google Search at work.

 

[Gadzorks]

You forgot here's half a million dollars.

I'd do pretty much anything for that coin but teenagers haven't developed their consequential thinking yet.

I put jarred Brennan in the this category
Insanely talented but just didn't manage to get to the next level.

Also went to a talk by Jake Edwards recently - ex Carlton player who struggled with mental health problems throughout his career - he says that mental health issues are more common than we know. the $$ are fabulous but no guarantee that you will thrive in the professional arena.

 

[irel]

I was thinking more along these lines.
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Gees, he has a small finger.

 

[luthor]

Gees, he has a small finger.

Not his finger that he was "famous" for.

Was outsize in another area....or so I've heard.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Haven't had time to post since trade period ended. Like a few others I was pretty disappointed with our trades at the time, but as I've had a few days to digest it, it starts to sit alright with me.

IMO the success of this trade period will hinge on us having 3 live selections prior to matching a bid on Ballenden, that maybe through astute trading or just plain good luck. We could be looking at adding 5 x top 25 valued prospects this year and Hodgey, that's a pretty positive outcome.

Cameron I still think we over paid for, comes back to if that pick 18 stays a live selection of not. If it's only a 6 spot downgrade its no huge deal, but if we need to match with pick 18 it's changes that trade value to us significantly. My only real concern with that trade.

I was disappointed to trade Schache, I think at a minimum he's going to be a very serviceable forward, I also feel that we've arguably traded him while his value was at his lowest. Anyways we will move on, potentially means we could be looking at an all Academy spine in a few years time. Ballenden, Hipwood, Smith, Andrew and potentially adding Payne, great selling point for our academy. It will also offer us the chance to go to a more defensive running forward set up, which has become very popular recently.

Hodgey will be a great pick up, I watched the game were they miked him up and didn't take a heap of notice, but watching the re-run on the lions page, he's going to be invaluable to our young defense.

Draft time I'd be happy to walk away with Rayner as our first pick, adds to that more mobile forward line, with the hope he develops into a midfield option too. Then add to our midfield with our two later selections, a Worpel / Obrein combination could be a great balance. Match bids for Ballenden and Payne with our last 3 selections, taking a empty list space for a pre-season draft selection in Miles(unlikely) or Hartung. That would hopefully set the foundation for another decent off season

 

[M Malice]

Dom Fay, Michael Whiting and David Noble review our trade period.

 

[spotthedog1]

Dom Fay, Michael Whiting and David Noble review our trade period.

Stated they then traded 2/3rds of the points from the Schache trade to get pick 15.
Received 1185 for Schache, traded out 1668 for pick 15 (and 52, worth 246).

Either he is trying to deceive supporters, he screwed up the maths a long way, or other clubs renegotiated the deals after we'd reached an in principal agreement and we let them.

No matter how you spin it, he's screwed something there.

 

[Dom PC]

Stated they then traded 2/3rds of the points from the Schache trade to get pick 15.
Received 1185 for Schache, traded out 1668 for pick 15 (and 52, worth 246).

Either he is trying to deceive supporters, he screwed up the maths a long way, or other clubs renegotiated the deals after we'd reached an in principal agreement and we let them.

No matter how you spin it, he's screwed something there.

Obviously deceiving.

We essentially gave up Rockliff and Schache for pick 15. A complete **** up if you ask me!

 

[spotthedog1]

Dom Fay, Michael Whiting and David Noble review our trade period.

Also confirmed that we'll remove Cian Hanley from the list, and then get to re-add him again as a Category B rookie for another year. Have to wait til draft.

 

[Fatcat08]

Stated they then traded 2/3rds of the points from the Schache trade to get pick 15.
Received 1185 for Schache, traded out 1668 for pick 15 (and 52, worth 246).

Either he is trying to deceive supporters, he screwed up the maths a long way, or other clubs renegotiated the deals after we'd reached an in principal agreement and we let them.

No matter how you spin it, he's screwed something there.

Obviously deceiving.

We essentially gave up Rockliff and Schache for pick 15. A complete **** up if you ask me!

I haven't listened to the wording but if you're describing it like he's wording it then technically he's pretty much correct. pick 25 was about 2/3 of the amount we received for schache so we traded out 2/3 of that trade. I'm guessing what he doesn't say (or explains poorly) is that we also gave up pick 20 as well. So we paid about 2/3 of the schache deal to move from 20 to15 (with 52 coming back as well.)

 

[SRH17]

Obviously deceiving.

We essentially gave up Rockliff and Schache for pick 15. A complete **** up if you ask me!

But neither wanted to be here......

 

[Roylion]

Dom Fay, Michael Whiting and David Noble review our trade period.

Some interesting comments:
- Pick 12 was at one stage going be used to work up the order of the first round, when the Cameron deal looked like it was going to fall through. The Gibbs deal made the difference.
- Cameron fitted a need (pace, speed, defensive pressure) and it was felt that Cameron was going to help the club more than taking Pick 12 this year.
- No official offer for Pick 1, but were discussions with a couple of clubs. There was a considered limit by the Lions to where that pick would slip to in any deal and what they wanted in terms of a particular player. (e.g Pick 2 / Pick 3 last year)
- Not very close to trading for Matthew Lobbe at all - never even toured the Lions' facilities. Didn't go beyond a general discussion with Lobbe and management
- Lin Jong was thrown around as a hypothetical trade, but wasn't particularly serious
- Discussions with GWS about Matthew Kennedy
- Josh Schache return of 25 (756 points) and 40 (429 points) equals 1185 pts. Added to about the equivalent to Pick 13 (which is actually 1212 points) which they thought was reasonable. (Actually was Pick 14 - 1161)
- Club was disappointed they weren't able to get the best from Josh Schache
- Likened Josh Schache's situation to Brad Hill and Patrick Dangerfield in terms of wanting eventually to go home.
- Trying to build Queensland talent.
- Cian Hanley - have to drop him off the list and re-rookie as Cat. B rookie
- Looking at a delisted free agent is a possible option in the draft - although not particularly strong. Possibly in a couple of windows before the draft or a pre-season pick, depending on who gets shaken loose in club delistings.
- Would have liked another midfielder type player ala Matthew Kennedy in the trade period
- Next year likely to go after another 1-2 senior A-Grade players in the age group of 23-25 and then the following year address some specific needs.
- The three picks in the first round are likely to be midfielders

 

[Eons]

Also said they really liked what they saw from Hanley and Eagles in the back half of the year.

 

[Nunez]

Also said they really liked what they saw from Hanley and Eagles in the back half of the year.

I think once Eagles got AFL level fit and got his confidence up his ability shined. Could have a big impact next year in the neafl or even afl level if we need a third tall.

 

[Eons]

I think once Eagles got AFL level fit and got his confidence up his ability shined. Could have a big impact next year in the neafl or even afl level if we need a third tall.

Love to see him get some games next year. We need some more mature bodies in defence.

 

[FFB1]

But neither wanted to be here......

Exactly.

 

[dlanod]

Love to see him get some games next year. We need some more mature bodies in defence.

At some point our current guys are going to be the "mature bodies". Hopefully that's this year IMO...