2017 trade/draft thread

[Agent93]

These are the boys to snagged Mitchell for Pick 88

Yep. We traded a draft pick for an assistant coach.

 

[ziad]

Yep. We traded a draft pick for an assistant coach.

and our best player - huge value to my mind.

 

[kane249]

ah chee sanfl stats which he got runner up in the magarey medal ( sanfl BnF ) by 4 votes even though he missed 6 games . He also almost won the sanfl GF off his own boot in the final term last week View attachment 421189

Tree majors?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Yep. We traded a draft pick for an assistant coach.

A draft pick we didn't need seeing as we stopped picking in the 70s. And he played 22 games which would be significantly above the career average for a pick in the 80s.

But yeah, hopeless decision really.

 

[Ischenko]

Sorry for the intrusion - and if this has been asked previously - how would you lot feel about pick 21 and a player for Gaff? Our pick 4 seems slight overs, and he's worth far more than 21 alone. Cheers.

 

[amazingjoshy]

That's a bit of a fallacy given they traded pick 10 for the mini-draft pick to get Brad Crouch. You could also say since Crouch was a pick #2 he is therefore a top ten pick.

While I'm on a rant I hate AFL media's use of the term 'recycled player' as if someone who was traded for was thrown on the scrapheap and another club somehow did him a favour. If you're plucking a guy who played AFL previously from second-tier obscurity, sure that's recycling. But if you're signing a free agent who wants away from his other club, or trading for a player off his first contract then the club is simply recruiting another AFL player.

The relevance of the Sydney, Carlton, Richmond, and Adelaide references is that they've been attractive to players switching clubs, and generally those looking for more opportunity. This is where WCE fall down. For some reason Fremantle is more attractive to certain players. WCE tend to end up with the comfortable 'coming home' types. Redden is probably the only player in recent history looking to better his career with us

So one "top ten" pick then, doesn't make the point any less moot. Plus Lynch, Jacobs, Seedsman and Jenkins could all be considered "recycled", by your own definition. And although he was a good player, at the time Carlton didn't want to keep Eddie Betts.

Bar Eddie, they haven't really attracted any big names either, while they have lost a heap. Smart drafting and trading is what has them where they are. Best recruiters in the business imo and the perfect example of "rebuilding" being a complete myth.

 

[DJMac]

Sorry for the intrusion - and if this has been asked previously - how would you lot feel about pick 21 and a player for Gaff? Our pick 4 seems slight overs, and he's worth far more than 21 alone. Cheers.

I don't think pick 4 is overs. Would be about right I think. Draft picks are always a risk but Gaff is in his prime and is a very safe bet.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Sorry for the intrusion - and if this has been asked previously - how would you lot feel about pick 21 and a player for Gaff? Our pick 4 seems slight overs, and he's worth far more than 21 alone. Cheers.

no

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Sorry for the intrusion - and if this has been asked previously - how would you lot feel about pick 21 and a player for Gaff? Our pick 4 seems slight overs, and he's worth far more than 21 alone. Cheers.

Depends on the player but off the top of my head I can't think of a Roos player I'd do that deal for.

How about pick 4 for Gaff and 30?

 

[Agent93]

and our best player - huge value to my mind.

Possibly. But the one playing year we got out of him didn't win us a flag, so the trade for 88 is hardly something to attribute to our recruiters as a genius move. We basically became the first club to trade for an assistant coach.

If we look into what-if scenarios, if Mitchell didn't play this season for us we might have had a twofold difference in that Hawthorn may have been better and we may have been worse. If it was worth 2 wins either way we'd be holding pick 7 right now instead of 13. Maybe that gets us a look at a Jack Higgins, maybe we trade down to pick 13 and pick up something else, like Acres or the Saints second round pick. Maybe Mitchell was coming to coach here anyway - the job was obviously offered to him.

So Mitchell gets us to a couple of finals, and from a business perspective that's great. But from a football perspective maybe that's cost us a look at a better young player. Did players like Duggan and Sheed benefit enormously from Mitchell's presence? Outwardly, probably not. It didn't appear like they made strides across this year. So maybe 2016 pick 88 had a detrimental effect on the club's quest for a flag, and was actually a bad recruitment move.

 

[sey666]

Sorry for the intrusion - and if this has been asked previously - how would you lot feel about pick 21 and a player for Gaff? Our pick 4 seems slight overs, and he's worth far more than 21 alone. Cheers.

If it is Cunnington + 21 then may be.

 

[new breed]

As long as Sam Gibson is part of any trade !

 

[squashface]

Sorry for the intrusion - and if this has been asked previously - how would you lot feel about pick 21 and a player for Gaff? Our pick 4 seems slight overs, and he's worth far more than 21 alone. Cheers.

Yuck, no thanks.

If you were trading for a contracted Andrew Gaff then pick 4 would have to be involved

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Possibly. But the one playing year we got out of him didn't win us a flag, so the trade for 88 is hardly something to attribute to our recruiters as a genius move. We basically became the first club to trade for an assistant coach.

If we look into what-if scenarios, if Mitchell didn't play this season for us we might have had a twofold difference in that Hawthorn may have been better and we may have been worse. If it was worth 2 wins either way we'd be holding pick 7 right now instead of 13. Maybe that gets us a look at a Jack Higgins, maybe we trade down to pick 13 and pick up something else, like Acres or the Saints second round pick. Maybe Mitchell was coming to coach here anyway - the job was obviously offered to him.

So Mitchell gets us to a couple of finals, and from a business perspective that's great. But from a football perspective maybe that's cost us a look at a better young player. Did players like Duggan and Sheed benefit enormously from Mitchell's presence? Outwardly, probably not. It didn't appear like they made strides across this year. So maybe 2016 pick 88 had a detrimental effect on the club's quest for a flag, and was actually a bad recruitment move.

I think all of sheed Duggan and redden played their best year for the club . I think it was priddis gaff and shuey who all played worse than 2016

 

[Agent93]

Plus Lynch, Jacobs, Seedsman and Jenkins could all be considered "recycled", by your own definition

No, they were all young AFL players who moved for opportunity, with the Crows actively seeking them out. Lynch in particular was considered a steal from the Saint a the time. They were not languishing in the VFL/SANFL/WAFL after being delisted, and being recovered by another club a la Menegola, or Mitch Brown at Essendon.

But yeah, hopeless decision really.

See above for the opportunity cost rationale. Pick 88 is great for 22 games, but in the long run those 22 games didn't really help us, and may have impeded us.

 

[Xsess]

If Gaff wants to leave then we need to facilitate it in advance of his eligibility for free agency. However he's about the last bloke we need to lose from our list. Seriously. Compounding our lack of midfield run.

 

[WCE_phil]

Saw a rumour that WB were going to reach with pick 9 to take Oscar Allen ..Does this mean he is on Wce radar at Pick 13 ?

They would be idiots to do so. Had a great championships but his Champs have been an anomaly in relation to his form for the last 2 seasons both before the champs and afterwards.

 

[Godfather32]

A draft pick we didn't need seeing as we stopped picking in the 70s. And he played 22 games which would be significantly above the career average for a pick in the 80s.

But yeah, hopeless decision really.

We actually picked after our traded pick to Hawthorn, it was just for the Waterman F/S pick though. Hawthorn even picked again after the pick they got for Mitchell.

 

[Agent93]

I think all of sheed Duggan and redden played their best year for the club . I think it was priddis gaff and shuey who all played worse than 2016

I'd agree with that, but is it due to natural progression or sharing time in the team with Mitchell?

That goes for all players. If Mitchell's presence made Sheed, Duggan and Redden better did it also have a detrimental effect on Gaff and Shuey?

 

[Godfather32]

As long as Sam Gibson is part of any trade !

We definitely need to top up our 30+ year olds

 

[Godfather32]

I'd agree with that, but is it due to natural progression or sharing time in the team with Mitchell?

That goes for all players. If Mitchell's presence made Sheed, Duggan and Redden better did it also have a detrimental effect on Gaff and Shuey?

Did it make them better? Seemed to me that it made Sheed and Redden play out of position a fair bit, Duggan barely got any time in the middle with him and most of the rest of the midfield had to spend their energy running more defensively to make up for Mitchell and Priddis' lack of speed. I don't doubt the Mitchell's experience and knowledge would have helped our guys immensely, but as for actually in games I don't think he helped the young mids that much at all. Which isn't his fault, it's mostly how the team was picked for the year and how we approached the season in general.

 

[amazingjoshy]

No, they were all young AFL players who moved for opportunity, with the Crows actively seeking them out. Lynch in particular was considered a steal from the Saint a the time. They were not languishing in the VFL/SANFL/WAFL after being delisted, and being recovered by another club a la Menegola, or Mitch Brown at Essendon.

Fair enough I didn't realise you meant delisted players, though imo "recycled" is a very adequate term for anyone who isn't getting an opportunity at one club and moves for more game time. Which is exactly the case with Ah Chee should he move.

 

[pantskyle]

Don't recall Waldron having the best hit rate.

Known snake.

 

[Shmiddy15]

I think trading Mitchell for pick 88 was a bargain, and would still think so even if he never played a single game for us. Having his footy nouce around the club is one of the few things that we have to be genuinely excited about.

 

[Godfather32]

I think trading Mitchell for pick 88 was a bargain, and would still think so even if he never played a single game for us. Having his footy nouce around the club is one of the few things that we have to be genuinely excited about.

I think it was just a way for us to get him without stuffing around with the draft etc