2017 trade/draft thread

[Falco]

LeCras should have retired. If he isn't depth next year and transitioning to coaching then we're the new North Melbourne. No to Fasolo.

As much as I would love to say that Gaff + 13 to the Saints for 7 + 8 is possible, I don't think they would take it unless we threw something else in to even it. That probably looks like our second and their third. Pick 7 + 8 should then be used on the best available midfielders. Not flankers with the potential to be midfielders; we absolutely need pure midfielders who can play AFL next year.

If we lose our second rounder and are fortunate enough to have a brace of thirds from trades out (Schofield, Masten) then we can use these picks to hopefully be in a position to draft Ryan, Kelly, and other outside players/flankers with speed and skills. There are some good midfielders around with talent in the WAFL too, like Guelfi, Starcevich, Banfield, Ameduri, Ainsworth, Patmore and Narrier. After that we need ruckmen. Scott Jones from EP is a good fit. The other guy I'd like to see drafted is Ben Miller from Subiaco. He's a ruck/fwd who can develop on the list for a couple of years.

Our approach to the RD should return to drafting talent from the WAFL which needs some development to come along, in concert with heavy investment in better development coaches. We got Cox, Priddis, Fletcher all off the rookie list. It proves that we can use it well on to identify rough diamonds; as long as we don't use it on some other club's dross.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

We failed to have options to go smaller defence on Saturday as neither Cole nor Nelson would have been match ready to replace either Barrass or Mackenzie. That alone highlights our how our development and match committee are not delivering. We continued to back in the same old same old yet the game is heading for greater preference going smaller and faster in defence. How long will this continue without us adapting?

What will that mean for trading/drafting? We have had a culture where old guys like LeCras get a game because "they have credits in the bank" or "you have to back them in". I have no huge problems extending LeCras by another year BUT he has to earn his spot in the side and face consequences when he is not delivering.

Likewise with Cripps - how did he have that time out early this year and come back into the top side without earning it? For most of this year he looked like he was carrying something and was huffing and puffing way too much. He was rushed back in and should have come back via WAFL.

This comes back to Vozzo. He has List Management, Match Committee and Development all underneath his control. Unless the parts are working in conjunction, you don't get the most out of your players. It seemed like Simpson only picked Partington because of local media and supporter pressure. His excuse was that Partington still had things to work on. So did most of the team and so did Judd when he was first selected.

Has the club laid down a fundamental pillar saying we must play finals every year. I for one would have preferred to have got more games into Partington, Karpany, Lamb and Mutimer this year than to have given Cripps, LeCras, Hutching, Masten and Wellingham more games when not earning their spots. It was pretty obvious mid way through the year that we were way off the pace to be at the pointy end of challenging yet we persisted with the same old. And any statement that we got good finals experience into our youth is kidding themselves. There were only 3 players on Saturday that we have drafted as kids since Vozzo took control of that portfolio in December 2010.

 

[KERRPOW]

I dunno, the team without best 25 players in Priddis, Mitchell and Petrie, then add Butler and the few other players who will get the chop, yeah it will be a new looking list.

Both Wellingham and Masten are depth, LeCras will either be best 25 or depth.

I can understand where Simmo is coming, from. You dont want a mass exodus of experienced players, you want to stagger their exits. This is what Geelong had to do post 2011.

the difference is Geelong won 3 flags in 5 years and had to manage exits of champion players. West Coast for some reason want to hold onto 2 depth players and an ex-A grade forward.

I say go the deep cull, why keep crabs on your list. (i would keep lecras on a significantly reduced contract, and with an understanding that he is selected on form alone, not past exploits).

 

[Milenko]

Mark "a BIT of fire" LeCras - please retire immediately

 

[pantskyle]

I can understand where Simmo is coming, from. You dont want a mass exodus of experienced players, you want to stagger their exits. This is what Geelong had to do post 2011.

the difference is Geelong won 3 flags in 5 years and had to manage exits of champion players. West Coast for some reason want to hold onto 2 depth players and an ex-A grade forward.

I say go the deep cull, why keep crabs on your list. (i would keep lecras on a significantly reduced contract, and with an understanding that he is selected on form alone, not past exploits).

The depth is for players that are crab like, that might fill a role if required, if they weren't crab like, they wouldn't be depth. If LeCras signs on he will 100% be on a reduced deal.

With any team with a few years of success when they lose a player they usually get something nice in return to re-invest in the team.

 

[Obeanie1]

Another wacky Obeanie1 trade ! where do you find the time

At home crook yesterday and today.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

That article Fasolo wrote for the players association was confronting. He basically said he was crying before and after every training session and hated having to leave the house.

I feel bad for him but I wouldn't want him. If we do get him anything more than a token pick 88 would be overs.

 

[new breed]

Giants keen on Cody Ninyette from Perth ....Mzungui expected to return and see his career out at Perth Demons .

 

[FKASC]

Giants keen on Cody Ninyette from Perth ....Mzungui expected to return and see his career out at Perth Demons .

Carbine Chaos There goes any chance you blokes had of winning any games next year...

 

[pablo disco bar]

Haha they can keep him then

Fasolo is probs worth around pick 25 were not all flogs mate....just barrack for collingwood

 

[pablo disco bar]

That article Fasolo wrote for the players association was confronting. He basically said he was crying before and after every training session and hated having to leave the house.

I feel bad for him but I wouldn't want him. If we do get him anything more than a token pick 88 would be overs.

Ridiculous his a 40 goal forward

 

[FKASC]

There were only 3 players on Saturday that we have drafted as kids since Vozzo took control of that portfolio in December 2010.

That's absolutely mindblowing.

Honestly, there is some weird disconnect inside the club. I swear the drafting team and the rest of the club must not speak to each other. They're like working for different companies or something. You get recruiters drafting kids that the selection committee clearly don't rate. The development staff don't seem to have a plan for the kids that the recruiters pick.

Surely changes have to be made internally - 3 draftees from 7 years of drafts has to be seen as a failure.

 

[Agent93]

Tom Lamb don't know much about him, what do you guys think about him? what is his best position?

Faces east a lot.

3rd tall forward type. Inconsistant at WAFL level, has kicked bags, has also done nothing the game after. The club has preferred playing random second or 3rd rucks in front of him, hence the 'wants to move for more opportunity'.

 

[pantskyle]

Ridiculous his a 40 goal forward

Who is fighting a battle.

Whether it is fair or not it does reduce his value. We could trade him in and the next week he could decide he can't do it anymore and retire, it's a risk.

 

[Lolbert]

That's absolutely mindblowing.

Honestly, there is some weird disconnect inside the club. I swear the drafting team and the rest of the club must not speak to each other. They're like working for different companies or something. You get recruiters drafting kids that the selection committee clearly don't rate. The development staff don't seem to have a plan for the kids that the recruiters pick.

Surely changes have to be made internally - 3 draftees from 7 years of drafts has to be seen as a failure.

It is a failure isn't it! I'm interested to see what happens next year. Simmo has tried to make the most of our premiership window which is fair but I do have concerns he's not in it for the long game. Hopefully willing to work through a couple down years, blooding kids and building depth for the good of the club. I've got no problems spending a couple years outside the 8 if we can build a really strong under 25 group of players

 

[Bob Fossil]

We should shop Lycett around, he is probably the only chip we have that could net something of value and not be counter productive.

Gaff too if we can get overs.

People are going to lose their minds when we draft kpp/kpf's with our first picks this year.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Lecras contract probably won't be sorted to post trade period, since it hasn't been sorted yet. If we can land Fasolo imagine he'll not be back

 

[nameless]

We should shop Lycett around, he is probably the only chip we have that could net something of value and not be counter productive.

Gaff too if we can get overs.

People are going to lose their minds when we draft kpp/kpf's with our first picks this year.

Lycett is probably at his lowest trade value right now.
Rather we hold him, Vardy may have gotten through the year, but he still has a long history of injuries.

 

[Coaster2012]

As would I, which suggests its overs...

not necessarily. Saints need some midfielders that aren't kids, and we need some kids to start the rebuild, so pick 8 suits us. I think Gaff is of more value to them than pick 8. But more valuable to us.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Ridiculous his a 40 goal forward

In what year did he kick 40 goals?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Ridiculous his a 40 goal forward

What year did he kick 40?

 

[Obeanie1]

Ridiculous his a 40 goal forward

He's a good player sure.

But what discount do you allow for due to the risks associated with his mental condition?

It is a risk you would have to agree?

This risk plus the fact the Eagles desperately need to focus on fixing the midfield simply leads to the Pies not getting offerred full value for a player like Fasolo.

 

[pantskyle]

Fasolo has never kicked more than 30 goals in a season, also hasn't completed a season since 2012 where he played 24 games.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Availability is a vital attribute when you only have 22 games in a season. Faz just hasn't shown the ability to stay on the park. He could play the next few years without missing a game and kick 35+ goals each year, but there's no track record to suggest this

 

[Agent93]

Surely changes have to be made internally - 3 draftees from 7 years of drafts has to be seen as a failure.

6 drafts (2011 - 2016). You'd expect at least your first rounder, and generally another to make it, so 3 out of 12 is pretty rubbish.

Vozzo presided over the worst off-season in club history: 2011. Drafted Newman, McInnes, and elevated Hams. Lost Ebert, and got reamed by Port in the trade. Traded in Josh Hill. Took Blayne Wilson in the pre-season draft. The 2011 crop should be around the 23-24 mark currently and starting to shoulder the load for the club. This followed by 2012's trades meant we have a 2 year gap in experience of players that should be hitting their prime now. What we do have is one player who is nearing 30 and has been dropped to the WAFL, and another who has struggled through this year. The draftees have been delisted except McInnes, who might be pushed on, and Hutchings (drafted at 20), who is fringe at best.

Those 2 years are what's put us in the current situation. The only person on the senior list in the 23-24 age bracket is Elliot Yeo, meaning we have 1 bloke pushing into his prime years at the club right now.