2017 trade/draft thread

[run2dmax]

Well that just proves the AFL player ratings system is flawed or you didnt read right.

No way is Brendan Ah chee or even his brother is ranked the same level as Darling.

It's just one measure which is fairly successful at predicting results of games. Take whatever value you want from it. It's obviously a small data set and his ratings aren't mind blowing. He'd have to be given the right role to succeed here.

Also, Callum had 3 good games (round 5, 6 and 7), but otherwise he's been well below average.

 

[Suma Magic]

Ah Chee would have next to no trade value.

I wouldn't want to give up our third for him.

I think port would let him go for a 4th rounder. He simply isn't getting a look in there.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Ah Chee would have next to no trade value.

I wouldn't want to give up our third for him.

I think port would let him go for a 4th rounder. He simply isn't getting a look in there.

Would we trade a 23 year old player on our list who came 2nd in the Sandover despite playing 6 less games than everyone else for a 4th rounder?

Think Tunners, posters wanted to keep him despite barely getting out on the park, let alone dominating the WAFL and in a position we have very few decent players in

 

[JackieMoon33]

He is a ******* who knows **** all.

He is a failed chief executive best known for crippling a club by being a cheat.

A bit of a short sighted view on the guy. He was used as a scape goat by the NRL, when a few of the other big clubs were doing worse things than the storm and nothing was done about it.


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[Suma Magic]

Would we trade a 23 year old player on our list who came 2nd in the Sandover despite playing 6 less games than everyone else for a 4th rounder?

Think Tunners, posters wanted to keep him despite barely getting out on the park, let alone dominating the WAFL and in a position we have very few decent players in

When has a player with that many years on the list and with that few games played been traded for a top 50 pick?

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Are we really going to delist the guy who has this taste in fashion?



Large McInnes will be missed when he's gone.

 

[Obeanie1]

Would we trade a 23 year old player on our list who came 2nd in the Sandover despite playing 6 less games than everyone else for a 4th rounder?

Think Tunners, posters wanted to keep him despite barely getting out on the park, let alone dominating the WAFL and in a position we have very few decent players in

Priddis won the Sandover and we used a rookie pick on him.

 

[lewigie]

I think what gets lost with Naitanui's jumping and tapping is that his handballing is actually quite a weapon. Imagine he and Ah Chee in tandem at stoppages.

I'd be quite happy with Ah Chee in the middle instead of Redden next year.

Yeah LOL okay, you'd rather a player that averages 14 disposals over his entire career - 16 disposals this year, only played 5 games, than Redden who played 19 games this year and is going to start centre square round one.

Nuffie. Absolutely no clue.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Yeah LOL okay, you'd rather a player that averages 14 disposals over his entire career - 16 disposals this year, only played 5 games, than Redden who played 19 games this year and is going to start centre square round one.

Nuffie. Absolutely no clue.

Thanks for the mature discussion.

I rate Redden lower than others. That's okay, he's a decent player. We should be looking at upgrading his spot if we can.

Well established that Ah Chee is regularly played out of position. I don't think his current stats paint an accurate picture of his abilities.

Would be keen to hear the thoughts of Noobz0r on Ah Chee's potential as a mid.

 

[lewigie]

Ah Chee hype seems to be building - well atleast from the West Australian anyway.

Still can't believe LeCras is going around again.. he will retire at around round 5 I reckon and completely waste a list spot

 

[Noobz0r]

Thanks for the mature discussion.

I rate Redden lower than others. That's okay, he's a decent player. We should be looking at upgrading his spot if we can.

Well established that Ah Chee is regularly played out of position. I don't think his current stats paint an accurate picture of his abilities.

Would be keen to hear the thoughts of Noobz0r on Ah Chee's potential as a mid.

Only because you know it's helpful

For the benefit of the clearly very knowledgeable poster you're arguing with, I do not want to lose Ah Chee.

He came a close second in the Margaery Medal (despite playing semi-regular AFL games) playing as a midfielder resting forward. When brought into the AFL side he was played as a forward and barely saw any midfield time, which effected his numbers. He was BOG for us last weekend in the SANFL grand final - watch the last quarter if you want to see him in full flight. At his best he is potentially Josh Kennedy of the Swans. He won't be as consistently damaging at the contest as Kennedy - but he will kick more goals.

With Priddis and Mitchell gone, Ah Chee definitely fills a need for you guys. I hope he stays with us, though if we land Rocky he is even further down the midfield pecking order.

He'll be a better recruit than Redden, and will cost a lot less.

 

[Bender_]

Thanks for the mature discussion.

I rate Redden lower than others. That's okay, he's a decent player. We should be looking at upgrading his spot if we can.

Well established that Ah Chee is regularly played out of position. I don't think his current stats paint an accurate picture of his abilities.

Would be keen to hear the thoughts of Noobz0r on Ah Chee's potential as a mid.

Just going by West Coast's track record and playing guys out of position, you think if we picked up Ah Chee he'd be played in the guts from the get go?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Just going by West Coast's track record and playing guys out of position, you think if we picked up Ah Chee he'd be played in the guts from the get go?

No, I highly doubt it!

 

[Noobz0r]

Just going by West Coast's track record and playing guys out of position, you think if we picked up Ah Chee he'd be played in the guts from the get go?

He's a forward at AFL level for us, so I reckon you're sweet

 

[eagle eyed]

He's a forward at AFL level for us, so I reckon you're sweet

Cool so we can play him at half back, release Yeo to a forward pocket and then play Darling in the midfield.


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[squashface]

He'll be a better recruit than Redden, and will cost a lot less.

Based on what? You just said he only plays FWD when at AFL level so his only level of midfield exposure is in the SANFL which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Time and time again we see players that can dominate the state league whilst cannot have an impact at AFL level.

See: Chris Masten.

Whereas Redden has proven he is capable in the midfield at AFL level which is something Ah Chee has never done.

 

[avishka5]

Thanks for the mature discussion.

I rate Redden lower than others. That's okay, he's a decent player. We should be looking at upgrading his spot if we can.

Well established that Ah Chee is regularly played out of position. I don't think his current stats paint an accurate picture of his abilities.

Would be keen to hear the thoughts of Noobz0r on Ah Chee's potential as a mid.

upgrading Reddens spot is by actually going after a decent on baller or highly rated kid. I wouldn't classify Ah chee in both those categories.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

upgrading Reddens spot is by actually going after a decent on baller or highly rated kid. I wouldn't classify Ah chee in both those categories.

He's a talented bloke played out of position. No reason why he can't be a good on baller if played there.

 

[Bender_]

Time and time again we see players that can dominate the state league whilst cannot have an impact at AFL level.

See: Chris Masten.

Dunno about that. Masten was producing the same in the WAFL as he was in the AFL; lots of touches for **** all impact.

 

[Noobz0r]

Based on what? You just said he only plays FWD when at AFL level so his only level of midfield exposure is in the SANFL which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Time and time again we see players that can dominate the state league whilst cannot have an impact at AFL level.

See: Chris Masten.

Whereas Redden has proven he is capable in the midfield at AFL level which is something Ah Chee has never done.

This argument is going to go around in circles seeing as you used Masten as an example. One has spent his entire career in the midfield, the other hasn't been given a proper crack.

Redden and Ah Chee are also very different footballers so that's a non-issue too. Ah Chee fills the void left by Priddis / Mitchell, he and Redden can play in the same midfield. And I think he'll surprise you.

And given you'll be losing a 3rd round pick max on this, I can't see why posters are getting this upset.

 

[avishka5]

Only because you know it's helpful

For the benefit of the clearly very knowledgeable poster you're arguing with, I do not want to lose Ah Chee.

He came a close second in the Margaery Medal (despite playing semi-regular AFL games) playing as a midfielder resting forward. When brought into the AFL side he was played as a forward and barely saw any midfield time, which effected his numbers. He was BOG for us last weekend in the SANFL grand final - watch the last quarter if you want to see him in full flight. At his best he is potentially Josh Kennedy of the Swans. He won't be as consistently damaging at the contest as Kennedy - but he will kick more goals.

With Priddis and Mitchell gone, Ah Chee definitely fills a need for you guys. I hope he stays with us, though if we land Rocky he is even further down the midfield pecking order.

He'll be a better recruit than Redden, and will cost a lot less.

Yeah nah. JPK is very good at kicking goals. Has kicked +15 goals last 3 years (20 last season) and hasn't kicked less than ten goals since the Hawthorn days. He also doesn't spend too much time up forward like danger, bont, fyfe and martin do.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Based on what? You just said he only plays FWD when at AFL level so his only level of midfield exposure is in the SANFL which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Time and time again we see players that can dominate the state league whilst cannot have an impact at AFL level.

See: Chris Masten.

Whereas Redden has proven he is capable in the midfield at AFL level which is something Ah Chee has never done.

I guess you've been looking at Mastens stats rather than actually watching him play? He in nowhere near dominating the WAFL

 

[lewigie]

If he was good enough he would force his way into the team and play midfield minutes - SPP came in round 1 and played basically every game, there's a reason as to why he has only played 5 games and spent the year in the SANFL.

He might be a good player for whoever he plays for next year, whether that be us or another team, but Redden is easily the more impactful player at AFL level and it's a bit ridiculous to think that a player that has played 5 games will upseat a starting square player of ours. Redden has been playing out of position at HFF for a lot of the year and has copped flak for a lack of impact, but has looked a lot better when played in the centre square. Now we're going to trade in a player with the exact same issues but with a lot less prior AFL form and he's going to be the better player.. it's wishful thinking and 'grass is greener' thinking. It's silly.

He could be Josh Kennedy or he could be Dom Sheed or he could be Jamie MacNamara

 

[Bender_]

This argument is going to go around in circles seeing as you used Masten as an example. One has spent his entire career in the midfield, the other hasn't been given a proper crack.

Redden and Ah Chee are also very different footballers so that's a non-issue too. Ah Chee fills the void left by Priddis / Mitchell, he and Redden can play in the same midfield. And I think he'll surprise you.

And given you'll be losing a 3rd round pick max on this, I can't see why posters are getting this upset.

Thanks for your input nonetheless, it's appreciated.

I think most people view trading for depth as a waste, which is what Ah Chee could end up being. Especially when in the position WCE are in, where we need to be trading for top end talent.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Thanks for your input nonetheless, it's appreciated.

I think most people view trading for depth as a waste, which is what Ah Chee could end up being. Especially when in the position WCE are in, where we need to be trading for top end talent.

I would have no hesitation trading out 3rd pick, 40+???, for a player like Ah Chee. Its highly likely whoever we would have picked up in the draft at that level would have come in and struggle at even WAFL level.