List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 2

[Rors]

It's impossible to say with any kind of certainty that one player will be better than another on stats though. He might ba as good, better or worse but stats from the exact same age won't show anything other than a rough guide. He looks very good but to me he's always going to be a diamond encrusted Andrew Gaff more than a Paddy Dangerfield. He's going to be at least a very good player you would imagine regardless. I think he hasn't earned the right to be held in the same conversation yet or earn the same pay as the stars but hopefully if we take him he will get there.

FMD. You need to watch more GWS games if you think he's a diamond encrusted Gaff. He gets more contested ball than anyone in our team. In fact, he would walk into our team as our best player.

Not sure if it's been said, but Kelly is going better than Shiel & Treloar were 2 years ago when everyone on here was wanting to sell the farm for them & pay them a mint. Well, Josh Kelly is better now than both those players were at the time so it should give an idea of how good he is & what he's worth long term.

Pay him a mint. Don't give a shit what we pay him, we have $2.9mil to spend

Edit: I agree with SS, Kelly is like an injury free Daniel Wells with better endurance & gut running capabilities. I'd pay a mint for that

 

[StCicatriz]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/sh...n/news-story/bf0e205d8d6133d7c3f14865eeb3b432

bold. gambling on future stocks. sounds like the club is very confident he will be a good player, so looking him in now, if they believe that to be the case, would be smart. get him at a low

 

[VDS66]

Im not arguing with you, go shout at someone else.

Wasn't shouting... THIS IS SHOUTING YOU GRUMPY CAMPAIGNER.

 

[StCicatriz]

i dont care what the option is, but we cnat be going into next season with the same ruck dilema we have had this year, where its a developing billy longer and an absolutely shite tom hickey with nothing below it

we need a good functioning ruck outfit for our finals push. i think we have to cut hickey loose and find a ready made option to give billy some competition

 

[STK2020]

Wasn't shouting... THIS IS SHOUTING YOU GRUMPY CAMPAIGNER.

 

[Glen Buterol]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/sh...n/news-story/bf0e205d8d6133d7c3f14865eeb3b432

bold. gambling on future stocks. sounds like the club is very confident he will be a good player, so looking him in now, if they believe that to be the case, would be smart. get him at a low

No surprise after the retirement of sir Roo

 

[Joffaboy]

If we followed it to a tee then where are our A graders, so that means we didn't or we ****ed up and should rethink what we are doing.

Refresh my memory. Pelchan said in his outline in August 2013 to members in a face to face that we were after how many A graders and where from?

He said we would draft and trade and from 2016 onwards we would look at FA.

Can't remember anything about A grade players being spelt out.

Maybe I am wrong. Could you help me out?

 

[tbarker]

Pretty sure Goldstein is on 800k(happy to be proven wrong) which would almost certainly put a line through him

Sorry mate. Just read this. I think your mail is strong.


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[plugger66]

i dont care what the option is, but we cnat be going into next season with the same ruck dilema we have had this year, where its a developing billy longer and an absolutely shite tom hickey with nothing below it

we need a good functioning ruck outfit for our finals push. i think we have to cut hickey loose and find a ready made option to give billy some competition

Reverse last season. You sound like Hickey has had 5 bad years.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

We have not followed it to a tee.

Not hysterical, someone said two first rounders wouldn't be enough to.

How has it not been followed to a tee?

I was there the night Pelchen set out the plan & it has actually unfolded better than they had planned to this point.


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[VDS66]

i dont care what the option is, but we cnat be going into next season with the same ruck dilema we have had this year, where its a developing billy longer and an absolutely shite tom hickey with nothing below it

we need a good functioning ruck outfit for our finals push. i think we have to cut hickey loose and find a ready made option to give billy some competition

You don't think Hickey will come good or improve?

By hedging on Billy, the club has put itself in a tricky situation by forcing Tom to look elsewhere.

Anyway, Goldy won't happen. Better hope that Billy improves.

 

[Mowman]

Sorry mate. Just read this. I think your mail is strong.


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I thought it was reported that when he signed he last contract it was $800k a year

 

[VDS66]

Refresh my memory. Pelchan said in his outline in August 2013 to members in a face to face that we were after how many A graders and where from?

He said we would draft and trade and from 2016 onwards we would look at FA.

Can't remember anything about A grade players being spelt out.

Maybe I am wrong. Could you help me out?

I think it was something like 12 first round picks over 4 years...

Billings
Paddy
Dmac
Acres
Gresh
Freezer
Steele?
Billy

Who am I missing?

You can throw Jake in there as well.

 

[Rors]

I'd compare him more to a Daniel Wells type, and that's not a bad thing if we are talking Daniel Wells on a good day.

An injury free Daniel Wells for 10-12 years..... Where the **** do we sign!?!?

 

[Rors]

I think it was something like 12 first round picks over 4 years...

Billings
Paddy
Dmac
Acres
Gresh
Freezer
Steele?
Billy

Who am I missing?

You can throw Jake in there as well.

Goddard
Dunstan

You can remove the ? next to Steele's name as GWS matched Norf's pick 15 for him & thus took him with their next pick which was around 23-24 in 2014. Technically, if the current bid system was in in 2014, he'd be a pick 15 & yes that's a 1st rounder

Fwiw, Koby & Jake were back to back picks in 2009 - picks 23 & 24 respectively. Both Early/mid 2nd rounders

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

If we followed it to a tee then where are our A graders, so that means we didn't or we ****ed up and should rethink what we are doing.

Are you serious? There was absolutely no mention of A Grade talent, the strategy spoke of additional 1st round picks (which was achieved through the trading of McEvoy & then Stanley (that got us an early 2nd rounder & we were lucky enough to get a kid rated much higher in Goddard)

You're either mistaken or being misleading on purpose to fit your argument.

You can argue the kids chosen are not yet A Graders but that is an argument about development, not going away from a plan.

And all those players selected are still works in progress. All have the talent to be A Grade players IMO.





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[Joffaboy]

So all first round picks are A graders?
Dont think so.

So there was never any mention of A graders, just something made up to further an argument?

OK. Thanks for confirming.

 

[Connorn99]

Caydn Beetham anyone?

 

[Joffaboy]

Caydn Beetham anyone?

We used 13 on Lee [emoji30] [emoji30] [emoji30] [emoji30]

 

[Rors]

So all first round picks are A graders?
Dont think so.

So there was never any mention of A graders, just something made up to further an argument?

OK. Thanks for confirming.

Exactly. Blokes aren't A-graders after 2,3,4 seasons.... May as well delist & start again then

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

So all first round picks are A graders?
Dont think so.

So there was never any mention of A graders, just something made up to further an argument?

OK. Thanks for confirming.

Confirmed.

Increase 1st round picks by 50% over a 3 year period. This was a bit confusing & misquoted but achieved by trading Ben & Rhys & then continued on with the addition of JC, Steele, etc


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[Louis Slungpue]

Caydn Beetham anyone?

marcus bottomsmelly?? terrence boyd?? spuds galore picked with first rounders

 

[sammm]

It's interesting isn't it. Whilst North's latest offer hits the headlines the second it drops, virtually nothing of substance has been attributed to us. I'm enjoying our quiet approach.

Only if it means we are doing something.

If not .....

 

[luca77]

We used 13 on Lee [emoji30] [emoji30] [emoji30] [emoji30]

Wasn't it 12? If I remember the players taken by other clubs at or after that pick weren't so great...the only thing that makes me feel a bit better about it. Still painful to think about it. What a waste...

 

[Yawkey way]

I think it was something like 12 first round picks over 4 years...

Billings
Paddy
Dmac
Acres
Gresh
Freezer
Steele?
Billy

Who am I missing?

You can throw Jake in there as well.

And grasping at straws with a couple of those, fmd freezer and dmac but apparently were right on track.